For all of you who want to clean house...

[jason_taylor]

As to the first point, are you saying the Dolphins aren't getting better for the future? With the whole youth movement going on around here?

As to the second point, you aren't really answering anything... who is out there who is:

1) Noticeably better
2) Available
3) Willing

?

) Noticeably better = Cowher ,Gruden, Fisher
2) Available = Cowher, Gruden , Fisher
3) Willing = Cowher, Gruden, Fisher

 

[Gonzo]

Rex inherited a pretty damn good defense. That is what carries the Jets. He also has a pretty damn good tight end and two solid wideouts. Miami doesn't have a solid defense, a consistent tight end, nor do we have a number 2 wideout. Add to the fact that a new coach usually means the exodus of old players from the previous regime, namely qb and other players that don't fit the scheme of the new coach.

Ryan, fell into a much better situation than a new coach would find in Miami. Also if we blew the organization up and were actually able to draft Luck, we are implying he would be able to handle the NFL game like Sanchez turned out to do. That is a rarity....

So basically, even if we stay with Sparano ( ), we'll still need to spend 3-4 years to rebuild. Pretty much destroys the OP's argument.

 

[Gonzo]

So far, the only argument I see for keeping Sparano is that "there isn't anybody else out there." You really can't see what's wrong with that? Sounds like something an desperate fat girl would say when a friend confronts her about dating a douchebag. Just dump him. And lose some ****ing weight (Ireland and Henne).

 

[Pachyderm_Wave]

I'm at least ready to give him the whole season to see what will happen. Losing (and competitively at that) to teams that probably will end up as the two top seeds in the conference doesn't send me into panic mode.

Note that I'm not blind to the mistakes made today (some of them by the coaching staff, and some of them specifically by Sparano) but the results on these two previous games confirm my feeling of a winning season.

As am I... but for a completely different reason I would assume. Before the season even started I said that Miami should stick with this incompetent slush and let him finish the season come hell or high water. Firing him mid-season does no good. There isn't a quick fix.

Firing him only gives the illusion that the interim (probably Nolan) is a good head coach if the team rebounds once Sparano is canned. You'll win a bunch of meaningless games that only put you further out of reach of acquiring one of the two legitimate franchise caliber quarterbacks that are potentially going to be entering the draft.

Miami just gave Sparano a contract extension, after trying to replace him. Firing him mid-season only makes Miami look even more stupid.... although that probably doesn't even matter at this point anyway.

Stick with Sparano and let him put you in position to get what you desperately need. A franchise quarterback. Then put the boot in his a** after he does you a solid and locks up that top 5 pick.


There are a number of candidates out there that are an upgrade over Sparano. If you think I'm exaggerating when I say that I see high school coaches every Friday night around here that understand how to manage a football game in crunch time better than the current head coach of the Miami Dolphins, I'm not.

However, I'd love to see a guy like Jeff Fisher in Miami. I know what a bum rap he got from the Titans and Bud Adams. He's so much better than Sparano at the little things, and it's not even close.

Furthermore, I'd like to see Miami hire a GM like Tom Heckert, and let him hire his own coach. The point is that he flushes out the stench of Parcells and his lapdogs... every single one of 'em.

Continuity is overrated... I'll use the coach I just named as my top candidate as proof that continuity is overrated.... because it starts at the top. If you get the right coach and the right quarterback right off the bat (Atlanta, N.Y. Jets, New Orleans, etc.)..... you're off and running. You'll be competing and winning in no time.

However, you can stick with the same morons for decades and you won't get anywhere if they're the wrong people. Miami has the wrong people.

 

[dolpns13]

We aren't competitive now! Back to back 7-9 seasons, can't win at home! This team is vastly overrated among its fan base! The rest of the country isn't fooled by this 6 win smoke screen!

This!!!!! Fans think we are better than Buffalo, Detriot, Cleveland, etc... and we are not.

