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FACT!: Defense, and West Coast Offense plays in and wins Championships

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So, fellow Dolphin fans, you think that bringing in an offensive coordinator to be the next head coach will be the answer? You think that since 5 defensive head coaches in a row have failed to win the Dolphins a Super Bowl in 33 years, that going in the opposite direction will bring success? Think again.

Former top offensive coordinators, Coslet, Norv Turner, Mularkey, Marchibroda, Kotite, Morningweg, Mariucci, Gilbride, Chris Palmer, and Ray Handley, failed to become successful head coaches. Even more importantly they failed to improve the offenses of their teams from the head coaching position. Most have returned to have the same success as offensive coordinators.

The only offensive coordinators who seem to have success as head coaches, and who actually improve the offense of their new teams come from a west coast background. Holmgren, Reid, Shanahan, Gruden.

Take a look at the past 25 Super Bowls

Defensive Head Coaches are 10-6
West Coast Offense Head Coaches are 9-5
Non West Coast Offense Head Coaches are 5-7
(The five winners are Billick, Vermeil, and Gibbs x3 while the losers are Martz, Fassel, Gibbs, and Reeves x4)
Non-Specific 1-7
 Mike Ditka 1-0
Former CFL HC and NFL ST's coach Marv Levy 0-4
Bobby Ross (SD) 0-1
Raymond Berry (NE) 0-1
Forrest Gregg (CIN) 0-1

If you don't like history, just take a look at this year's playoffs.

12 Teams
2 West Coast Offense Head Coaches (SEA, PHI)
3 Non-West Offense Head Coaches (BAL, NO, NYG)
7 Defensive Coaches (SD, KC, NYJ, NE, CHI, IND, DAL)

If you want to improve the Dolphins offense, hire an offensive coordinator to be an offensive coordinator. But hire a defensive guy as the head coach.

Or, make the switch to a west coast offense.
 
I don't think the West Coast offense has much to do with having success, we all know that defense wins championships but not all by itself. you need offense to go with it, doesn't matter if it's west coast or not but you need offense and we have none.
 
Or we could just be one of the few non defensive HC-ed teams that don't run a WCO? Why change? Your stats show that there is no clear cut winner, they are all represented. Then take into fact who's getting the talent, strength of schedule, compare starting QBs, RBs, defensive rankings, etc.
 
Nice post. I have mentioned the same thing about the West Coast offense. I think this team needs a new offensive direction, and changing the offensive style completely could be the answer. We have the players to fit that type of game plan to. Ronnie is great at catching the ball and could be the focal point. It also would benefit culpepper since his weakness is reading the defense.
That said, I dont think it matters so much if you bring in an offensive coordinator for head coach. I think the problem is that once a team hires an offensive minded coach they think they can slack off and not hire a strong offensive coordinator. Thats not true. If you hire an offensive minded coach you still need a good coordinator to run your offense, allowing the coach to focus on all aspects of the team rather than just his specialty.
 
Whats your point? Ive never had a problem with a defensive minded head coach, but i dont think Miami will ever see a west coast offense. Good post btw, looks like you did alot of research.
 
When was the last time a true west coast offense won a superbowl in the salary cap era? Lets look back.

Steelers: No
Patriots: No
Patriots: No
Tampa: Did they even have an offense period?
Patriots: No
Baltimore: No
Rams: No
Broncos: More so than the others (not a 100% true west coast though)
Broncos: See above
Packers: No

Soooo in the salary cap era when has a true west coast offense won a Superbowl?
 
Alex44 said:
When was the last time a true west coast offense won a superbowl in the salary cap era? Lets look back.

Steelers: No
Patriots: No
Patriots: No
Tampa: Did they even have an offense period?
Patriots: No
Baltimore: No
Rams: No
Broncos: More so than the others (not a 100% true west coast though)
Broncos: See above
Packers: No

Soooo in the salary cap era when has a true west coast offense won a Superbowl?
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Shanahan, Gruden, Holmgren. West Coast Offense.

I'm actually arguing for a defensive head coach. They have more success.
 
His'nBeatYour'n said:
So, fellow Dolphin fans, you think that bringing in an offensive coordinator to be the next head coach will be the answer? You think that since 5 defensive head coaches in a row have failed to win the Dolphins a Super Bowl in 33 years, that going in the opposite direction will bring success? Think again.

