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FACT! Tannehill doesn't struggle with the deep ball

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Yay! Another "deep ball" thread. This site has been crying out for one.

Except I thought this one was interesting.

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PFF just looked at simple throw percentages at certain depths and simple completion percentages. SO, the numbers shouldn't really be up for significant debate as they're not the usual subjective PFF evaluations.

While Tannehill certainly threw a below average number of deep balls, his completion rate was above NFL average in balls of 21-30 yards, below average with 30+ and above average on 40+.

Small number of throws, so small sample size, and he wasn't significantly above average in either of his positive categories. But, statistically, he was no worse than the average NFL QB overall.

I believe his trajectory and placement on many of his throws isn't receiver-friendly and this gets exacerbated as you go deeper. So even if he has a completion it mightn't be a good deep ball. But, again for emphasis, it's probably not the most accurate stick to beat him with. I prefer to argue he can't lead receivers well, can't hit them in stride, can't drop in the back shoulder fade well. Which all leads to receivers losing momentum, yards and breakaway opportunities. Hopefully, the new corps will mask that or he'll improve his placement and touch.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/05/29/qbs-in-focus-deep-passing-2/

Apols if this was posted before.
 
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I will wait to judge his deep ball when he has a functioning quality line for a year.
 
Fin Thirteen said:
Disclaimer: This post may contain the letters: PFF.

PFF just looked at simple throw percentages at certain depths and simple completion percentages. SO, the numbers shouldn't really be up for significant debate as they're not the usual subjective PFF evaluations.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/05/29/qbs-in-focus-deep-passing-2/
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Anything is up for debate. This is a forum.

I don't know how they could rate Ryan Tannehill better with +2.3 than Drew Brees with +2.0 on passes 21-30 yards.

Ryan completed 6 of 22 passes for 182 yards and 1 TD and 0 Int for 76.7 passer rating on passes thrown 21-30 yards.
Drew Brees completed 12 of 27 for 329 yards and 2 TD's and 2 Int's for 83.7 passer rating on passes thrown 21-30 yards.

But Ryan is ranked higher?

I swear PFF can't make a single comparison with out screwing it up with their weird ranking system. There is just no way to spin this blatant mistake unless they are penalizing heavily for interceptions. But even the passer rating system which penalizes Int's thinks that Brees numbers are better.
 
Fins1971 said:
Anything is up for debate. This is a forum.

I don't know how they could rate Ryan Tannehill better with +2.3 than Drew Brees with +2.0 on passes 21-30 yards.

Ryan completed 6 of 22 passes for 182 yards and 1 TD and 0 Int for 76.7 passer rating on passes thrown 21-30 yards.
Drew Brees completed 12 of 27 for 329 yards and 2 TD's and 2 Int's for 83.7 passer rating on passes thrown 21-30 yards.

But Ryan is ranked higher.

I swear PFF can't make a single comparison with out screwing it up with their weird ranking system. There is just no way to spin this blatant mistake unless they are penalizing heavily for interceptions. But even the passer rating system which penalizes Int's thinks that Brees numbers are better.
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You are misinterpreting there rankings, if you read the fine print it says Drew Bree's had a stronger pocket and Tannehill was eating popcorn before his throws, so with his buttery fingers and Drew Bree's having a perfect pocket. Tannehill did better, even though his numbers are worse.
 
Tom Brady is 9 of 32 for 291 yards with 2 TD's and 0 Ints and a 85.8 passer rating on passes thrown 21-30 yards.

Yet he has a minus -2.7 grade and Ryan has +2.3

The PFF article is garbage and deserves no more of my attention when 2 of the players ranked below Ryan have better numbers.

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Smith21 said:
You are misinterpreting there rankings, if you read the fine print it says Drew Bree's had a stronger pocket and Tannehill was eating popcorn before his throws, so with his buttery fingers and Drew Bree's having a perfect pocket. Tannehill did better, even though his numbers are worse.
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So the rankings are subjective just like all of PFF stats.
 
Fins1971 said:
Anything is up for debate. This is a forum.

I don't know how they could rate Ryan Tannehill better with +2.3 than Drew Brees with +2.0 on passes 21-30 yards.

Ryan completed 6 of 22 passes for 182 yards and 1 TD and 0 Int for 76.7 passer rating on passes thrown 21-30 yards.
Drew Brees completed 12 of 27 for 329 yards and 2 TD's and 2 Int's for 83.7 passer rating on passes thrown 21-30 yards.

But Ryan is ranked higher?

I swear PFF can't make a single comparison with out screwing it up with their weird ranking system. There is just no way to spin this blatant mistake unless they are penalizing heavily for interceptions. But even the passer rating system which penalizes Int's thinks that Brees numbers are better.
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maybe the INTs equalized their scores.
 
Blah blah and more blah . When his line is healthy , and now that there is no longer Mike Wallace whom you have to basically put the ball in his pocket for him to " catch " it ..... We'll be able to better judge .

No excuses this year . I think he'll be just fine . He doesn't need to be anything more than average on the deep ball because he excels everywhere else .
 
if that one int for tannehill is the deep 50/50 ball maybe they dont hold him as accountable for that one given it wasn't his fault :idk:
 
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