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Fitz - Making Flores Look Better Than He Is For More Than A Year

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People gave Flores a ton of credit for taking his self-imposed cast of misfits and managing to get 5 wins, including two over eventual playoff teams and one in which the team beat the defending champs in a game that was the difference between homefield/bye week and not, which was a huge reason their season ended early in the playoffs and that their dynasty POSSIBLY ended in acrimony. It's easy to look at that and say "great coaching job", and a lot of people did. But a closer look reveals that the makings of sustained success wasn't necessarily there even in our wins. We played improved defense, but we also carried over surprisingly few players from the team that finished last year on defense. We didn't have a sustained rushing attack. We got a ton of help from trick plays and play fakes every week that only a team with nothing left to lose feels confident in running - we certainly haven't seen anything from the same ilk when the games have actually mattered this year.

The five games the resulted in inordinate amount of praise towards the coaching staff were mostly because of the play of Fitzpatrick, a guy who, aside from being the team's leading rusher, was a threat to come out every week regardless of opponent and lead a downfield passing attack whether or nor we could even pass block that well. This isn't an attempt to give Fitz qualities he doesn't have - the guy is clearly a career choke artist who racks up big plays and surprising wins yet always bowed out when he could make the playoffs, always failed to follow up a good season with a second. But in his own words he was the perfect guy for a team like the Dolphins. Give him a team with nothing to lose and let him air it out, he's likely to make enough plays to get a few wins here and there, and likely to not go an entire game without generating some exciting offense at some point. Since he thrives with his back against the wall, he turns should-be blowouts into respectable scores. We failed to scheme up a consistent running game at any point last year. We really couldn't pass block. Fitz delivered production that the coaching staff didn't even really merit - and certainly Flores agreed to some extent as we fired our OC.

I was mad that Fitz played so much last year, but I could understand it. We were far worse than even our 5-11 record indicated, but because of the buzz that Fitz's offense generated, so many people were buying into what Miami was doing. But the honeymoon period from that boost is for the most part over - except that in a game where we got our butts completely handed to us, in the scoreboard it shows as a three point loss. Nevermind that the game was over before we got those 8 garbage points and extra drive's worth of production. Nevermind that by and large the offense playing as well as could be expected was the only reason why a game where the defense just completely didn't show up.

People want Tua to start because they want something to be excited about, but Tua's run is pretty far off right now because Flores needs the respectability that Fitz can bring. It makes them look a lot better than it is. And that same thing is why, when last year should have been all about finding out what a young QB had, we instead had to ride a veteran just to main respectability. At least the offense doesn't look as in bad of shape as it did when we gave Rosen his "shot" last year, but it's still hard to imagine the team being handed over to a rookie who might not be able to do that much with receivers struggling to get separation, play calling being inconsistent, and us utterly failing at running the ball when we need to (not just when we catch the defense playing back due to the threat of the pass).
 
Fitz was the reason we won 5 games. That being said, Miami coaches were in (seemingly) high demand during the off-season. Our staff took jobs all over the NFL. It didn’t really make a lot of sense to me because I felt that our record was more a product of “Fitzmagic” than good coaching.
 
all i know is he ain't no Beli, he would have had someone take the knees out of Diggs
 
Can't have it both ways. The first few games of last year everyone wanted Fitz gone. he was solid afterwards. I think it was a combination of coming together as a team, Flores and coaching. It does seem that the new coaches (and a fossil) have a ways to go. But taking anything away from Flores of LAST YEAR is not right. Imho
 
The 'throw it up and pray' O late last season did pick up some results which inflated our record to a level where it may not have deserved to be. But people are now being too harsh on Flores after what was two pretty predictable losses.
 
I mean at the end of last season Flo had Undrafted and street FA corners starting and playing capable. We litterally we’re signing guys on mondays and playing them on sundays and they played OK. People are way too impulsive week to week. The NFL is a long season. Fitz looked terrible last week and we still were in that game.
 
