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I don't know that anything is as futile and hopeless as trying provide "perspective", ie, critical thought, reasonable analysis, etc, to sports fans. Esp during FA, when every team's actions are on full display.

Professional sports is entertainment--and fans expect to be entertained. The way you entertain them in Free Agency Period is to sign players--the bigger the name, the better. Other teams are doing it. And every fan has an opinion and with message boards, every fan has a forum to voice said opinion.

Having said that, it is true that occasionally the "FIRE" screamers are correct. Sometimes being calm and thoughtful doesn't bring more accurate analysis than does the belligerent.

So in spite of the futility and hopelessness that surrounds the Fins and this time of year, I am still going to try to make an offering in that regard.

Our FA effort and spending is clearly measured. The huge question that lingers over the franchise is , as another poster put it, "Can Tua play?" No one knows. Not even the Dolphins. IMO, our approach to FA is based on that conjecture.

We have brought in some guys we expect to play and make an impact:
Will Fuller
Adam Butler
Malcolm Brown

Some we hope will play an important role:
Matt Palardy
Jacoby Brissett
Matt Skura

We brought in (or brought back) some fliers--guys equivalent to UDFA:
Robert Foster
Justin Coleman
Adam Pankey

We also made a trade for Mckinney, expected to make a huge contribution and for Wilson, which is basically a kick the tires experiment.

I am actually intrigued by the LB decisions.
Vince Biegel was one of my favorite players while at Wisconsin and was one of the very few bright spots on the defense in 2019. If he's healthy, he could be a surprise contributor.
Brennan Scarlett has a great name, is a smart player, and just basically does dirty work. Nothing flashy, nothing sexy...but he plays well.
Duke Riley, I actually am excited about. He is a typical LSU LB...he can run and he makes plays. He'll be great on STs and he can blitz. He is a high motor guy.

We didn't commit much money long term in the FA Cycle. I would imagine (though I have absolutely no way to know--so I am totally guessing) we will be making some in-season extensions on some of these 1 year contracts if we see the kind of production we expect.

And once (if) the FO is convinced that Tua is the guy, we'll start seeing some long term plans building this offense around him. It'll probably actually start in the draft--because regardless of who is the long term QB of the team, we need better talent around him.
 
I agree. Someone else commented that no team is ever in cap hell to which I responded "ask New Orleans". He said, and I'm paraphrasing, if fifteen years of being in contention for a Super Bowl is cap hell then sign me up. I pointed out that Miami isn't at that stage as a franchise yet. Where you keep restructuring contracts and pushing money into future years when you are not even sure if you have a QB that can play yet.
 
GeauxFins2020 said:
I don't know that anything is as futile and hopeless as trying provide "perspective", ie, critical thought, reasonable analysis, etc, to sports fans. Esp during FA, when every team's actions are on full display.

Professional sports is entertainment--and fans expect to be entertained. The way you entertain them in Free Agency Period is to sign players--the bigger the name, the better. Other teams are doing it. And every fan has an opinion and with message boards, every fan has a forum to voice said opinion.

Having said that, it is true that occasionally the "FIRE" screamers are correct. Sometimes being calm and thoughtful doesn't bring more accurate analysis than does the belligerent.

So in spite of the futility and hopelessness that surrounds the Fins and this time of year, I am still going to try to make an offering in that regard.

Our FA effort and spending is clearly measured. The huge question that lingers over the franchise is , as another poster put it, "Can Tua play?" No one knows. Not even the Dolphins. IMO, our approach to FA is based on that conjecture.

We have brought in some guys we expect to play and make an impact:
Will Fuller
Adam Butler
Malcolm Brown

Some we hope will play an important role:
Matt Palardy
Jacoby Brissett
Matt Skura

We brought in (or brought back) some fliers--guys equivalent to UDFA:
Robert Foster
Justin Coleman
Adam Pankey

We also made a trade for Mckinney, expected to make a huge contribution and for Wilson, which is basically a kick the tires experiment.

I am actually intrigued by the LB decisions.
Vince Biegel was one of my favorite players while at Wisconsin and was one of the very few bright spots on the defense in 2019. If he's healthy, he could be a surprise contributor.
Brennan Scarlett has a great name, is a smart player, and just basically does dirty work. Nothing flashy, nothing sexy...but he plays well.
Duke Riley, I actually am excited about. He is a typical LSU LB...he can run and he makes plays. He'll be great on STs and he can blitz. He is a high motor guy.

