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Where Nick O'Leary is drafted is second most interesting to me behind Danny Shelton. This is the lowest ranking I've seen on O'Leary but once Nolan Nawrocki listed him 10th among tight ends in his draft guide I knew O'Leary was indeed sliding drastically. He could have a very long wait.

I don't agree with it. O'Leary flunks the measurables like speed and arm length. But he's a very clever productive player who can make himself big or small depending on the requirement of the coverage. Funny looking frame. Can look like Don Nottingham out there even though he's above 6-3. Always knows where the marker is and gets tough yards after the catch.

I've compared him to Todd Christensen. That's the closet player I've seen to Christensen in decades. Combo fullback and tight end. The term H back didn't exist in Christensen's era. Both were very well known collegiate players. Same height although O'Leary is heavier, fitting with the modern trend at every position. I'm sure Christensen timed faster although O'Leary plays faster than he times.

Christensen went the opposite route, playing fullback in college even though receiving was his forte. It was an easy projection to pass catcher in the pros even though he wore a fullback's number.

Like Christensen, I hope O'Leary is fortunate to go to a smart team with a crafty quarterback who can use his strengths. He could be very good or not much of anything depending on where he lands. He needs to be bounced around the field and create mismatches on option routes, like a slower but much more aware version of Charles Clay.
 
WR

Top 10

1. Amari Cooper Alabama
2. Kevin White West Virginia

1st Round

3. Dorial Green-Beckham Oklahoma
4. DeVante Parker Louisville
5. Devin Funchess Michigan

2nd Round

6. Nelson Agholor USC
7. Kenny Bell Nebraska
8. Chris Conley Georgia
9. Phillip Dorsett Miami
10. Devin Smith Ohio State
11. Sammie Coates Auburn
12. Breshad Perriman Central Florida

3rd Round

13. DeAndre Smelter Georgia Tech
14. Tyrell Williams Western Oregon
15. Austin Hill Arizona
16. Reshad Greene Florida State
17. Tre McBride William & Mary

4th Round

18. DaVaris Daniels Notre Dame
19. Jaelen Strong Arizona State
20. Tyler Lockett TCU
21. Rannell Hall Central Florida
22. Justin Hardy East Carolina

5th Round

23. Geremy Davis Connecticut
24. Vince Mayle Washington State
25. Tony Lippett Michigan State
26. Damarr Aultman Maine -
27. Cameron Meredith Illinois State
28. DeAndre Carter Sacramento State

6th Round

29. Arthur Williams Maine
30. Ty Montgomery Stanford
31. Darren Waller Georgia Tech
32. Jordan Taylor Rice
33. Bud Sasser Missouri

7th Round

34. Antwon Goodley Baylor
35. Jordan Leslie BYU
36. Stefon Diggs Maryland

Strong and Lockett are 2 rounds too low for me.
Conley and Funchess are 2 rounds too high.
Greene is a low 2nd on my board.
Perriman, Agholor, Smith and Dorsett belong in the 1st.
 
I'm surprised Nick O'Leary fell out completely

I posted recently about how I have certain misgiving with Three Sigma Athlete's SPARQ, but I do think it's a useful reference/talking point. Nick O'leary is in the 2.8th percentile. He also has 29.75" arms. I'm not drafting that. I like a lot of what O'leary does, but he's such a long shot with those tools.

QB and OL are up.
 
J-off-her-doll you know I highly respect you but ranking Rashad Greene the 16th best receiver, and Nick O'Leary unranked is the dumbest **** I've seen in a long time.

O'Leary just won the Mackey award. The tight end position is not about elite athleticism. It's about having a feel and being able to catch. O'Leary has those two things in spades. Speed at the TE position is the most overrated attribute of any at any position. Tony Gonzalez and Antonio Gates were slow as dirt, but have a feel for getting open and can catch. I don't know how anyone can rank O'Leary lower than Maxx or Walford. I would take Maxx over O'Leary but that's it. Koyack sucks. I don't know what area he could possibly be better than O'Leary in.