 

[NY8123]

As am I... but for a completely different reason I would assume. Before the season even started I said that Miami should stick with this incompetent slush and let him finish the season come hell or high water. Firing him mid-season does no good. There isn't a quick fix.

Firing him only gives the illusion that the interim (probably Nolan) is a good head coach if the team rebounds once Sparano is canned. You'll win a bunch of meaningless games that only put you further out of reach of acquiring one of the two legitimate franchise caliber quarterbacks that are potentially going to be entering the draft.

Miami just gave Sparano a contract extension, after trying to replace him. Firing him mid-season only makes Miami look even more stupid.... although that probably doesn't even matter at this point anyway.

Stick with Sparano and let him put you in position to get what you desperately need. A franchise quarterback. Then put the boot in his a** after he does you a solid and locks up that top 5 pick.


There are a number of candidates out there that are an upgrade over Sparano. If you think I'm exaggerating when I say that I see high school coaches every Friday night around here that understand how to manage a football game in crunch time better than the current head coach of the Miami Dolphins, I'm not.

However, I'd love to see a guy like Jeff Fisher in Miami. I know what a bum rap he got from the Titans and Bud Adams. He's so much better than Sparano at the little things, and it's not even close.

Furthermore, I'd like to see Miami hire a GM like Tom Heckert, and let him hire his own coach. The point is that he flushes out the stench of Parcells and his lapdogs... every single one of 'em.

Continuity is overrated... I'll use the coach I just named as my top candidate as proof that continuity is overrated.... because it starts at the top. If you get the right coach and the right quarterback right off the bat (Atlanta, N.Y. Jets, New Orleans, etc.)..... you're off and running. You'll be competing and winning in no time.

However, you can stick with the same morons for decades and you won't get anywhere if they're the wrong people. Miami has the wrong people.

Sadly I wanted this season to be the year, the year everything gelled and came together. The year that Miami made a believer out of the pundits and the year that put to rest many of the long term questions about the team.

But the writing was there in plain black and white to read.

It is unacceptable that Miami doesn't have a dominate line after investing so much into building the front 5.

It is unacceptable that the defense looks as porous as a spaghetti strainer after sinking so much into building a physical D-line, bringing in a whole new linebacker corps and spending several picks and signings on the secondary.

It is unacceptable that the special teams play is still average at best after turning the bottom 1/3 of the roster over and over and over until there is zero continuity.


and the cause of the inadequacy is directly correlated to the unacceptable coaching that starts at the top down, there is no reason this team should not be a contender after 4 years of building, zero. Losing the first two games by a field goal or in OT is one thing but to be blatantly man handled by two teams picked to win it all says one thing "son you have some growing to do if you want to play with the big boys"......and that my friends is unacceptable.

 

[BARF]

i would keep daboll i like his offense he just needs the right qb to run it, maybe keep nolan, at least they kind of have a clue, and get rid of ****** who doesn't know wtf he is doing

 

[dolphone]

Immediate BAN!!!!

I called it a couple weeks ago. I said if I had to post this again because one more person compares the current BS running our team to Cowher it should be a ban.

You dont fire a dude who does the following in his first few seasons somewhere...........



Do you catch on? See any difference from what Moron O has done so far? Dude went to a SUPER BOWL with Neil ****ing ODonell as his QB. NEIL ODONELL. HE ALMOST WON TOO. 6 playoffs in a row to start his career. YOU DONT FIRE THAT GUY!!!!!

You should be banned.

Nice to know there are such open minded people on the forums. Lovely.

 

[dolphone]

As am I... but for a completely different reason I would assume. Before the season even started I said that Miami should stick with this incompetent slush and let him finish the season come hell or high water. Firing him mid-season does no good. There isn't a quick fix.

Firing him only gives the illusion that the interim (probably Nolan) is a good head coach if the team rebounds once Sparano is canned. You'll win a bunch of meaningless games that only put you further out of reach of acquiring one of the two legitimate franchise caliber quarterbacks that are potentially going to be entering the draft.

