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How can some of you compare him to Ryan Leaf or Akili Smith. All this guy did was start 4 seasons for one of the most prestegious football teams in the country.

Can anyone name a 4 year starter at a top D1 college that was a bust in the NFL. Leaf, Akili were 1 year wonders.

4 year starters that I can think of: Peyton, Rivers
 
Cade Mcnown?

But besides that, u are right . . . he should transition very well to the NFL, and be a very good QB for someone. I hope that someone is us . . . . but not at the cost of giving up our whole first day draft and part of the 08 first day draft.
 
I don't want to pull a New York Giants-type of trade and trade everything we got for this guy.

Though IMO Brady Quinn is much more worthy of that type of trade then Eli Manning.
 
Dolfansal said:
How can some of you compare him to Ryan Leaf or Akili Smith. All this guy did was start 4 seasons for one of the most prestegious football teams in the country.

Can anyone name a 4 year starter at a top D1 college that was a bust in the NFL. Leaf, Akili were 1 year wonders.

4 year starters that I can think of: Peyton, Rivers
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How about Notre Dame's last 4-yr starter -- Ron Powlus. I think Rick Mirer was a 3-yr. starter -- I'm not sure there's a material difference between a 3 yr. starter and a 4 yr. starter.

We can limit it to the state of Florida and still come up with a bunch of others: Ken Dorsey (although he only started a few games as a freshman), Kerwin Bell and Chris Rix. I suspect we'll be able to add Chris Leak to that list in a few years.

Being a 4-yr starter in D1 is far from a guarantee of NFL success. That doesn't mean Quinn won't succeed, but college success doesn't necessarily translate to the NFL. As with most QBs, I think his success or failure will likely hinge on the situation he finds himself in. If he's on a bad team with a poor OL and mediocre receivers, he's unlikely to overcome that.
 
Fineas said:
How about Notre Dame's last 4-yr starter -- Ron Powlus. I think Rick Mirer was a 3-yr. starter -- I'm not sure there's a material difference between a 3 yr. starter and a 4 yr. starter.

We can limit it to the state of Florida and still come up with a bunch of others: Ken Dorsey (although he only started a few games as a freshman), Kerwin Bell and Chris Rix. I suspect we'll be able to add Chris Leak to that list in a few years.

Being a 4-yr starter in D1 is far from a guarantee of NFL success. That doesn't mean Quinn won't succeed, but college success doesn't necessarily translate to the NFL. As with most QBs, I think his success or failure will likely hinge on the situation he finds himself in. If he's on a bad team with a poor OL and mediocre receivers, he's unlikely to overcome that.
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not sure how many years joe montana started for the irish but you never know, i strongly feel the dolphins should at least give it there best shot moving up in the draft and make quinn a miami dolphin
 
First, he may have been a 4 year starter....but his first two years stunk...not until Weiss came into the picture did his stat's improve....the question is....now without Weiss...what will happen....will he continue to improve or go back to his old ways.
 
fishypete said:
First, he may have been a 4 year starter....but his first two years stunk...not until Weiss came into the picture did his stat's improve....the question is....now without Weiss...what will happen....will he continue to improve or go back to his old ways.
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What old ways are those? Playing for a bad coach on a terrible team and being thrown into the fire?

Come off it.
 
Fineas said:
How about Notre Dame's last 4-yr starter -- Ron Powlus. I think Rick Mirer was a 3-yr. starter -- I'm not sure there's a material difference between a 3 yr. starter and a 4 yr. starter.

We can limit it to the state of Florida and still come up with a bunch of others: Ken Dorsey (although he only started a few games as a freshman), Kerwin Bell and Chris Rix. I suspect we'll be able to add Chris Leak to that list in a few years.

Being a 4-yr starter in D1 is far from a guarantee of NFL success. That doesn't mean Quinn won't succeed, but college success doesn't necessarily translate to the NFL. As with most QBs, I think his success or failure will likely hinge on the situation he finds himself in. If he's on a bad team with a poor OL and mediocre receivers, he's unlikely to overcome that.
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I know you're not saying this but there is no comparison between Quinn and Powlus as NFL prospects.
 
