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Football Outsiders: NFL's Most Underrated/Overrated

Yeah...not an insider. I'm assuming there are some Dolphins on the list?
 
i am an insider. prolly cancellin soon

Overrated
Vontae Davis, Miami Dolphins
Scouts Inc. grades have Davis as one of the top 10 cornerbacks in the league. That may be true when it comes to raw talent, but like a lot of young cornerbacks, Davis' early performance hasn't quite reflected that talent level.

According to Football Outsiders game charting, Davis ranked 61st in adjusted yards per pass allowed last year, and 71st in adjusted success rate in coverage.

He also had nine broken tackles, which is a lot for a cornerback.

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also overrated.....

Brandon Marshall, Dolphins
Marshall comes out ninth among wide receivers in the Scouts Inc. rankings. He puts up big standard numbers with lots of yards and touchdowns.

But that's because he's always been the focal point of his team's offense, both in Denver and last year in Miami.

He ranked just 34th in DYAR last year and has never ranked higher than 24th. Sure, some of that has to do with all the attention he gets from opposing defenses, but Marshall's advanced stats just don't match those of the wide receivers with higher Scouts Inc. grades, such as Hakeem Nicks (10th in Scouts Inc. rankings, sixth in 2010 DYAR) and Mike Wallace (eighth in Scouts Inc. rankings, first in 2010 DYAR).

Aaron Schatz covers the NFL for ESPN Insider. He is the creator and president of Football Outsiders, which he launched in 2003. He contributes regularly to ESPN The Magazine, and his work has also appeared in such places as The New York Times, Slate and the Boston Globe. You can find his ESPN archives here, and follow him on Twitter here.
 
insomnizak said:
i am an insider. prolly cancellin soon

Overrated
Vontae Davis, Miami Dolphins
Scouts Inc. grades have Davis as one of the top 10 cornerbacks in the league. That may be true when it comes to raw talent, but like a lot of young cornerbacks, Davis' early performance hasn't quite reflected that talent level.

According to Football Outsiders game charting, Davis ranked 61st in adjusted yards per pass allowed last year, and 71st in adjusted success rate in coverage.

He also had nine broken tackles, which is a lot for a cornerback.

---------- Post added at 10:47 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:46 PM ----------

also overrated.....

Brandon Marshall, Dolphins
Marshall comes out ninth among wide receivers in the Scouts Inc. rankings. He puts up big standard numbers with lots of yards and touchdowns.

But that's because he's always been the focal point of his team's offense, both in Denver and last year in Miami.

He ranked just 34th in DYAR last year and has never ranked higher than 24th. Sure, some of that has to do with all the attention he gets from opposing defenses, but Marshall's advanced stats just don't match those of the wide receivers with higher Scouts Inc. grades, such as Hakeem Nicks (10th in Scouts Inc. rankings, sixth in 2010 DYAR) and Mike Wallace (eighth in Scouts Inc. rankings, first in 2010 DYAR).

Aaron Schatz covers the NFL for ESPN Insider. He is the creator and president of Football Outsiders, which he launched in 2003. He contributes regularly to ESPN The Magazine, and his work has also appeared in such places as The New York Times, Slate and the Boston Globe. You can find his ESPN archives here, and follow him on Twitter here.
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Retarded stat. Yards per catch allowed? How bout yards per coverage snap which is the best measurement iyam.
 
insomnizak said:
i am an insider. prolly cancellin soon
:lol2:
Overrated
Vontae Davis, Miami Dolphins
Scouts Inc. grades have Davis as one of the top 10 cornerbacks in the league. That may be true when it comes to raw talent, but like a lot of young cornerbacks, Davis' early performance hasn't quite reflected that talent level.

According to Football Outsiders game charting, Davis ranked 61st in adjusted yards per pass allowed last year, and 71st in adjusted success rate in coverage.

He also had nine broken tackles, which is a lot for a cornerback.

---------- Post added at 10:47 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:46 PM ----------

also overrated.....

Brandon Marshall, Dolphins
Marshall comes out ninth among wide receivers in the Scouts Inc. rankings. He puts up big standard numbers with lots of yards and touchdowns.

But that's because he's always been the focal point of his team's offense, both in Denver and last year in Miami.

He ranked just 34th in DYAR last year and has never ranked higher than 24th. Sure, some of that has to do with all the attention he gets from opposing defenses, but Marshall's advanced stats just don't match those of the wide receivers with higher Scouts Inc. grades, such as Hakeem Nicks (10th in Scouts Inc. rankings, sixth in 2010 DYAR) and Mike Wallace (eighth in Scouts Inc. rankings, first in 2010 DYAR).

Aaron Schatz covers the NFL for ESPN Insider. He is the creator and president of Football Outsiders, which he launched in 2003. He contributes regularly to ESPN The Magazine, and his work has also appeared in such places as The New York Times, Slate and the Boston Globe. You can find his ESPN archives here, and follow him on Twitter here.
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Lmao Davis and Marshall overrated Wow...
 
beanh8er said:
Retarded stat. Yards per catch allowed? How bout yards per coverage snap which is the best measurement iyam.
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The thing is, there's no real easy way to determine with perfect accuracy who's on the field on each play. Certainly not from the TV feed, which is where they get their data.

I agree it's not perfect, but it's a good indicator.
 
Overrated-
Vontae Davis- he is ranked top 10 in the league. no way can that be true, he plays for the Dolphins
Brandon Marshall- See above

Underrated-
Mark Sanchez- We love the jets and this guy is a "winner"


espn sucks. plain and simple
 
Brandon Marshall, Dolphins
He puts up big standard numbers with lots of yards and touchdowns.

Um. Isnt that what good players do? To say Brandon Marshall is not one of the best WR's in the league is a complete joke. Top 5 talent, hopefully Henne can get him the ball and he can put up top 5 numbers this year.
 
Fearthephins34 said:
Overrated-
Vontae Davis- he is ranked top 10 in the league. no way can that be true, he plays for the Dolphins
Brandon Marshall- See above

Underrated-
Mark Sanchez- We love the jets and this guy is a "winner"


espn sucks. plain and simple
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Please don't put forth arguments without merit. Yes, it was on ESPN, but these guys are not mainstream media. They delve really deep into tape and statistics to form their opinions, and they certainly don't "love" or "hate" someone. They just speak from what the evidence shows.

FWIW, they consider Sanchez one of the most overrated players in the league.
 
dolphone said:
Please don't put forth arguments without merit. Yes, it was on ESPN, but these guys are not mainstream media. They delve really deep into tape and statistics to form their opinions, and they certainly don't "love" or "hate" someone. They just speak from what the evidence shows.

FWIW, they consider Sanchez one of the most overrated players in the league.
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Ok how about the fact that 2 years ago (with good QB play) Marshall was considered a top 5 reviecer in the league. He's just hitting his prime and is one of the most talented wideouts in the game. Is he overrated in fantasy football? Maybe. But player wise he's still elite. Just because his stats don't prove so doesn't mean he isn't elite. ESPN tends to just look at stats, but as a wideout it doesn't matter who you are, you have to have a decent QB. As far as vontae. He's a freak athletically. How can a guy be overrated in his 2nd year, and first under a new coordinator?
 
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