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Hope everyone’s keeping well first and foremost and wish you all the best of health.

When I joined Finheaven a year ago I read as many posts as I could as I was really curious about people’s opinions. One thread caught my eye in particular and the discussion hovered over Tua (ofcourse as most of our threads had a Tua discussion in them) and should we go all out to get him after his injury.

I posted something along the lines that we should try and get Newton in and Lawrence next season if it worked with the cap etc and we could get a 1/2nd pick next season with our capital.

Not many people reacted positively with Newton’s injury concerns and slight/major attitude problem. I get that.

Now we have Tua and I’m delighted he’s here and can’t wait to see him, but instead I’m watching fitzpatrick. I’ve never understood his nickname as I’ve never been massively impressed by him throughout his career. There’s a reason he’s a journeyman in my humble opinion (and that is all it is one person’s opinion which could be wrong)

Should Tua be learning from Fitzpatrick while we’re preparing him to be our franchise QB? Playing devil’s advocate if we’d swapped the two QB’s round against the pats and the rest of the two teams had remained the same who would have won that first week clash against the Patsies?

My question to you guys who know a lot more than I do and I’d really like your thoughts on, are:

A) could we have got shot of Fitz in the off season and got Newton in on a 2 year deal, I’m not great with cap space and salaries, so would this have been something we could have done financially? Was it viable (regardless of whether we wanted him or not)

B) would it not have been better for Tua to learn from Newton rather than Fitz?

C) exactly what is Tua learning from Fitz? (This is a straight up question no sarcasm implied)

D) Who should be Tua’s backup next season?

Thanks
 
Fitz is an amazing Mentor. There is so much that is good about him, unfortunately for him the arm talent just isnt there, but in terms of Heart, what it is like to be a pro, Film Study, taking care of your body, there isnt a QB I would rather have on my roster than Fitz. When Bills moved on from Taylor and decided on a Young QB. I was clamoring them to bring back Fitz, because on top of the mentor-ship there is enough talent there that will push your youngster.

Cam wanted to start. IMO there would not be that mentor-ship going on with Cam.


If Fitz wants to keep playing I would keep him as your BU to Tua, again lets say Tua gets digned and need a QB for a stretch of 3 games (and to finish a game with Zero prep) Fitz can do that and likely will produce for you as well.
 
PAphins said:
I couldn’t possibly think of a worse, more me-first, disrespectful QB to serve as a mentor than Cam Newton.

“It’s funny to hear a female talk about routes. It’s funny.”
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That reporter has since left the Charlotte Observer to cover the LA Rams for the Athletic.

She's very well respected in the sports media industry and Cam definitely picked the wrong one to go after.
 
GrieseMarino said:
Hope everyone’s keeping well first and foremost and wish you all the best of health.

When I joined Finheaven a year ago I read as many posts as I could as I was really curious about people’s opinions. One thread caught my eye in particular and the discussion hovered over Tua (ofcourse as most of our threads had a Tua discussion in them) and should we go all out to get him after his injury.

I posted something along the lines that we should try and get Newton in and Lawrence next season if it worked with the cap etc and we could get a 1/2nd pick next season with our capital.

Not many people reacted positively with Newton’s injury concerns and slight/major attitude problem. I get that.

Now we have Tua and I’m delighted he’s here and can’t wait to see him, but instead I’m watching fitzpatrick. I’ve never understood his nickname as I’ve never been massively impressed by him throughout his career. There’s a reason he’s a journeyman in my humble opinion (and that is all it is one person’s opinion which could be wrong)

Should Tua be learning from Fitzpatrick while we’re preparing him to be our franchise QB? Playing devil’s advocate if we’d swapped the two QB’s round against the pats and the rest of the two teams had remained the same who would have won that first week clash against the Patsies?

My question to you guys who know a lot more than I do and I’d really like your thoughts on, are:

A) could we have got shot of Fitz in the off season and got Newton in on a 2 year deal, I’m not great with cap space and salaries, so would this have been something we could have done financially? Was it viable (regardless of whether we wanted him or not)

B) would it not have been better for Tua to learn from Newton rather than Fitz?

C) exactly what is Tua learning from Fitz? (This is a straight up question no sarcasm implied)

D) Who should be Tua’s backup next season?

Thanks
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First off, most of us just have opinions, so I would take everything said here with a grain of salt although some opinions are better thought out than others, but at the end of the day, very few things that are speculated about are really known 100%. Some people just are convinced they’re right. LOL

Anyways, yeah we definitely could’ve signed Cam Newton. He is a beast. I can only speak for myself in saying that we haven’t had a franchise QB since Dan Marino. We had one fluke year with Pennington, and Tannehill had the tools, but we didn’t have the Front office and coaching staff to set him up for success like he currently is with Tennessee. Good Oline, running game, Play action, etc., but he sure looks good enough to make you shake your fist in the air and Curse Adam Gase.

I felt like there was a risk with Cam Newton, because why else would Carolina get rid of him other than they made a misjudgment, which to be fair certainly seems like it was possible. Then again, sometimes people just need a change of scenery.