By now everyone knows how good I think Rashad Greene will be. I'm also more confident in that evaluation than any I've ever done. I've seen at the least a few cutups of at least 200 players in this draft class. I've looked at extremely long lists looking for players to evaluate. Who the **** is Tyrell Williams? I've never heard of him, or even seen his name before. I'll be shocked if that guy lands on a practice squad. Rashad Greene is going to be a 10 year vet.


Honestly the rest of the list looks good. You're not the only one that's low on Rashad Greene or Nick O'Leary, but this is extremely overzealous. Two year 4 year starters at the best school in the nation the last 4 years. All they do is produce. They're exceptions to the rule. I strongly encourage you to re-evaluate them and find whatever it is you're missing. This isn't meant to be hostile or anything like that. Just a healthy debate. But I think you really missed the mark there.

You should check out Tyrell Williams. He's a big-time talent. 6'3 205 - fast, outstanding COD (which he translates to separation and RAC), and he play with a nasty demeanor.
 
I think I was the first person to bring up O'Leary here, and I think you guys are greatly overrating him. I'm a big fan of him, but he's probably a scheme specific player, who lacks athletism. I dont think jes drafted before the 5th rnd.

As for these ranks my biggest issue would be with Abdullah, Mike Davis, Josh Robinson, all ranked to low IMO. Also think Lockette is worth a 3rd, and that's to low for Diggs IMO.

Perriman ranked 12, bell ranked 7 is interesting though.
 
You should check out Tyrell Williams. He's a big-time talent. 6'3 205 - fast, outstanding COD (which he translates to separation and RAC), and he play with a nasty demeanor.

See, this is why I respect you. Even when I post something like this, you stay level headed. Gonna have disagreements it's only natural. But I respect how you didn't take it to heart.
 
See, this is why I respect you. Even when I post something like this, you stay level headed. Gonna have disagreements it's only natural. But I respect how you didn't take it to heart.

Thanks Tanneballs. It's an area where I've improved with age, but there's still plenty of room for growth. From the Dhammapada:

If, like a broken bell
you do not reverberate,
then you have attained nirvana,
and no hostility is found in you.

I can tell you that I have not attained nirvana :lol:
 
My friends in Las Vegas tell me I've mellowed in that area. Not nearly as many sportsbook disputes as the old days, when they often lingered to 3 or 4 AM with security guards entering the area wondering what we were arguing about hours after everyone else had departed.

I don't take it as a compliment. I read somewhere the other day that cognitive decline begins at age 54. I'm slightly beyond that. I need to start bickering again, as a mental vitamin. In particular, I know that when my use of the word simpleton starts to lessen, I'm not on my game.
 
James Sample is better than a 7th rounder, and should be slightly higher than Holiman, around the 4th or 5th or so I would think. However Holiman's ball skills make him a draftable player, I'm not sure why he's missing from your list. I'm guessing he was an omission on your board?
 
James Sample is better than a 7th rounder, and should be slightly higher than Holiman, around the 4th or 5th or so I would think. However Holiman's ball skills make him a draftable player, I'm not sure why he's missing from your list. I'm guessing he was an omission on your board?

Holliman is a below average (1.3 percentile) athlete who can't tackle and gets beat in coverage. I don't think he'll be around the ball enough to use those ball skills.
 