We didn't commit much money long term in the FA Cycle. I would imagine (though I have absolutely no way to know--so I am totally guessing) we will be making some in-season extensions on some of these 1 year contracts if we see the kind of production we expect.

And once (if) the FO is convinced that Tua is the guy, we'll start seeing some long term plans building this offense around him. It'll probably actually start in the draft--because regardless of who is the long term QB of the team, we need better talent around him.
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For the most part I agree with you. I don’t agree with your premise of “can Tua play?” He clearly can play and showed that with a 6-3 record despite most things not in his favor. He’s also shown inconsistencies which is expected from a rookie. There were so many variables that went against him during the season that’s it not even a conversation at this point. Once he has a full camp, an oline that has time to gel, gets 100% healthy, which he clearly wasn’t last year, and a full arsenal of offensive weapons then we will have enough data to judge him accurately. In the meantime we should all avoid generalizations. Look at the rookie stats of QBs like R Wilson, D Brees and
 
dolphinheel said:
For the most part I agree with you. I don’t agree with your premise of “can Tua play?” He clearly can play and showed that with a 6-3 record despite most things not in his favor. He’s also shown inconsistencies which is expected from a rookie. There were so many variables that went against him during the season that’s it not even a conversation at this point. Once he has a full camp, an oline that has time to gel, gets 100% healthy, which he clearly wasn’t last year, and a full arsenal of offensive weapons then we will have enough data to judge him accurately. In the meantime we should all avoid generalizations. Look at the rookie stats of QBs like R Wilson, D Brees and
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Well, I agree with you "for the most part", as well.

I disagree with the unequivocal statement that Tua "can play". We (most of us anyway) hope that's true, but it isn't a "given" as of today.

You, yourself, follow up that statement of fact by saying we don't yet have enough data to make a definitive conclusion.

Do you not see the inconsistentency here?
 
Some good points on this thread. I'd just say that Tua has the talent but you still need to put it all together out on the field. one thing I know is that the effort is there. He's gonna give you everything he has. As for free agency, I like what we did for the most part but again, time will tell. We're on to the draft and I'm hoping we get the right players for this team.
 
Mach2 said:
Well, I agree with you "for the most part", as well.

I disagree with the unequivocal statement that Tua "can play". We (most of us anyway) hope that's true, but it isn't a "given" as of today.

You, yourself, follow up that statement of fact by saying we don't yet have enough data to make a definitive conclusion.

Do you not see the inconsistentency here?
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You can’t on one hand make an unequivocal statement like “can Tua play?” and then ignore all the major factors which affected his play. I said he was inconsistent which is a far bridge from your contention, “can he play?” He clearly can. He had some fantastic performances that showed his incredible potential and some meh performances which is expected from a rookie, but he is my QB and as Miami Dolphins fans we should all support him during his growing pains. If the FO does him justice and allows him to get healthy, gets him some weapons and puts him in a system that highlights his strengths then he will succeed. I have no doubt. Before judging another person that I don’t even know, I always ask myself would I judge myself in the same way after one year on the job? I wouldn’t. Critics judge themselves on their intentions and judge others on their actions. Kinda hypocritical don’t you think?
 
Danny said:
Some good points on this thread. I'd just say that Tua has the talent but you still need to put it all together out on the field. one thing I know is that the effort is there. He's gonna give you everything he has. As for free agency, I like what we did for the most part but again, time will tell. We're on to the draft and I'm hoping we get the right players for this team.
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I say doubt him at your own peril. The kid is a winner and will rise like the Phoenix this year. I also trust Flo and Grier to do whatever necessary to put him in a position to succeed. If they don’t they should be out the door too.
 
