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Flores And The Offensive System versus the Defensive System

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When Flores first came here, they had a good idea with regard to the offensive system.

He brought in Chad O’Shea from the Patriots to build a professional NFL offense. A system that has worked well for a long time. Not simple, but it works when your players ultimately learn their multiple assignments.

Flores gave up on that after one year. He wanted a simpler offense.

BUT at the same time he wanted a simpler offense, Flores wanted more and more complexity on the defense. Flores continued to want the defensive players to be multiple and run a complex scheme. Part of the reason he ran Minkah Fitzpatrick out of town. Part of the reason why Jaelen Phillips still can’t figure out what to do. The defense is so darn complicated. Take a safety in Minkah, make him play corner. Take a DE in Jaelen Phillips, try to turn him into a linebacker and cover all the sudden.

Riddle me this, why would we want a super high degree of complexity on defense, but then super high simplicity on offense? That seems backwards. Given what the game has become and the nature of players on each side of the ball, one would think you would want the complexity on offense, and the defense to be simpler freeing the players up to be a bit more aggressive and instinctive?

Then on top of it all, Flores was part of the group that drafted Tua, and Tua needs a simple offense. And every year Flores has made the offense simpler. To the point where Jaylen Waddle is now turned into a running back and has world record low yards per reception.

It all seems terribly inconsistent. He wants a highly complex defense, and a highly simple offense with a simple QB running it. Flores has it backwards, and this simplistic stupid offense is ultimately on Flores.
 
And Flores is a defensive guy and likely feels comfortable with those complex schemes.


I do wish we would’ve just stuck with O shea. The offense was starting to click at the end of his year
agree. is wierd too, you would think a defensive guy would realize it is harder to prepare to play against a more complex offense
 
I think that the fact you think Tua is a simpleton who needs a simple offense is way off base. He absolutely needs to adjust to the speed of the game and learn more, but he has always been known as having really high football iq
not true about him having a high football IQ. the alabama offense was even simplified for him.
 
Simple offense, complex offense who cares?? Is there data to support that complex offenses are more effective? Fix the offensive line and the offense will all of sudden be effective. Get a consistent run game and all of a sudden the drives will be easier to sustain. Get rid of this 2 OC crapfest and it'll be easier to give the offense an identity.
 
And Flores is a defensive guy and likely feels comfortable with those complex schemes.


I do wish we would’ve just stuck with O shea. The offense was starting to click at the end of his year
I thought so too, but a lot of Miami's success was Fitzpatrick and his ability to make something happen when a play broke down.

The frustrating thing right now is that until the offensive line improves, it's hard to utilize players like Fuller and Waddle to their full potential.
 
Simple offense, complex offense who cares?? Is there data to support that complex offenses are more effective? Fix the offensive line and the offense will all of sudden be effective. Get a consistent run game and all of a sudden the drives will be easier to sustain. Get rid of this 2 OC crapfest and it'll be easier to give the offense an identity.
I always thought that NE'S offense with Brady was pretty simple. Same really with those great Miami teams of the 70's.

Simple and effective can obviously work.
 
Simple offense, complex offense who cares?? Is there data to support that complex offenses are more effective? Fix the offensive line and the offense will all of sudden be effective. Get a consistent run game and all of a sudden the drives will be easier to sustain. Get rid of this 2 OC crapfest and it'll be easier to give the offense an identity.
Ok. WHy then is it so important to Flores to run a super complex defense if the system doesnt matter?
 
the alabama offense was even simplified for him.
Keep making **** up... Sarkasian's been saying Tua was the most instinctive QB he coached, said Tua would call things out in the huddle they never even practice and it almost always worked...
 
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Keep making **** up... Sarkasian's been saying Tua was the most instinctive QBs he coach, said Tua would call things out in the huddle they never even practice and it almost always worked...
oh boy
 
Ok. WHy then is it so important to Flores to run a super complex defense if the system doesnt matter?
and ps who is this 2 oc crapfest on? who is the crappy OL coach on? and who are the crappy players on the OL on (and if you deny flores isnt in on those personnel decisions you are kidding yourself)
 
Ok. WHy then is it so important to Flores to run a super complex defense if the system doesnt matter?
You're implying that Flores is out here pounding the table for a complex defense. Maybe the defense we run is simply the style of defense he has been coaching since his NE days so it's what he prefers due to familiarity. Coaches tend to run what they know especially when they specialize on one side of the ball.
 
Something weird definitely happened with OShea. I find it hard to believe that reported reason was truly it, because like you said, it would be beyond ridiculous.

I think there had to be some sort of personality clash between him and Flores. Not that this reason would make me feel a whole lot better. But at least better than “our offensive coordinator was too smart”
 
I don’t think Tua is a simpleton that’s needs a basic offense to be successful. I think Flores is being mindful of the fact that Tua is making the adjustment from college to the NFL, and on top of that is already dealing with a 2nd coordinator change in just his 2nd year with the Dolphins- something that can absolutely be attributed to Flores’ early missteps regarding the OC position. While Flores shouldn’t get a pass for that, I viewed bringing in Charlie Frye as QB Coach and building an offensive system around Tua’s strength’s would bring about an organic process that saw our offense ratchet up the complexity as Tua continued to grow and gain a mastery of it.

The Tua rib injury is devastating from the standpoint that it makes it that much harder to evaluate not only Tua, but our new offensive system as a whole. That being said, watching Brisket and the offense struggle yesterday made me feel more confident that Tua can be the guy “IF” he can somehow stay healthy and “IF” this team can find a way to at least achieve an average functioning O-Line.

Tua threw for 202 yards in week 1 @NE and suffered from a couple of drops on what should have been routine catches that probably cost him from having 50+ more yards on his total. Since facing the Dolphins, the NE defense has given up less than 350 passing yards in the 2 games combined.

The O-Line wasn’t great yesterday, but they were better than they’ve been in the prior 2 games. If they hadn’t gotten Tua killed in the Buffalo game, I think we would have seen Tua have a pretty effective game vs the Raiders. I think he certainly would have shown better than Jacoby. We probably also avoid that awful safety and Tua probably hits on a few of the deep balls that Jacoby couldn’t.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m officially worried about Tua’s ability to stay healthy at this level and have finally come over to the camp that we should have drafted Herbert. That being said, I don’t think all is lost. At least yet anyway. In the next 2-3 weeks, we need our O-Line to continue to make strides so Tua at least has a fighting chance and maybe we get lucky and at least know what we do or don’t have in Tua by the end of the season.
 
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