Round 1 Draft Grades

1. TB - Jameis Winston - A
2. TEN - Marcus Mariota - B
3. JAX - Dante Fowler - F
4. OAK - Amari Cooper - A
5. WAS - Brandon Scherff - B
6. NYJ - Leonard Williams - B+
7. CHI - Kevin White - A-
8. ATL - Vic Beasley - A+
9. NYG - Erik Flowers - B-
10. STL - Todd Gurley - A-
11. MIN - Traey Waynes - D
12. CLE - Danny Shelton - F
13. NO - Andrus Peat - D
14. MIA - DeVante Parker - B+
15. SD - Melvin Gordon - B
16. HOU - Kevin Johnson - A-
17. SF - Arik Armstead - B
18. KC - Marcus Peters - F
19. CLE - Cameron Erving - A-
20. PHI - Nelson Agholor - D+
21. CIN - Cedric Ogbuehi - C-
22. PIT - Bud Dupree - A+
23. DEN - Shane Ray - F
24. ARI - DJ Humphries - B+
25. CAR - Shaq Thompson - F
26. BAL - Breshad Perriman - C-
27. DAL - Byron Jones - B-
28. DET - Laken Tomlinson - D+
29. IND - Phillip Dorsett - D+
30. GB - Damarious Randall - C+
31. NO - Stephone Anthony - B-
32. NE - Malcom Brown - A-
 
QB

Top 10

1. Jameis Winston Florida State

1st Round

2. Marcus Mariota Oregon
3. Brett Hundley UCLA

3rd Round

4. Garrett Grayson Colorado State

5th Round

5. Brandon Bridge South Alabama


RB

Top 10

1. Todd Gurley Georgia

1st Round

2. Melvin Gordon Wisconsin

2nd Round

3. Telvin Coleman Indiana
4. Jay Ajayi Boise State
5. Duke Johnson Miami

3rd Round

6. Javorius Allen USC
7. David Johnson Northern Iowa
8. Ameer Abdullah Nebraska
9. TJ Yeldon Alabama

4th Round

10. Malcolm Brown Texas
11. Corey Grant Auburn
12. Jeremy Langford Michigan State

5th Round

13. Mike Davis South Carolina
14. Josh Robinson Mississippi State
15. Matt Jones Florida
16. Michael Dyer Louisville

6th Round

17. Dominique Brown Louisville
18. Akeem Hunt Purdue

7th Round

19. John Crockett North Dakota State
20. Malcolm Agnew Southern Illinois
21. Cameron Artis-Payne Auburn
22. Terrence Magee LSU
23. Karlos Williams FSU

UDFA

24. Dreamius Smith West Virginia
25. Trey Williams Texas A&M
26. Raheem Mostert Purdue

WR

Top 10

1. Amari Cooper Alabama
2. Kevin White West Virginia

1st Round

3. Dorial Green-Beckham Oklahoma
4. DeVante Parker Louisville
5. Devin Funchess Michigan

2nd Round

6. Nelson Agholor USC
7. Kenny Bell Nebraska
8. Chris Conley Georgia
9. Phillip Dorsett Miami
10. Devin Smith Ohio State
11. Sammie Coates Auburn
12. Breshad Perriman Central Florida

3rd Round

13. DeAndre Smelter Georgia Tech
14. Tyrell Williams Western Oregon
15. Austin Hill Arizona
16. Reshad Greene Florida State
17. Tre McBride William & Mary

4th Round

18. DaVaris Daniels Notre Dame
19. Jaelen Strong Arizona State
20. Tyler Lockett TCU
21. Rannell Hall Central Florida
22. Justin Hardy East Carolina

5th Round

23. Geremy Davis Connecticut
24. Vince Mayle Washington State
25. Tony Lippett Michigan State
26. Damarr Aultman Maine -
27. Cameron Meredith Illinois State
28. DeAndre Carter Sacramento State

6th Round

29. Arthur Williams Maine
30. Ty Montgomery Stanford
31. Darren Waller Georgia Tech
32. Jordan Taylor Rice
33. Bud Sasser Missouri

7th Round

34. Antwon Goodley Baylor
35. Jordan Leslie BYU
36. Stefon Diggs Maryland

TE

3rd Round

1. Clive Walford Miami
2. Maxx Williams Minnesota
3. Jesse James Penn State

4th Round

4. Jeff Heuerman Ohio State
5. Casey Pierce Kent State
6. Brian Parker Albany

5th Round

7. MyCole Pruitt Southern Illinois
8. Ben Koyack Notre Dame

6th Round-UDFA

9. Beau Gardner Northern Arizona
10. CJ Uzomah Auburn

OL

1st Round

1. Brandon Scherff Iowa
2. Cam Erving Florida State
3. Jake Fisher Oregon
4. Ereck Flowers Miami
5. La’el Collins LSU
6. DJ Humphries Florida