Good post. I would just like to add something to it. The allure of Tua Tagovailoa has the entire fan base excited for obvious reasons. For me personally and I think most fans feel similarly we want to surround Tua with more than enough weapons to be able to set him up for success. If you look at the current young QBs that are succeeding they have one major thing in common (multiple high level playmakers). Kyler Murray, Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen are the obvious ones. But even someone like Baker Mayfield, the browns have done an excellent job getting him good RBs, TEs, OL, WRs and their supplementing those upgrades with a combination of good draft selections and big FA moves. This is why the Will Fuller V signing was so important to me. We needed a proven top level talent in the WR room to combine with a top prospect. We invested a lot of picks into building OL last year hopefully we get our Center this year. The teams who don’t help their Rookie QB out typically fail, unless you have a generational talent at QB who can make other guys better (very very rare). I understand “winning FA” doesn’t equal success. But when you have a top young QB prospect the entire focus should be developing him and supporting him because it’s probably the most vital piece of long term success in the NFL
 
dolphinheel said:
I say doubt him at your own peril. The kid is a winner and will rise like the Phoenix this year. I also trust Flo and Grier to do whatever necessary to put him in a position to succeed. If they don’t they should be out the door too.
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Oh I'm rooting for him. He's working his butt off. As far as trusting Grier/Flores getting him what he needs. I'll tell you how I feel after the draft.
 
Swollcolb said:
Good post. I would just like to add something to it. The allure of Tua Tagovailoa has the entire fan base excited for obvious reasons. For me personally and I think most fans feel similarly we want to surround Tua with more than enough weapons to be able to set him up for success. If you look at the current young QBs that are succeeding they have one major thing in common (multiple high level playmakers). Kyler Murray, Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen are the obvious ones. But even someone like Baker Mayfield, the browns have done an excellent job getting him good RBs, TEs, OL, WRs and their supplementing those upgrades with a combination of good draft selections and big FA moves. This is why the Will Fuller V signing was so important to me. We needed a proven top level talent in the WR room to combine with a top prospect. We invested a lot of picks into building OL last year hopefully we get our Center this year. The teams who don’t help their Rookie QB out typically fail, unless you have a generational talent at QB who can make other guys better (very very rare). I understand “winning FA” doesn’t equal success. But when you have a top young QB prospect the entire focus should be developing him and supporting him because it’s probably the most vital piece of long term success in the NFL
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We can’t get cute or overthink this draft.
 
dolphinheel said:
You can’t on one hand make an unequivocal statement like “can Tua play?” and then ignore all the major factors which affected his play. I said he was inconsistent which is a far bridge from your contention, “can he play?” He clearly can. He had some fantastic performances that showed his incredible potential and some meh performances which is expected from a rookie, but he is my QB and as Miami Dolphins fans we should all support him during his growing pains. If the FO does him justice and allows him to get healthy, gets him some weapons and puts him in a system that highlights his strengths then he will succeed. I have no doubt. Before judging another person that I don’t even know, I always ask myself would I judge myself in the same way after one year on the job? I wouldn’t. Critics judge themselves on their intentions and judge others on their actions. Kinda hypocritical don’t you think?
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1) you can make the statement, but it is inconsistent.

2) where did I ignore/dismiss the "factors"? I didn't address them, because they may, or may not, be the determining factor.

3) "fantastic performances and incredible potential" is a complete overstatement for any nonbiased observer.

4) It is incumbant upon the organization to build a strong and complete team, irrespective of the name on the back of the QBs jersey.

5) I'm first a Dolphin fan and supporter. If you think that means never questioning, or making fair observations of players or decisions, I just plain disagree. Unless you have never been critical of any player, that's a hypocritical statement from the beginning.

6) I wasn't judging the poster. I was pointing out the inconsistentency of the post. I have made inconsistent statements, both here, and in life. If they are pointed out to me, I don't take it personally. I look at them constructively, and try to solve the internal discrepancy.
 
I do wonder if Miami went 'Quantity over Quality' in this FA. We acquired many players.
But, what if we outbid everyone for Linsley and skipped getting Fuller?
Right now, our hand is forced to spend pricey draft capital on a Center instead of in WR. We Can draft both, but this is the best WR draft I can remember sans Randy Moss.
Maybe Skura returns to pre-2020 form and makes it moot, but, with bad knee injuries, as a center, his shelf-life could be scary-short.
Another thing is that we failed to get a legit DE that can beat OT's straight up. And this is a terrible draft for DEs.
Did we Really need a FA WR instead of a quality veteran DE?
 
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