Miami just gave Sparano a contract extension, after trying to replace him. Firing him mid-season only makes Miami look even more stupid.... although that probably doesn't even matter at this point anyway.

Stick with Sparano and let him put you in position to get what you desperately need. A franchise quarterback. Then put the boot in his a** after he does you a solid and locks up that top 5 pick.


There are a number of candidates out there that are an upgrade over Sparano. If you think I'm exaggerating when I say that I see high school coaches every Friday night around here that understand how to manage a football game in crunch time better than the current head coach of the Miami Dolphins, I'm not.

However, I'd love to see a guy like Jeff Fisher in Miami. I know what a bum rap he got from the Titans and Bud Adams. He's so much better than Sparano at the little things, and it's not even close.

Furthermore, I'd like to see Miami hire a GM like Tom Heckert, and let him hire his own coach. The point is that he flushes out the stench of Parcells and his lapdogs... every single one of 'em.

Continuity is overrated... I'll use the coach I just named as my top candidate as proof that continuity is overrated.... because it starts at the top. If you get the right coach and the right quarterback right off the bat (Atlanta, N.Y. Jets, New Orleans, etc.)..... you're off and running. You'll be competing and winning in no time.

However, you can stick with the same morons for decades and you won't get anywhere if they're the wrong people. Miami has the wrong people.

Fair enough.

To be honest I like Fisher as well. I think he's a fine coach and he can turn a team into a consistent winner. But then again, so is Schottenheimer, and the knock on him is that he never could win the big one. I still remember a time when the fans clamored for Jimmy Johnson because Shula couldn't get us over the hump, and lo and behold - Johnson came in and cleaned house. He turned the team into a contender, but it happened after a couple of years. And he never did find a replacement for Marino.

My overall point is that there is no silver bullet. Even Shula - in my mind, the greatest coach the NFL has ever seen - was blessed with some incredible talent during his run. Not just players - Arnsparger, Joe Thomas, quality people that together built a great team. And there's no magic formula for a Superbowl. Hell, Belichick has had some great teams lately, and he can't get there. Yes, he's in contention - but as I said before, I remember a time when we were in contention consistently, and *that* wasn't enough for fans.

I haven't yet lost faith in Sparano. He is who he is - a coach that often recedes into his "play not to lose" mentality, and gets beaten because of it. But he has many positives as well, and for all the (well deserved) bile we throw at him, it's Nolan who deserves most of the blame for the past two losses. Sparano's OL - and I have no illusions to think it isn't his - is crappy, and he deserves to be scorned for it, but the offense quite frankly has run decent even with it. Perhaps we shouldn't clamor to high heaven when the team drafts linemen in the 1st...

I remember reading comparisons of this season to Cameron's 2007 and Wannstedt's 2004. But this team is neither in complete disarray like 4 years ago, nor is it bereft of talent or imagination like in '04. It's a good, talented squad that has performed horribly against two of the top offenses in the league, teams that might well end up as the two top seeds in the AFC. I'm not ready to take that as a referendum on the entire regime or the entire season - let's see where we are at year's end and work from there. But knee jerk reactions, understandable as they are after losses, get us nowhere.

 

[Pachyderm_Wave]

Fair enough.

To be honest I like Fisher as well. I think he's a fine coach and he can turn a team into a consistent winner. But then again, so is Schottenheimer, and the knock on him is that he never could win the big one. I still remember a time when the fans clamored for Jimmy Johnson because Shula couldn't get us over the hump, and lo and behold - Johnson came in and cleaned house. He turned the team into a contender, but it happened after a couple of years. And he never did find a replacement for Marino.