Former top offensive coordinators, Coslet, Norv Turner, Mularkey, Marchibroda, Kotite, Morningweg, Mariucci, Gilbride, Chris Palmer, and Ray Handley, failed to become successful head coaches. Even more importantly they failed to improve the offenses of their teams from the head coaching position. Most have returned to have the same success as offensive coordinators.

The only offensive coordinators who seem to have success as head coaches, and who actually improve the offense of their new teams come from a west coast background. Holmgren, Reid, Shanahan, Gruden.

Take a look at the past 25 Super Bowls

Defensive Head Coaches are 10-6
West Coast Offense Head Coaches are 9-5
Non West Coast Offense Head Coaches are 5-7
(The five winners are Billick, Vermeil, and Gibbs x3 while the losers are Martz, Fassel, Gibbs, and Reeves x4)
Non-Specific 1-7
Mike Ditka 1-0
Former CFL HC and NFL ST's coach Marv Levy 0-4
Bobby Ross (SD) 0-1
Raymond Berry (NE) 0-1
Forrest Gregg (CIN) 0-1

If you don't like history, just take a look at this year's playoffs.

12 Teams
2 West Coast Offense Head Coaches (SEA, PHI)
3 Non-West Offense Head Coaches (BAL, NO, NYG)
7 Defensive Coaches (SD, KC, NYJ, NE, CHI, IND, DAL)

If you want to improve the Dolphins offense, hire an offensive coordinator to be an offensive coordinator. But hire a defensive guy as the head coach.

Or, make the switch to a west coast offense.
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Last time i checked Mariucci had a couple rings...Yeah he couldnt win in Detroit, but i dont think anyone will win with Millen around...
 
As i would like to see a change and get an offensive guy in here...Defense does win championships...Except for the greatest show on turf that is...But Even if we do bring in an offensive guy and he is successful, with our number 4 ranked defense, just think about what that woulddo for our team...We would be deadly
 
Alex44 said:
When was the last time a true west coast offense won a superbowl in the salary cap era? Lets look back.

Steelers: No
Patriots: No
Patriots: No
Tampa: Did they even have an offense period?
Patriots: No
Baltimore: No
Rams: No
Broncos: More so than the others (not a 100% true west coast though)
Broncos: See above
Packers: No

Soooo in the salary cap era when has a true west coast offense won a Superbowl?
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Actually, the Packers did run a west coast offense, and Denver did as well, the primary difference with Denver's superbowl teams being that they had an all world running back in Terrel davis who with that O-line allowed them to throw in a power running game which isn't usually a staple in the West Coast system. As a matter of fact, the whole catalyst for Bill Walsh in coming up with that system was because at the time he didn't have a running game, so had to throw short passes and lots of slants - low risk, but acted as running plays.

Of Course, later on they had Roger Craig and they could mix and match as well "they" being the 49ers of course.
 
bigmiamifan said:
Or we could just be one of the few non defensive HC-ed teams that don't run a WCO? Why change? Your stats show that there is no clear cut winner, they are all represented. Then take into fact who's getting the talent, strength of schedule, compare starting QBs, RBs, defensive rankings, etc.
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nick1 said:
I don't think the West Coast offense has much to do with having success, we all know that defense wins championships but not all by itself. you need offense to go with it, doesn't matter if it's west coast or not but you need offense and we have none.
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Okay, we have none. I agree. I am simply talking about how being a great offensive coordinator translates to being a head coach. And if you look at the past 25 Super Bowls, 19 of the 25 winners were either a defensive minded head coach, or one that came from the Bill Walsh coaching tree. 2 of the other 6, Ditka and Billick, had the greatest defenses of all time. Which leaves Joe Gibbs' 3 Super Bowls and Dick Vermeil as the only non west-coast non defensive minded, or great defense having coaches to win a Super Bowl in the last 25 years.
 
Alex44 said:
When was the last time a true west coast offense won a superbowl in the salary cap era? Lets look back.

Steelers: No
Patriots: No
Patriots: No
Tampa: Did they even have an offense period?
Patriots: No
Baltimore: No
Rams: No
Broncos: More so than the others (not a 100% true west coast though)
Broncos: See above
Packers: No

Soooo in the salary cap era when has a true west coast offense won a Superbowl?
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The Packers, Tampa, Broncos run the WCO. One thing about the WCO lots of team college and pro run it making free agent cheap and plentiful.
 
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