I think that Quinn has too good of a work ethic to fail in the nfl, but that is my opinion. Work ethic is everything. I love how Quinn is serious about what he does, reminds me of peyton manning. And thats not a bad person to be compared to. As I say all of this, I also firmly believe that where a rookie qb goes (teamwise) can really influence their career. I believe that Quinn can really succeed here in Miami with the tutelage of Cam. I have a different feeling about how his career might turn out if he gets drafted by the lions per se.
 
Dolfansal said:
How can some of you compare him to Ryan Leaf or Akili Smith. All this guy did was start 4 seasons for one of the most prestegious football teams in the country.

Can anyone name a 4 year starter at a top D1 college that was a bust in the NFL. Leaf, Akili were 1 year wonders.

4 year starters that I can think of: Peyton, Rivers
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I don't think it's the 4 years that distinguishes him. The fact that he's a workout warrior, game film nut, and he makes good decisions on the field are what make him worthy of a trade up or the 9th in my opinion.

Calling him Ryan Leaf or Akili Smith shows tremendous ignorance. Leaf was a cannon arm with no mind to go with it and Smith was a Tedford project (see AJ Feeley, etc). Quinn is a cerebral QB along the lines of Tom Brady and Peyton Manning.
 
Regan21286 said:
I don't think it's the 4 years that distinguishes him. The fact that he's a workout warrior, game film nut, and he makes good decisions on the field are what make him worthy of a trade up or the 9th in my opinion.

Calling him Ryan Leaf or Akili Smith shows tremendous ignorance. Leaf was a cannon arm with no mind to go with it and Smith was a Tedford project (see AJ Feeley, etc). Quinn is a cerebral QB along the lines of Tom Brady and Peyton Manning.
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Which is exactly why Jamarcus Russell is Ryan Leaf v2.

Man, I want Brady Quinn SO bad. I keep goingback and forth on what to give up for him though. On one hand, I don't want to give up a bunch of picks because NOBODY, no matter how good they look, is a sure thing. On the other hand, we NEED a franchise QB. Face it, it's been our most consistant problem area since Marino left, all the other positional problems (DB for example) have been on and off problems (DBs have just recently become a problem in the past few seasons, we had an EXCELLENT defensive backfield before that) but QB has been the constant problem for EIGHT YEARS and I cannot BELIEVE it would even take HALF that long to address the problem, nevermind 7 years and then CULEPPER is supposed to be the fix?

When are we going to be in position to ge another guy of Quinn's calibur? People can say Brohm next year and yadda yadda, but whos to say something doesn't click this season and we have a late run and go 8-8 or 9-7, or even 7-9, putting us in the middle of round 1 next year. Then what? Do we "trade the farm" to move up for Brohm? I think we need to act NOW and jump on Quinn, because he is RIGHT THERE. There is NO prediciting the future, therefore no way of saying "oh pass on Quinn, Brohm in '08".

Like people already said, this team will not be fixed with one draft, so we might as well go for Quinn this time and fill other needs with the remeaining picks, then we have our franchise QB which is BY FAR the most glaring need, so next draft we can focus on whatever else we need that we didn't fill in this year. I'm not saying give up the entire first day and half the second day, but round 1 and both 2nds or round one and a 2nd and 3rd or something I would gladly do at this point because I am sick of our "QBs" costing us games.

Ideally he slips past the top 3 and then we don't have to worry about giving up crazy amounts of picks, because we could move up to 4 with just a swap of 1st rounder and our #40, but we prolly don't need to because TB and Arizona don't need QBs, so we really need to look at #6, so we can jump ahead of Minny, and all that would take is a 1st round swap and our 3rd rounder. If anyone wouldn't do that for Quinn they are CRAZY. With the scenerio we could potentially take Quinn in 1, and Ryan Kalil (USC center) and Anthony Gonzalez (OSU WR) in round 2. BOOM, 3 big needs filled in our first three picks.
 
Agent51 said:
Which is exactly why Jamarcus Russell is Ryan Leaf v2.