My overall point is that there is no silver bullet. Even Shula - in my mind, the greatest coach the NFL has ever seen - was blessed with some incredible talent during his run. Not just players - Arnsparger, Joe Thomas, quality people that together built a great team. And there's no magic formula for a Superbowl. Hell, Belichick has had some great teams lately, and he can't get there. Yes, he's in contention - but as I said before, I remember a time when we were in contention consistently, and *that* wasn't enough for fans.

I haven't yet lost faith in Sparano. He is who he is - a coach that often recedes into his "play not to lose" mentality, and gets beaten because of it. But he has many positives as well, and for all the (well deserved) bile we throw at him, it's Nolan who deserves most of the blame for the past two losses. Sparano's OL - and I have no illusions to think it isn't his - is crappy, and he deserves to be scorned for it, but the offense quite frankly has run decent even with it. Perhaps we shouldn't clamor to high heaven when the team drafts linemen in the 1st...

I remember reading comparisons of this season to Cameron's 2007 and Wannstedt's 2004. But this team is neither in complete disarray like 4 years ago, nor is it bereft of talent or imagination like in '04. It's a good, talented squad that has performed horribly against two of the top offenses in the league, teams that might well end up as the two top seeds in the AFC. I'm not ready to take that as a referendum on the entire regime or the entire season - let's see where we are at year's end and work from there. But knee jerk reactions, understandable as they are after losses, get us nowhere.

This isn't the same Miami Dolphins organization that it was 30 years ago with the Robbie Family. That is dead and gone, never to be seen again.

The Miami Dolphins ARE the new Bengals, Lions, etc. of the 90's.


Jimmy Johnson wasn't allowed to find a replacement for Marino. He was hired to win Marino a superbowl, by building a defense and running game around him. Marino wasn't Marino by then... he was a shell of his former self. But Jimmy wasn't allowed to replace Marino... they clashed constantly. Marino WAS the Miami Dolphins, and Jimmy was seen as the villain and would've been burned at the stake had he tried to replace Marino.


Merely being in contention wasn't enough when you have a quarterback like Marino in his prime for a decade plus like Shula did... nor should it have been. Shula at least should have put a defense together that could hold the Bills to under 35 points in the playoffs, and gotten rid of Olivadotti.

These last 2 games aren't exactly what anyone is basing their opinions on, nor knee jerk reactions. It's a 3 year body of work, that's only getting worse. Sparano isn't improving as a head coach.

Pay attention.... we're calling these things before they happen. It's not catching me off guard, it never did. It's playing out exactly like I said it would. Literally almost everything.

You're not going to like how this turns out. I'm just telling you.

Do whatever you want with it....

 

[dolphone]

This isn't the same Miami Dolphins organization that it was 30 years ago with the Robbie Family. That is dead and gone, never to be seen again.

The Miami Dolphins ARE the new Bengals, Lions, etc. of the 90's.


Jimmy Johnson wasn't allowed to find a replacement for Marino. He was hired to win Marino a superbowl, by building a defense and running game around him. Marino wasn't Marino by then... he was a shell of his former self. But Jimmy wasn't allowed to replace Marino... they clashed constantly. Marino WAS the Miami Dolphins, and Jimmy was seen as the villain and would've been burned at the stake had he tried to replace Marino.


Merely being in contention wasn't enough when you have a quarterback like Marino in his prime for a decade plus like Shula did... nor should it have been. Shula at least should have put a defense together that could hold the Bills to under 35 points in the playoffs, and gotten rid of Olivadotti.

These last 2 games aren't exactly what anyone is basing their opinions on, nor knee jerk reactions. It's a 3 year body of work, that's only getting worse. Sparano isn't improving as a head coach.

Pay attention.... we're calling these things before they happen. It's not catching me off guard, it never did. It's playing out exactly like I said it would. Literally almost everything.

You're not going to like how this turns out. I'm just telling you.

Do whatever you want with it....

Oh please.

If Carpenter makes those field goals and Marshall holds on to the first ball, you'd see much fewer bile in the forums today. If we pull out the Texans game in *any* way, it would be a very different feeling.

