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the packs not gonna tag flynn unless they have a wink wink trade on the table...
 
So M.Flynn's small sample of huge success isn't as good as B.Weeden's zero sample, zero success in the NFL at the young age of 28. I don't get that??


Flynn will not get tagged, period. It's the media that thinks this is a good idea, this is not coming from the FO. GB traditionally do not mess around with their cap, very rarely do they go out and get the big FA and I doubt they would want to chance no one offers them anything for M.Flynn. They didn't even want to tag J.Finley and he would have made less then the deal he signed.

I have zero interest in any trade for a QB unless it involves A.Luck. I will always side on Philbin...if he goes hard after Flynn then it has to be because he thinks he's the real deal.
 
I am not sure where you get we will be trading for Matt Flynn for a 2nd either. They will not franchise a back-up QB in my opinion. He will be a free agent.
 
3rdandinches said:
So M.Flynn's small sample of huge success isn't as good as B.Weeden's zero sample, zero success in the NFL at the young age of 28. I don't get that??


Flynn will not get tagged, period. It's the media that thinks this is a good idea, this is not coming from the FO. GB traditionally do not mess around with their cap, very rarely do they go out and get the big FA and I doubt they would want to chance no one offers them anything for M.Flynn. They didn't even want to tag J.Finley and he would have made less then the deal he signed.

I have zero interest in any trade for a QB unless it involves A.Luck. I will always side on Philbin...if he goes hard after Flynn then it has to be because he thinks he's the real deal.
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The short answer is yes, I'd rather have Brandon Weeden, especially considering the money and possible high draft pick that Flynn would cost us.
 
hooshoops said:
three things...you're not gonna be payin flynn $14 mil a year average in this contract...and i disagree with your assessment of how flynn played in the lions game...and finally it shouldn't matter anymore that flynn rode the pine at lsu...all that matters is what you do as a pro when you get your opportunity...no ones considering flynn as a pro cause of what he did in college from a production stand point
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That sounds eerily familiar- oh yeah, now I remember- Rick Spielman after the AJ Feeley trade.
 
Matt Flynn (to this point) = Scott Mitchell, Kevin Kolb, Matt Cassel & AJ Feeley

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a larger significant game sample size (Mitchell 7, Kolb, 7, Feeley almost 6 and Cassel 15) or equal/higher draft round taken... excepting Casssel.

Now if Philbin wants him, I guess I do too, but the attraction of potentially the next Scott Mitchell was no cost of acquisition. I'd be hard pressed to relinquish more than a 3rd outright, or preferably a 4th and someone like Merling if it becomes a trade scenario.
 
traptses said:
Well, I'll respectfully argue your thinking. You make very valid points, trading high draft picks for unproven QB's is a VERY risky move. But, you're calling him a one-game wonder. It actually was two starts. Now, that's not a huge improvement. But when you look at those two games, he played against, not great defenses, but they WERE both playoff teams. He won both games. In those two starts, he posted a 9:2 TD:INT ratio and a 68% completion percentage. One of those games, was against Detroit. In that game, he put up 6 TD's. Granted, the Lions defense isn't that great, but Rodgers played against that same defense 5 weeks earlier, along with 14 other teams, and never put up 6 TDs.

Now, I'm not saying Flynn is better than Rodgers. IMO, there are NO quarterbacks better than Rodgers right now. But, he does have the ability to play. As far as his ability to be a franchise QB, I'll leave that decision up to Philbin. He's worked with him for 4 years, so if he trusts that he's worth the risk, then why doubt him?
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He actually lost to New England and was sacked on the last play of the game
 
As I noted in the other thread, quoting 223 of Flynn's 480 yards in that game coming from yards after catch is a PERFECT example of quoting statistics without understanding them.

It's a statistic BY someone who doesn't understand it, MEANT for people that don't understand it.

About 47% of Aaron Rodgers' passing yards this season came from yards after catch. 223 of 480 = 46.5%. Almost identical.
 
14 million is the franchise tag number. That wont' be his per year salary. It'll be between 7 and 10 million. Also, I highly doubt they actually franchise him. Even if they do, there is a good chance they'll take a third round pick if he's not gone within a few days, due to their salary cap issues. Tagging him will put the pack over the cap.

The packers, prior to signing Finley, were a little less than 5 million under. That's about what they'll need to sign their rookies. In order to fit Finley, they'll need to cut both Driver and Clifton, or have them restructure down to vet minimum. If they do that, they'll have about 8 million, 3 million of which they can actually use. They also have their center leaving in FA.

Our cap situation is much better than that, and we're not considering tagging Soliai, who also has trade value.

The other issue is that if Flynn gets tagged, the NFLPA could get involved, file a grievance, and then the Pack could be stuck with him for the year at $14, which they under no circumstances can afford.

Overall, there are several ways this could really hurt GB. Unless they already have a basic deal worked out with another team, then tagging him makes absolutely no sense.


If they roll over their previous years surplus, they could gain an additional 5 million in cap space, but that's not enough to dig them out of a hole they could end up creating.
 
Yards after the catch is a product of system, quarterback and receiver, probably in that order. The system guides what routes are being run and how the ball is being thrown to the players. It's a simple fact of the matter that some routes are RAC routes and some are not. The quarterback has to make timely decisions, has to execute so the defense doesn't know what he's doing, and he has to get a CATCHABLE ball with great placement in order for the receiver to run after the catch. Then the receiver may or may not have to shake a tackler or two in order to get some extra yards.

No matter how you slice it, the Packers' surrounding cast got a LOT of help from Matt Flynn in that game. It was a game played without Greg Jennings, the team's most talented receiver. It was a game played against a team that wanted to win very badly.