Man, I want Brady Quinn SO bad. I keep goingback and forth on what to give up for him though. On one hand, I don't want to give up a bunch of picks because NOBODY, no matter how good they look, is a sure thing. On the other hand, we NEED a franchise QB. Face it, it's been our most consistant problem area since Marino left, all the other positional problems (DB for example) have been on and off problems (DBs have just recently become a problem in the past few seasons, we had an EXCELLENT defensive backfield before that) but QB has been the constant problem for EIGHT YEARS and I cannot BELIEVE it would even take HALF that long to address the problem, nevermind 7 years and then CULEPPER is supposed to be the fix?

When are we going to be in position to ge another guy of Quinn's calibur? People can say Brohm next year and yadda yadda, but whos to say something doesn't click this season and we have a late run and go 8-8 or 9-7, or even 7-9, putting us in the middle of round 1 next year. Then what? Do we "trade the farm" to move up for Brohm? I think we need to act NOW and jump on Quinn, because he is RIGHT THERE. There is NO prediciting the future, therefore no way of saying "oh pass on Quinn, Brohm in '08".

Like people already said, this team will not be fixed with one draft, so we might as well go for Quinn this time and fill other needs with the remeaining picks, then we have our franchise QB which is BY FAR the most glaring need, so next draft we can focus on whatever else we need that we didn't fill in this year. I'm not saying give up the entire first day and half the second day, but round 1 and both 2nds or round one and a 2nd and 3rd or something I would gladly do at this point because I am sick of our "QBs" costing us games.

Ideally he slips past the top 3 and then we don't have to worry about giving up crazy amounts of picks, because we could move up to 4 with just a swap of 1st rounder and our #40, but we prolly don't need to because TB and Arizona don't need QBs, so we really need to look at #6, so we can jump ahead of Minny, and all that would take is a 1st round swap and our 3rd rounder. If anyone wouldn't do that for Quinn they are CRAZY. With the scenerio we could potentially take Quinn in 1, and Ryan Kalil (USC center) and Anthony Gonzalez (OSU WR) in round 2. BOOM, 3 big needs filled in our first three picks.
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I agree with all of that. We need to make sure that we select Quinn. And you are right on about waiting for Brohm next year. This year we are at 9 and might still not get the qb we want. If we are say middle of the pack next year, no way Brohm falls to us and then we would have to trade up then as well. Might as well do it now while we are close.
 
Dolfansal said:
How can some of you compare him to Ryan Leaf or Akili Smith. All this guy did was start 4 seasons for one of the most prestegious football teams in the country.

Can anyone name a 4 year starter at a top D1 college that was a bust in the NFL. Leaf, Akili were 1 year wonders.

4 year starters that I can think of: Peyton, Rivers
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I like Quinn but this logic doesn't hold water.

Quinn didn't even play well his first two years, in fact he pretty much sucked. The last two years he has been great, but there have been a lot of guys that played well for two years and didn't make it.

Giving up picks for anyone is a bad idea because you may end up getting a player(s) with that/those picks that equal greater value. Wasn't Eli Manning supposed to be as good as Peyton :lol: some people even thought he would be better. Man they look dumb now. Sure if Quinn plays great you have a franchise QB, but nothing is a given. So if he busts you are stuck with another wasted draft.
 
Alex44 said:
I like Quinn but this logic doesn't hold water.

Quinn didn't even play well his first two years, in fact he pretty much sucked. The last two years he has been great, but there have been a lot of guys that played well for two years and didn't make it.

Giving up picks for anyone is a bad idea because you may end up getting a player(s) with that/those picks that equal greater value. Wasn't Eli Manning supposed to be as good as Peyton :lol: some people even thought he would be better. Man they look dumb now. Sure if Quinn plays great you have a franchise QB, but nothing is a given. So if he busts you are stuck with another wasted draft.
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I agree with not trading the farm for a guy, but our picks 9 and 40 are well worth it for a chance at Quinn. That is to say we would trade up with Tampa. If we were to trade up to 6 we would have to give even less.
 
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