2nd Round

7. TJ Clemmings Pittsburgh
8. Cedric Ogbuehi Texas A&M
9. AJ Cann South Carolina
10. Ty Sambrailo Colorado State
11. Donovan Smith Penn State
12. Andrus Peat Stanford

3rd Round

13. Laurence Gibson Virginia Tech
14. Laken Tomlinson Duke
15. Jamon Brown Louisville
16. Mitch Morse Missouri
17. Mark Glowinski West Virginia
18. Shaq Mason Georgia Tech

4th Round

19. Hroniss Grasu Oregon
20. Jarvis Harrison Texas A&M
21. Jamil Douglas Arizona State
22. Ali Marpet Hobart

5th Round

23. Darryl Baldwin Ohio State
24. Corey Robinson South Carolina
25. Rob Havenstein Wisconsin
26. Terry Poole San Diego State
27. Daryl Williams Oklahoma
28. David Andrews Georgia
29. Tre Jackson Florida State
30. John Miller Louisville

6th Round

31. Jeremiah Poutasi Utah
32. Josue Matias Florida State
33. Austin Shepherd Alabama
34. Tyson Chandler North Carolina State
35. Nick Easton Harvard
36. Andy Galik Boston College
37. Reese Dismukes Auburn

7th Round

38. Andrew Donnal Iowa
39. Sean Hickey Syracuse
40. Quinton Spain West Virginia
41. Arie Koundjio Alabama
42. BJ Finney Kansas State
43. Tyrus Thompson Oklahoma
44. Max Garcia Florida
45. Chad Hamilton Coastal Carolina

UDFA

46. Michael Liedtke Illinois State
47. Austin Reiter USF
48. Tyreek Burkwell Cincinnati
49. Andre Davis Buffalo
50. Jesse Davis Idaho

