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Face It: The 2012 season is hopeless

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By trading Brandon Marshall, you abandoned any hope of salvaging the 2012 season. With him, you could've upgraded some positions and worked with your current roster to present a team capable of winning 9-10 games, allowing some hope of playoff contention. Now that you no longer have a true #1 receiver, Pro-Bowl MVP player, your team, no matter what you do in the draft will be worse than it was last September. Even if you got a guy like Blackmon, which we won't, he would take at least a year to be as good as Marshall even if he is capable of ever being that good. Miami traded him for a draft pick that becomes an NFL starter only 30% of the time. Well, 2 of them. 2 players that in all likelihood will not be NFL starting caliber players.

Therefore, the only sober way to look at this draft is to understand that it's a first phase of building a team capable of winning a superbowl, not just scraping for 9-10 wins. Pick up some pieces now, suck this season, and pick up some more, be 8-8 in 2013, then be in position to be the best team in football in 2014.
This is where we're at. I wish it wasn't so, but it really is.
 
I didn't know Brandon Marshall made us a playoff contending team?

Build that bridge and get over it already.
 
iamtiv said:
By trading Brandon Marshall, you abandoned any hope of salvaging the 2012 season. With him, you could've upgraded some positions and worked with your current roster to present a team capable of winning 9-10 games, allowing some hope of playoff contention. Now that you no longer have a true #1 receiver, Pro-Bowl MVP player, your team, no matter what you do in the draft will be worse than it was last September. Even if you got a guy like Blackmon, which we won't, he would take at least a year to be as good as Marshall even if he is capable of ever being that good. Miami traded him for a draft pick that becomes an NFL starter only 30% of the time. Well, 2 of them. 2 players that in all likelihood will not be NFL starting caliber players.

Therefore, the only sober way to look at this draft is to understand that it's a first phase of building a team capable of winning a superbowl, not just scraping for 9-10 wins. Pick up some pieces now, suck this season, and pick up some more, be 8-8 in 2013, then be in position to be the best team in football in 2014.
This is where we're at. I wish it wasn't so, but it really is.
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a True "#1" and "MVP" type player doesnt drop 5-7 TDs including at least 2 that probably change the outcome of the game, or catch 9 total TDs in 2 whole seasons, lead the league in drops more than once, scream and whine at his QB no matter who it is, and the term "pro-bowl" type player needs to stop being used, with news today that the Pro-Bowl is likely to be cancelled, let alone the players selected usually turn it down and players make it on previous rep and nobody cares about it, the value or calling a player a "pro-bowl" type guy no longer has value and hasnt for a few years now

oh and Marshall "lead" this team to a 7-9 and 6-10 record, so i doubt he makes or breaks "salvaging" anything
 
I love how people are already casting this season as "hopeless" in April, pre-draft, and without knowing what our new head coach will bring to the table. :lol:
 
We went 7-9 then 6-10 with him on the team. Off the field incidents including stabbings and bar fights, on the field problems like personal fouls and dropping touchdowns (a few of which could have won us games) - led the damn league in drops - his impact on the team is overrated. I'm not saying we won't miss his production, but he's no game changer.
 
Trading Marshall created one more whole. Having Marshall would've meant one less hole to fill. Miami could've put forth a better team in 2012 than they had in 2011. By having to fill one extra, monster (true NFL #1 WRs are rare commodities) whole, your whole roster is setback. Even if other positions are improved upon, the net product will be a draw at best, it not worse.

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'one more HOLE', is what I meant. Not 'whole'.
 
Marshall was not a great reciever!!! As stated above he dropped a lot of catchable passes and was not a game changer.
On a different note I hope we take a pass rusher 1st and wait until next year for qb - Trade up for Barkley USC.
 
I hear ya, without Marshall we are no longer SB contenders.....
 
and there is my incentive to up the min post limit to 50 before starting a thread in the main forum.
 