Again, I'm not ready to make judgements after two games into the season. We haven't been beaten down like the Colts or Chiefs. We have faced much better competition than most teams so far.

You have no crystal ball any more than anyone else. Believe what you want, and we'll see after the season.

 

[Pachyderm_Wave]

Oh please.

If Carpenter makes those field goals and Marshall holds on to the first ball, you'd see much fewer bile in the forums today. If we pull out the Texans game in *any* way, it would be a very different feeling.

Again, I'm not ready to make judgements after two games into the season. We haven't been beaten down like the Colts or Chiefs. We have faced much better competition than most teams so far.

You have no crystal ball any more than anyone else. Believe what you want, and we'll see after the season.

"If"... "If".... "If"....


You can do that after every loss.... there's only a handfull of plays in an NFL game that determine the outcome. Good teams make those plays most of the time...

Average/bad teams come away playing the what if game most of the time.


Sparano is outcoached every week.... this isn't an issue that just popped up this season.


You don't need a crystal ball... all you need is an eye ball.... and it requires pulling yourself out of denial.


Why in the hell you people have such a struggle with these things is very perplexing to me. These things aren't difficult at all to figure out.

 

[dolphone]

"If"... "If".... "If"....


You can do that after every loss.... there's only a handfull of plays in an NFL game that determine the outcome. Good teams make those plays most of the time...

Average/bad teams come away playing the what if game most of the time.


Sparano is outcoached every week.... this isn't an issue that just popped up this season.


You don't need a crystal ball... all you need is an eye ball.... and it requires pulling yourself out of denial.


Why in the hell you people have such a struggle with these things is very perplexing to me. These things aren't difficult at all to figure out.

Sure, which is why the defending Superbowl champ was 16-0 last year, right? Oh, you're right, they went 10-6. Mediocre record, and lousy luck in more than enough games.

Wait, the Colts were a *great* team just a couple of years ago, right? Superbowl bound and all that. Guess they're not a good team anymore. Or were they a bad team masked by a fantastic player?

Philadelphia sure is a great team, always a contender. Maclin must've made that catch yesterday.

Pittsburgh got humilliated by Baltimore! Crisis! But wait, they cleaned up the lesser Seahawks. Confusing. And Baltimore got smacked by the lowly Titans...

It's TWO GAMES. You can pretend all you want that winning even one of those games wouldn't have made a difference, but I call *that* delusional.

 

[SkapePhin]

Oh please.

If Carpenter makes those field goals and Marshall holds on to the first ball, you'd see much fewer bile in the forums today. If we pull out the Texans game in *any* way, it would be a very different feeling.

Again, I'm not ready to make judgements after two games into the season. We haven't been beaten down like the Colts or Chiefs. We have faced much better competition than most teams so far.

You have no crystal ball any more than anyone else. Believe what you want, and we'll see after the season.

IF, IF, IF! Aren't you tired of IFS by now! I sure as hell am. Ya, the Dolphins are undefeated in some alternate universe where IFs became reality, but not in THIS universe... Too bad I live in this universe!

 

[Pachyderm_Wave]

Sure, which is why the defending Superbowl champ was 16-0 last year, right? Oh, you're right, they went 10-6. Mediocre record, and lousy luck in more than enough games.

Wait, the Colts were a *great* team just a couple of years ago, right? Superbowl bound and all that. Guess they're not a good team anymore. Or were they a bad team masked by a fantastic player?

Philadelphia sure is a great team, always a contender. Maclin must've made that catch yesterday.

Pittsburgh got humilliated by Baltimore! Crisis! But wait, they cleaned up the lesser Seahawks. Confusing. And Baltimore got smacked by the lowly Titans...

It's TWO GAMES. You can pretend all you want that winning even one of those games wouldn't have made a difference, but I call *that* delusional.

We'll damn sure find out who's delusional...