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Flynn's red zone production. All snaps results.

z0eboy said:
I looked at Matt Flynn's NFL highlights and he is an exact duplicate of Matt Moore. I say we go after Jason Campbell, it would be alot cheaper and he could definately compete to be the starter.
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Campbell sucks. Flynn looks better than Moore.
 
Ilovemyfins4eva said:
people keep saying its what our coach saw that will bring him here, but what could he have really seen that we didnt?

sure he sees him in practice all week, but in terms of live game play, which is all that really counts, he has a very small sample size. he has played in 2 meaningful games in his career ( 2nd qtr on vs lions in 2010 and lost and was awful, and the following week vs the pats, played better, but still lost. And while i cant say the packer finale vs the lions this year wasnt impressive, i was talking meaningful games, that game was far from meaningful for greenbay).

obviously philbin understands the qb position better than anyone on here ( or you would damn hope so at least) but i just dont see what he could have really seen that we have not. did he play in some other games that i missed?
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Obviously game time situations are the most important thing in evaluation of a player, but it's absolutely not the ONLY thing. Watching a guy in practice, how hard he works in the film room, how "football" intelligent he is, etc., these are all very important items to know about a player ESPECIALLY a QB. Because it's not only about his game time performance that will determine if this guy can be elite (especially considering he's only had 2 significant game time opportunities).
 
Ilovemyfins4eva said:
its fine u dont want moore, whatever i cant really argue with you anymore about that because i know where you stand on it, but you really think then matt ****ing flynn is the guy?

i mean come on, u dont want moore, ok, but you think matt flynn is that much more proven and better, than rather than go with moore for another year on the cheap, its worth it to give a guy, and no i dont care about 1 meaningless game that he had despite the stats, its still 1 game in the grand scheme of things, you think that is a guy worth being handed the starting job and being paid close to top qb money? just curious.

as many defencies as moore may have as you like to point out, hes also not as god awful as you make him out to be. hes deff not worthy of a monster contract yet, but hes def not that bad as to where a guy like matt ****ing flynn should just be able to walk in here like hes peyton manning and be handed a job without winning it. if flynn is so great like everyone on here thinks, he should have no problem winning the qb competition with that great talent he has.

maybe its just me, but i personally dont see matt flynn specifically as a major upgrade, or heck maybe not even an upgrade at all to moore, and if it only came down to those 2 qbs for starting job, i rather go with the guy who we are paying **** to, who despite some problems also showed some nice stuff, see what he can do, and if he ****ing blows, we cut his *** and move on and go all in for barkley next year ( and no not lose intentionally for him but trade everything we can, because that is the next franchise qb to come out, and im assuming that one of the teams next season that has the 1st overall pick has a good chance of having drafted their future qb already and it maybe a very tradeable pick) as opposed to just giving someone totally unproven for the most part 60 million a year, and yes you can say any college qb also has not proven anything in the nfl, which is true, but college qbs when they are drafted are drafted based on their college resume, and at least these draft picks were able to pick apart that level of talent, be it inferior or not, as opposed to flynn who couldnt even do well at the college level ( and dont say he won a national title, alabama never has a qb and they have won 3 under saban i believe, its all the defense in those colleges)
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Well, thankfully we have a coach who worked with Flynn for the past 3 years making that decision. I just don't get why we would all speculate whether Flynn is an upgrade over Moore. We will see soon enough once FA happens. If the Phins sign him, you know Philbin has faith to pay big money to a guy that will basically make or break his only head coaching opportunity.
 
z0eboy said:
What stats are you looking at? are you just making this up to sound like an expert???
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I'm not looking at stats. I'm rewatching games from this season, and last season. If you do that, you can clearly see that Flynn is better than Campbell.

Campbell is like .1 steps up from Moore. The guy can start, but you will always be looking to replace him. Moore probably won't start for most of his career. He'll be that mid to high end backup, though someone might give him a chance eventually, and then he'll be replaced a few years later when they realize that they won't be a great team til they get a good to great QB.
 
vagrantprodigy said:
I'm not looking at stats. I'm rewatching games from this season, and last season. If you do that, you can clearly see that Flynn is better than Campbell.
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WOW your looking at game film to make this decision that Flynn (2 starts in 2 seasons) is better than Campbell???? Come on people I think there is a big issue when people make opinions without looking at stats, Campbell is a better football player PERIOD!!!