I think many of us just wanted our own QB, one that we drafted high in the draft, and Tua is certainly a great prospect. If we had Cam Newton, no way we lose enough games to be in a position to draft Trevor Lawrence assuming he goes number 1 as expected. I think we took Tua, we took a great exciting prospect, and the thought was probably that Fitzpatrick would be a great mentor for Tua, a better mentor then someone like Cam Newton who is a great QB, but also can do things, or plays with a style that he does as a man who’s 6’5 260 lbs with a cannon for an arm. Alot of what he does isn’t translatable to a body type like Tua has for instance, although Tua has his own gifts for sure.

At the end of the day, hindsight is always 20/20. I’d like to see Tua get a better grasp of reading defense, mastering the offense, and for the Oline to gel more which looks like it will be solid. Then I say throw him into the wolves and let’s see what we got. If he stinks up the joint and we lose enough games, we can always take another prospect early in the draft next year with our multiple picks just to give some competition and ensure we have our franchise QB.

Personally, I think Tua is our guy and will be our guy if he stays healthy and I can’t wait to see him.

I also thought Herbert would turn out to be a good QB as he was clearly a great prospect as well. I preferred Tua, but not enough to trade up for him, that’s how close I thought he and Herbert were in terms of a projection for a pro career. We shall see, but Herbert looked pretty promising in his first outing, but I think we need to see more film on him before anyone jumps to any conclusions.

Just my opinion...

Next year I hope we draft some weapons at WR, Tight End, & Running Back to give Tua plenty of targets to throw to. We need more speed!!! Of course we don’t throw to Brenda much who is the fastest guy in the league, so I hope we get a new Offensive coordinator too. Gailey was a very unispired hiring IMHO.
 
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SCLSU Mud Dogs said:
That reporter has since left the Charlotte Observer to cover the LA Rams for the Athletic.

She's very well respected in the sports media industry and Cam definitely picked the wrong one to go after.
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And if his intention is to degrade women in sports, there is no “right” one to go after.

One of many things that have soured me on him over the years. Making a “business decision” not to dive on a loose ball in the SB, talking an UNREAL amount of **** then refusing to face the music when he can’t back it up.

Theres a reason no one wanted to sign him for 8 months until a team was staring at a qb room of stidham and brian hoyer.
 
A) Well Miami had plenty of cap space, and still have more than enough after all of the signi gs so yes it was viable. He would not have fit anything Flores wants to do though.

B) No, no, no, no and NO. No offense but idk how this is even a question anyone could have.

C) I'd imagine a whole lot. How to read defenses, how to film study, how to prepare, how to take care of yourself, how to handle the media, how to carry yourself. I know these are all things he's learned and already had experience with at Alabama under Saban, but this is still the NFL and everything is the same but different.

D) I'd be all for bringing Fitz back to be the backup. I didnt want Fitz here, and I still dont think hes a guy you want as your starter, but as a backup to a young QB he has tremendous value.
 
Better QB at this point in their career = Newton

Better QB to mentor Tua = Fitzpatrick

No one here expects Fitzpatrick to win us a superbowl or get us to the playoffs, but some of us hope he can teach Tua the things needed to help him get acclimated to the game on and off the field in order to help him reach his peak form quickest.
 
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I don’t think Newton wanted to sign with someone knowing he would be replaced. I also don’t see a point in is bringing him here. Tua is the future, Fitz is the better role model/mentor. We have our QB let’s see it play out.
 
Fitzpatrick is running dive plays at 38 years old. He may not last more than 6 games and laying it all out on the line buying us time until Tua can step in.

The ultimate team-first player in the building and serving as a great role model in team competition.
 
illscriptures said:
Better QB at this point in their career = Newton

Better QB to mentor Tua = Fitzpatrick

No one here expects Fitzpatrick to win us a superbowl or get us to the playoffs, but some of us hope he can teach Tua the things needed to help him get acclimated to the game on and off the field in order to help him reach his peak form quickest.
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Just want him to teach from the bench
 
vcip said:
Just want him to teach from the bench
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And why can't Tua learn from the bench?

why are you in such a rush to play him when the team around him is still pretty shaky?

Why not let him get in-game film from someone who knows how to do it so he can use it later in the season if he starts a game or two?

He's 22 years old. There's no rush.
 
Playing Tua Is not just a function of his being able to read defenses and understand our offense of playbook. It is also a function of when the offense of line has developed to the point that he can play the game with some degree of safety
 
SCLSU Mud Dogs said:
And why can't Tua learn from the bench?

why are you in such a rush to play him when the team around him is still pretty shaky?

Why not let him get in-game film from someone who knows how to do it so he can use it later in the season if he starts a game or two?

He's 22 years old. There's no rush.
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Sound point but it is my frustration of having to endure Fitzpatrick
On a somewhat different note it does hit at confidence of the pick for either hip or unable to be heads and shoulders against the most average QB ever
Can't watch the guy so call me selfish I don't care
 
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