There's clear bias going on here. If Aaron Rodgers has that game then it's a testament to his greatness. Aaron Rodgers had 47% of his yards after the catch but you don't hear people talking about how he is overrated and made by his supporting cast. The very next week Drew Brees reproduces Matt Flynn's performance against the same team and once again that's a testament to his being one of the best to ever play the game. Matt Flynn has that game and it's like, whatever, a bunch of his yards came after the catch. Clear bias.

And no, Flynn's stock is not based on one game. First off, it's two games. He had a 100 passer rating against a 14-2 football team that allowed 81 passer ratings form all the other QBs they faced that year. Secondly, it's probably just as much about the buzz coming out of Packers camps and preseason as it is the regular and preseason games. Fact of the matter is the GMs around the league have lots of friends no longer in the business and those friends are free to attend training camps and look at players. Those people become the eyes and ears for players making noise in camp that maybe you don't get a chance to see in the regular season much.

How do you think Matt Schaub gets traded to the Texans for MORE than two 2nd round picks? He didn't have appreciably more attempts than Matt Flynn. Schaub had 162 pass attempts in Atlanta, Flynn has 132 pass attempts in Green Bay. Schaub had 1033 yards, 6 TDs and 6 INTs coming out of Atlanta. Flynn has 1015 yards, 9 TDs and 5 INTs. How do you think Matt Hasselbeck garners 1st round trade interest not only of Mike Holmgren, who knew Hasselbeck from coaching him, but also Rick Spielman and Dave Wannstedt, who didn't know Hasselbeck at all? You think it was Hasselbeck's whopping 29 attempts in the regular season?
 
ckparrothead said:
Yards after the catch is a product of system, quarterback and receiver, probably in that order. The system guides what routes are being run and how the ball is being thrown to the players. It's a simple fact of the matter that some routes are RAC routes and some are not. The quarterback has to make timely decisions, has to execute so the defense doesn't know what he's doing, and he has to get a CATCHABLE ball with great placement in order for the receiver to run after the catch. Then the receiver may or may not have to shake a tackler or two in order to get some extra yards.

No matter how you slice it, the Packers' surrounding cast got a LOT of help from Matt Flynn in that game. It was a game played without Greg Jennings, the team's most talented receiver. It was a game played against a team that wanted to win very badly.

There's clear bias going on here. If Aaron Rodgers has that game then it's a testament to his greatness. Aaron Rodgers had 47% of his yards after the catch but you don't hear people talking about how he is overrated and made by his supporting cast. The very next week Drew Brees reproduces Matt Flynn's performance against the same team and once again that's a testament to his being one of the best to ever play the game. Matt Flynn has that game and it's like, whatever, a bunch of his yards came after the catch. Clear bias.

And no, Flynn's stock is not based on one game. First off, it's two games. He had a 100 passer rating against a 14-2 football team that allowed 81 passer ratings form all the other QBs they faced that year. Secondly, it's probably just as much about the buzz coming out of Packers camps and preseason as it is the regular and preseason games. Fact of the matter is the GMs around the league have lots of friends no longer in the business and those friends are free to attend training camps and look at players. Those people become the eyes and ears for players making noise in camp that maybe you don't get a chance to see in the regular season much.

How do you think Matt Schaub gets traded to the Texans for MORE than two 2nd round picks? He didn't have appreciably more attempts than Matt Flynn. Schaub had 162 pass attempts in Atlanta, Flynn has 132 pass attempts in Green Bay. Schaub had 1033 yards, 6 TDs and 6 INTs coming out of Atlanta. Flynn has 1015 yards, 9 TDs and 5 INTs. How do you think Matt Hasselbeck garners 1st round trade interest not only of Mike Holmgren, who knew Hasselbeck from coaching him, but also Rick Spielman and Dave Wannstedt, who didn't know Hasselbeck at all? You think it was Hasselbeck's whopping 29 attempts in the regular season?
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exactly...definitely bias here...if its rodgers he's gods gift to the position if its flynn he's a product of the system and talent around him...that kind of stuff doesn't fly with me
 
jim1 said:
I remain amazed at the furor and salivation over Matt Flynn. Not only the thought of signing him to a long term deal paying roughly $14,000,000 a year, but the current twist as well, the added reach-around of possibly coughing up a 2nd rd pick for this one game wonder. Screw that.


No matter how one dissects it or attempts to justify it, this is a former 7th rd pick and one game wonder who has created a furor over one great game, a meaningless game for the Packers- I've heard the whole Lions avoiding the Saints argument, but as per Flynn and the Packers, the pressure was off in some ways, in other ways it was on in that Flynn had his opportunity to make a FA impression. No matter how you cut it, the Packers had nothing to lose in pumping up Flynn's value- now, low and behold, they might want a 2nd rd pick for his services? They can shove it.

Here's some food for thought as per Flynn and his marvelous one game, and to whether or not he's worth devoting $14,000,000 a year for and the nauseating prospect of throwing a much needed 2nd rd pick into the mix for him, a pick I'd much rather use on Brandon Weeden or Coby Fleener:
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This is an inaccurate portrayal of what is actually happening. You have taken the thoughts of posters prior to and the news rumor released yesterday and mixed them. In an earlier thread most that like Flynn and feel he is the best option (myself included) made it clear if the Pack tags him its time to move to a different option. I have not seen anyone salivating over Flynn at 14 mil and at least one pick.

Keep in mind rumor has Manning as the first option and Flynn second. I seriously doubt there is anything to the franchise tag story because it would cause serious issues economically and personally if it backfired. If by some chance it does occur and the Dolphins do miss on both, the options may be Moore, Tannehill, Weeden or a combination of the three. I honestly believe that Weeden only has a shot at coming to South Beach is if they miss on Manning, Flynn and Tannehill.
 
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