Trust me I didn't lose any sleep over us trading Brandon Marshall. He was never fast, but he managed to forget how to catch/fight for the ball while he was here. He didn't do us much good to be honest, not to mention he couldn't stay on his feet or out of trouble. Don't be suprised to see Miami possibly use some of those picks they gained to do something this draft.
 
Even as a decoy on a lot of plays Marshall's impact was felt. At least he kept the Darrelle Revis-es of the league busy. Even with as many drops as he had, he still caught more than anyone else and was in position to catch a ton of them. Miami has NO ONE to scare the opponent other than Reggie Bush, who teams can now stop with 8-9 guys in the box because there's ZERO WRS on Miami's roster that can consistently beat man-coverage, especially against a team's #1CB. Marshall made me pull my hair out on many occasions, but when Miami did win, when Matt Moore had success, Marshall was the biggest reason. Miami is freakin' destitute at WR right now. They are NOWHERE at the position at this point. I'm not sure what you guys don't understand about that.
In the 2nd half of the season, Moore and Marshall had it goin' on. There was a spark. I was excited about this season. That ended when Marshall was traded.
 
I don't think we need Marshall in a WCO and I would go as far to say that I don't think Marshall would even fit comfortably in a WCO offense scheme. Stone hands and sloppy routes, good riddance and hears to a new beginning. Too bad not everyone's as optimistic as you :rolleyes2:
 
iamtiv said:
Trading Marshall created one more whole. Having Marshall would've meant one less hole to fill. Miami could've put forth a better team in 2012 than they had in 2011. By having to fill one extra, monster (true NFL #1 WRs are rare commodities) whole, your whole roster is setback. Even if other positions are improved upon, the net product will be a draw at best, it not worse.

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'one more HOLE', is what I meant. Not 'whole'.
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first off its "hole" to fill, 2nd again Marshall was not a "#1 WR" that you keep referring to, and you dont just keep a player or get a player just to "fill a hole" thats what Miami did with Marc Colombo and he was one of if not the WORST linemen in the entire NFL, in a West Coast a "true #1 WR" is not needed, you need crisp routes with YAC speed and acceleration, Marshall is a big "go up and get it" possesion type WR who was always too busy trying to make rediculous Matrix esc moves and cut backs instead of just staying in stride and running

your second part about the net product being a draw at best if not worse, before Miami traded for Marshall their record was 7-9.......

their record after getting Marshall......7-9

the next year with Marshall.......6-10

so discrediting your statment the Dolphins had a "draw at best" after getting Marshall, and then got "worse" after still having Marshall
 
FinsNCanes said:
Trust me I didn't lose any sleep over us trading Brandon Marshall. He was never fast, but he managed to forget how to catch/fight for the ball while he was here. He didn't do us much good to be honest, not to mention he couldn't stay on his feet or out of trouble. Don't be suprised to see Miami possibly use some of those picks they gained to do something this draft.
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who can forget that night he gave up a pick 6 to revis.

[video=youtube;9tBl2-XLZU4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tBl2-XLZU4[/video]

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iamtiv said:
Even as a decoy on a lot of plays Marshall's impact was felt. At least he kept the Darrelle Revis-es of the league busy. Even with as many drops as he had, he still caught more than anyone else and was in position to catch a ton of them. Miami has NO ONE to scare the opponent other than Reggie Bush, who teams can now stop with 8-9 guys in the box because there's ZERO WRS on Miami's roster that can consistently beat man-coverage, especially against a team's #1CB. Marshall made me pull my hair out on many occasions, but when Miami did win, when Matt Moore had success, Marshall was the biggest reason. Miami is freakin' destitute at WR right now. They are NOWHERE at the position at this point. I'm not sure what you guys don't understand about that.
In the 2nd half of the season, Moore and Marshall had it goin' on. There was a spark. I was excited about this season. That ended when Marshall was traded.
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he sure did keep revis busy! running back the other way.
 
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