Jason Campbell (7 yr span) - Career 60.8 comp%, 14,417 Yards passing, 6.8 yard average, 74td 50Int and 147 sacks

Matt Flynn (4 yr span) - Career 62.1 comp%, 1,015 Yards passiong, 7.7 yard average, 9td 5Int and 13 sacks.
 
z0eboy said:
WOW your looking at game film to make this decision that Flynn (2 starts in 2 seasons) is better than Campbell???? Come on people I think there is a big issue when people make opinions without looking at stats, Campbell is a better football player PERIOD!!!

Jason Campbell (7 yr span) - Career 60.8 comp%, 14,417 Yards passing, 6.8 yard average, 74td 50Int and 147 sacks

Matt Flynn (4 yr span) - Career 62.1 comp%, 1,015 Yards passiong, 7.7 yard average, 9td 5Int and 13 sacks.
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Not sure what point your making by this but the biggest stat that stands out is the YPA. Flynn is almost a full yard better. Anything less then 7 is not impressive at all.
 
MadDog 88 said:
I certainly would like to know how you are aware of the price because no one else seems to know.
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i have inside information, lol.

in all seriousness, the way the guy is being hyped, he is going to want to be paid like that kind of money, and someone will, so say for example the seahawks offer him a contract, and then the skins, do, etc, that will only drive his price up.

if people were talking about me like that also id want to be paid big money.
 
z0eboy said:
WOW your looking at game film to make this decision that Flynn (2 starts in 2 seasons) is better than Campbell???? Come on people I think there is a big issue when people make opinions without looking at stats, Campbell is a better football player PERIOD!!!

Jason Campbell (7 yr span) - Career 60.8 comp%, 14,417 Yards passing, 6.8 yard average, 74td 50Int and 147 sacks

Matt Flynn (4 yr span) - Career 62.1 comp%, 1,015 Yards passiong, 7.7 yard average, 9td 5Int and 13 sacks.
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My response was going to be that stats are for losers. But If you really want to argue stats, then you need to look at the stats from the games started, no games where either guy came in to relieve the starter. In those games, Flynn is much better than Campbell.
 
Ilovemyfins4eva said:
i have inside information, lol.

in all seriousness, the way the guy is being hyped, he is going to want to be paid like that kind of money, and someone will, so say for example the seahawks offer him a contract, and then the skins, do, etc, that will only drive his price up.

if people were talking about me like that also id want to be paid big money.
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If you listen closely analysts are not really talking money but that Miami is the logical landing spot. Those that do talk finances all seem to agree he won't get Kolb money which was a huge mistakes by the Cards. My thoughts are he will get 7-8 mil over 3 years. That works for both sides as Flynn gets paid about where he stands amongst his peers and can do another contract before he is 30.

I will be amazed if anyone offers more then that.
 
MadDog 88 said:
If you listen closely analysts are not really talking money but that Miami is the logical landing spot. Those that do talk finances all seem to agree he won't get Kolb money which was a huge mistakes by the Cards. My thoughts are he will get 7-8 mil over 3 years. That works for both sides as Flynn gets paid about where he stands amongst his peers and can do another contract before he is 30.

I will be amazed if anyone offers more then that.
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He'll get a long term deal, probably 6 years. The real question will be guaranteed money. I'm expecting the deal to be about 6 years 50 mil, with about 14 mil guaranteed. This means that if Flynn bombs out, the deal basically becomes a two year, 14 million dollar deal.
 
vagrantprodigy said:
He'll get a long term deal, probably 6 years. The real question will be guaranteed money. I'm expecting the deal to be about 6 years 50 mil, with about 14 mil guaranteed. This means that if Flynn bombs out, the deal basically becomes a two year, 14 million dollar deal.
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This is another possibility but puts the numbers right about the same. Either way Flynn is not going to get a double figure salary and I'll be surprised if it is over 7-8 mil per year.
 
z0eboy said:
I looked at Matt Flynn's NFL highlights and he is an exact duplicate of Matt Moore. I say we go after Jason Campbell, it would be alot cheaper and he could definately compete to be the starter.
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Please No.
 
Demp444 said:
So it the Detroit game Flynn scored a TD 2 out of the 3 redzone trips and that is horrible to you? I'll take that ocer the Henne FG after FG redzone offense.
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That is worse then horrible. A good QB would have gotten at least 3 td's if not 4, lol. Good point.
 
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