DT

Top 10

1. Leonard Williams USC
2. Carl Davis Iowa

1st Round

3. Xavier Cooper Washington State
4. Eddie Goldman Florida State
5. Arik Armstead Oregon
6. Malcom Brown

2nd Round

7. Darius Philon Arkansas
8. Jordan Phillips Oklahoma
9. Grady Jarrett Clemson
10. Michael Bennett Ohio State

3rd Round

11. Rakeem Nunez-Roches Southern Mississippi
12. Christian Covington Rice
13. Danny Shelton Washington

4th Round

14. Marcus Hardison Arizona State
15. Tyler Davidson Fresno State
16. Ellis McCarthy UCLA

5th Round

17. Gabe Wright Auburn
18. Angelo Blackson Auburn

6th Round

19. Bobby Richardson Indiana
20. Deon Simon Northwestern State

7th Round

21. Derrick Lott Chattanooga
22. T. Y. McGill North Carolina State

Edge

Top 10

1. Randy Gregory Nebraska
2. Vic Beasley Clemson
3. Alvin Dupree Kentucky

1st Round

4. Frank Clark Michigan
5. Owamagbe Odighizuwa UCLA
6. Shaq Riddick West Virginia
7. Preston Smith Mississippi State

2nd Round

8. Danielle Hunter LSU
9. Trey Flowers Arkansas
10. Dante Fowler Florida
11. Eli Harold Virginia

3rd Round

12. Marcus Rush Michigan State
13. Anthony Chickillo Miami
14. Shane Ray Missouri

4th Round

15. David Irving Iowa State
16. Nate Orchard Utah
17. Mario Edwards Jr Florida State
18. Brian Mihalik Boston College

5th Round

19. Davis Tull Tennessee Chattanooga
20. Jamil Cooks Alcorn State

6th Round

21. Ryan Russell Purdue
22. Kristjan Sokoli Buffalo
23. BJ McBryde Connecticut

7th Round

24. Alfy Hill Winston-Salem
25. Caushaud Lyons Tusculum

LB

2nd Round

1. Benardrick McKinney Mississippi State
2. Eric Kendricks UCLA
3. Stephone Anthony Clemson

3rd Round

4. Jordan Hicks Texas
5. Alani Fua BYU
6. Mike Hull Penn State
7. Shaq Thompson Washington

4th Round

8. Martrell Spaight Arkansas
9. Denzel Perryman Miami
10. Kwon Alexander LSU

5th Round

11. Paul Dawson TCU
12. Ben Heeney Kansas
13. DJ Alexander Oregon State
14. Bryce Hager Baylor
15. Jake Ryan Michigan

6th Round

16. Cole Farrand Maryland
17. Trevor Roach Nebraska
18. Kevin Snyder Rutgers
19. Zach Vigil Utah State
20. Damien Wilson Minnesota

7th Round

21. Hayes Pullard USC
22. Ramik Wilson Georgia
23. Taiwan Jones Michigan State

CB

1st Round

1. Kevin Johnson Wake Forest
2. Jalen Collins LSU

2nd Round

3. Bobby McCain Memphis
4. Justin Coleman Tennessee
5. Byron Jones Connecticut
6. Eric Rowe Utah
7. Ronald Darby Florida State
8. Trae Waynes Michigan State

3rd Round

9. Ifo Ekpre-Olomu Oregon
10. Josh Shaw USC
11. PJ Williams Florida State

4th Round

12. Darryl Roberts Marshall
13. Marcus Peters Washington
14. Steve Nelson Oregon State
15. D’Joun Smith Florida Atlantic
16. SaQwan Edwards New Mexico

5th Round

17. Senquez Golson Mississippi
18. Alex Carter Stanford
19. Craig Mager Texas State
20. Quinten Rollins Miami Ohio
21. Dexter McDonald Kansas

6th Round

22. Deshazor Everett Texas A&M
23. Robertson Daniel BYU
24. Curtis Riley Fresno State
25. Troy Hill Oregon
26. Tye Smith Towson
27. Justin Cox Mississippi State
28. Doran Grant Ohio State
29. Kevin White TCU
30. Gary Peters Clemson

7th Round

31. Jacoby Glenn UCF
32. Tray Walker Texas Southern
33. Julian Wilson Oklahoma
34. Charles Gaines Louisville
35. JaCory Shepherd Kansas
36. Tray Walker Texas Southern
37. Damian Swann Georgia
38. Bryce Callahan Rice

S

2nd Round

1. Demarious Randall Arizona State
2. Ibraheim Campbell Northwestern
3. Cedric Thompson Minnesota
4. Landon Collins Alabama

3rd Round

5. Jaquiski Tartt Samford
6. Adrian Amos Penn State

4th Round

7. Cameron Ontko Cal Poly State
8. Brian Suite Utah State
9. Skye Povey BYU
10. Ryan Murphy Oregon State

5th Round

11. Clayton Geathers UCF
12. Jermaine Whitehead Auburn

6th Round

13. Derron Smith Fresno State
14. Cody Prewitt Mississippi

7th Round

15. Anthony Harris Virginia
16. James Sample Louisville



Well according to this value chart the Dolphins had a fantastic draft, time will tell obviously, but everyone we drafted was either right where this chart predicted they would go or higher. Watch for Bobby McCain to be a big surprise in the future. I loved the first 2 picks, didn't know anything about Douglas, but obviously he is a perfect scheme fit with athleticism, strength and intelligence. Jay Ajayi, I hope we get his full contract out of him definitely a great value in the 5th round. I have read about Cedric Thompson and his journey from HS to college. His story is all about persevearance, dedication and relentless pursuit to achieve, we've done well picking safeties in the 5th round and beyond, hopefully another gem. I'm pumped up for the offseason and for training camp.
 
Good work man. List held pretty true. Definitely enjoyed your insights this draft season. Looking forward to next year already lol
 
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