I mean at the end of last season Flo had Undrafted and street FA corners starting and playing capable. We litterally we’re signing guys on mondays and playing them on sundays and they played OK. People are way too impulsive week to week. The NFL is a long season. Fitz looked terrible last week and we still were in that game.

Flores got street FAs to play better than expected...but the bar should be getting actually NFL talent to play like it. He gets the same level of play regardless of who is out there but that level of play isn't good enough.
 
Flores got street FAs to play better than expected...but the bar should be getting actually NFL talent to play like it. He gets the same level of play regardless of who is out there but that level of play isn't good enough.

Based off what? 2 games in a shortened offseason With the number 1 Corner missing most of the game. Xavien getting his first consistent playing time in months due to injury and Covid and a rookie 20 year old playing in his second game ever. Let’s see how he can coach up this talent over the course of a season and see where we are at
 
Last year we lost are first 2 games by almost a 100 points due to drastic roster turnover. This year it was only 14 with the same turnover and more talent. Excited to see how we develop over the course of the season. From a player development perspective I can see a lot of growth in this team
 
The 'throw it up and pray' O late last season did pick up some results which inflated our record to a level where it may not have deserved to be. But people are now being too harsh on Flores after what was two pretty predictable losses.

It's one thing to lose..it's another for the defense to be almost entirely embarrassed two weeks in a row. It's also very easy for people to forget that, while the offense made the stupid move of decimating their offensive line and getting rid of a starting wide receiver right before the season started, Flores didn't have that excuse when it came to the defense. He went out there with the same guys and gave up 59 points week one, 43 week two...a combined 102 points. We didn't trade Minkah until AFTER that debacle, for which there was no excuse.

Flores doesn't seem to know how to come out of camp knowing what he wants his defense to do. We can't give him a couple week grace period every year. And this kind of defensive bullcrap and slow starts is going to make it harder to turn things over to a young QB.
 
Based off what? 2 games in a shortened offseason With the number 1 Corner missing most of the game. Xavien getting his first consistent playing time in months due to injury and Covid and a rookie 20 year old playing in his second game ever. Let’s see how he can coach up this talent over the course of a season and see where we are at

We're playing under the same circumstances as other teams. In some cases better, since the main defensive guy (Flores) stayed the same.
 
We're playing under the same circumstances as other teams. In some cases better, since the main defensive guy (Flores) stayed the same.

Most teams are have 47% roster turnover, learning brand new systems, with a majority of those players being rookies or 25 years or younger. On top of the shortened offseason?
 
Most teams are have 47% roster turnover, learning brand new systems, with a majority of those players being rookies or 25 years or younger. On top of the shortened offseason?

I wasn't aware that Flores went anywhere - did I miss something? And 1/2 the guys he signed already knew his system, which is why he signed them.
 
Most teams are have 47% roster turnover, learning brand new systems, with a majority of those players being rookies or 25 years or younger. On top of the shortened offseason?
But we're just supposed to skip the growing pains of a rebuild and become instant contenders!


Wow. I feel like we're meeting most the expectations people had in the offseason, but suddenly ****'s hit the fan after a close loss? A lot of people here aren't holding true to their own expectations and instead expect us to be KC already lol. It's weird. Say one thing. Expect different.
 
I wasn't aware that Flores went anywhere - did I miss something? And 1/2 the guys he signed already knew his system, which is why he signed them.

No flores didn’t go anywhere, we did get a new defensive cordinator, new LB coach, new defensive back coach. Byron Jones, Ogbah, Lawson, Raekwon Davis, Igbinoghene, Brandon Jones are all new starters learning new system. Van Noy is only current starter coming in that knew flores system so not sure where you got 1/2 from. Could make a case for Elandon Roberts too but he didn’t even play today. I’m as disappointed as anybody we havent played well on defense, my point is that this was always gonna be a process you can’t just add a bunch of talent and instantly be amazing it doesn’t work like that
 
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