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for all yall wanting percy harvin, heres the history of FL gators wr's which we know isnt too spectacular

2006- 36th pick in the draft chad jackson 150 carreer yards..not in league
2003- 44th pick in the draft taylor jacobs 215 carrer yards...not in league
2002- 33rd pick in the draft jabar gafney in league 7 years 3000 carreer yards
2002- 48th pick in the dreaft rechee cadwell in league 7 years 1800 yards..not in league anymore
2001- 208th pick in draft john capel...who? not in league no stats
2000- 10th pick travis taylor 4000 yards in 9 seasons, he might still be in league with detroit
2000- 80th pick darrell jackson 7100 yards in 9 seasons (FINALLY one that isnt too bad) currently an UFA but im sure someone will pick him up
1998- 34th pick jacquez green 2300 yards in 5 seasons...not in league

OKay thats just the last 10 years....UF is not exactly WRU i know ike hilliard went there and collinsworth but im not going back any further cause im watchin the carolina hurricanes game and getting prepped with massive amounts of alcohol for the UNC game coming up soon. but alot of the big schools are know for something..penn state is LBU, QB's and RB's comign out of USC are known to be automatic, UM all defense all day. but for a big SEC team they send more defensive players in league for long term not QB and WR, in fact a RB is a good bet out of UF but other than maybe darrell jackson few have had success.

so im all for taking BPA which im hoping is an inside LB, i think thats are glaring need not a pass rushing DE or CB.

BUT regardless bill and ireland know best so if they want to risk harvin they no alot more than me, but if little animal is available id gladly him take akins spot
 
While i hate UF and everything associated with it and also Tebow, I believe Harvin is of a different breed. He may not be the next TO or Moss but he most certainly will be a gamebreaker. Some players have it and some do not, chad jackson is not on the same level as harvin, harvin can do anything. You have valid information and good reasoning to believe he will not be special but I personally think hes just a flat out baller.
 
i see harvin at most being the roscoe parish type which is that is what you are looking for that is great. but alot of people are wanting us to get rid of ginn for harvin, but whereas i think ginn can be a eventual #1 (im hoping at lease) i think harvin will be the perfect #3. we drafted ginn at 9 thinking he would be an eventual #1 i think anyone picking harvin is looking for the best inside reciever possible in 3 reciever sets. which honestly the teams that will be picking in his draft range can afford to spend a 1 on a gamebreaking 3rd reciever but not the fins
 
I'm with Tuna & crew, top priority is pass rush. CB & WR will be attended on 2nd round.

As NFL Draft Bible marks:
25 Miami Dolphins – Ron Brace, DT, Boston College
The NFL Draft Bible currently has Brace graded higher than defensive lineman Kentwan Balmer, a surprise first round pick who was selected in a similar range during last year’s draft. It has become evident that Bill Parcells and the Dolphins can no longer depend on the aging Jason Ferguson. And if Miami’s 3-4 defense is to be considered legitimate, it is mandatory that they address the nose tackle position. The 6’3, 330-pound Brace is the only true nose tackle available in this year’s draft and will not be there for the taking in round two. A trade-down scenario would also be another possibility for the ‘Fins.
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crumpdaddy said:
for all yall wanting percy harvin, heres the history of FL gators wr's which we know isnt too spectacular

2006- 36th pick in the draft chad jackson 150 carreer yards..not in league
2003- 44th pick in the draft taylor jacobs 215 carrer yards...not in league
2002- 33rd pick in the draft jabar gafney in league 7 years 3000 carreer yards
2002- 48th pick in the dreaft rechee cadwell in league 7 years 1800 yards..not in league anymore
2001- 208th pick in draft john capel...who? not in league no stats
2000- 10th pick travis taylor 4000 yards in 9 seasons, he might still be in league with detroit
2000- 80th pick darrell jackson 7100 yards in 9 seasons (FINALLY one that isnt too bad) currently an UFA but im sure someone will pick him up
1998- 34th pick jacquez green 2300 yards in 5 seasons...not in league

OKay thats just the last 10 years....UF is not exactly WRU i know ike hilliard went there and collinsworth but im not going back any further cause im watchin the carolina hurricanes game and getting prepped with massive amounts of alcohol for the UNC game coming up soon. but alot of the big schools are know for something..penn state is LBU, QB's and RB's comign out of USC are known to be automatic, UM all defense all day. but for a big SEC team they send more defensive players in league for long term not QB and WR, in fact a RB is a good bet out of UF but other than maybe darrell jackson few have had success.

so im all for taking BPA which im hoping is an inside LB, i think thats are glaring need not a pass rushing DE or CB.

BUT regardless bill and ireland know best so if they want to risk harvin they no alot more than me, but if little animal is available id gladly him take akins spot
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I agree except for the USC QB part. There aren't any good QBs from USC if you look at it. Palmer is the most successful of the bunch. Leinart = Bust
Marinovich = Bust
Rodney Peete = Serviceable

There are more but I am too lazy to look it up.
 
crumpdaddy said:
for all yall wanting percy harvin, heres the history of FL gators wr's which we know isnt too spectacular

2006- 36th pick in the draft chad jackson 150 carreer yards..not in league
2003- 44th pick in the draft taylor jacobs 215 carrer yards...not in league
2002- 33rd pick in the draft jabar gafney in league 7 years 3000 carreer yards
2002- 48th pick in the dreaft rechee cadwell in league 7 years 1800 yards..not in league anymore
2001- 208th pick in draft john capel...who? not in league no stats
2000- 10th pick travis taylor 4000 yards in 9 seasons, he might still be in league with detroit
2000- 80th pick darrell jackson 7100 yards in 9 seasons (FINALLY one that isnt too bad) currently an UFA but im sure someone will pick him up
1998- 34th pick jacquez green 2300 yards in 5 seasons...not in league

OKay thats just the last 10 years....UF is not exactly WRU i know ike hilliard went there and collinsworth but im not going back any further cause im watchin the carolina hurricanes game and getting prepped with massive amounts of alcohol for the UNC game coming up soon. but alot of the big schools are know for something..penn state is LBU, QB's and RB's comign out of USC are known to be automatic, UM all defense all day. but for a big SEC team they send more defensive players in league for long term not QB and WR, in fact a RB is a good bet out of UF but other than maybe darrell jackson few have had success.

so im all for taking BPA which im hoping is an inside LB, i think thats are glaring need not a pass rushing DE or CB.

BUT regardless bill and ireland know best so if they want to risk harvin they no alot more than me, but if little animal is available id gladly him take akins spot
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Oklahoma:
Brandon Jones 5yrs 1380yds
Mark Bradley 5yrs 963yds.
Mark Clayton 5yrs (pretty good reciever) 2600yds
Travis Williams 3yrs (so bad he has no stats)
Malcolm Kelly 2yrs a whopping 18yds.:woot:
USC:
Keary Colbert 6yrs 1540 yds
Dwayne Jarrett 3ys 192yds
Steve Smith 3yrs 637yds
Mike Williams best thing since sliced bread- out of the league
Ohio St.:
Drew Carter 5yrs 977yds
Ted Ginn 3yrs 1200yds
Anthony Gonzalez 3yrs 1300yds
Roy Hall 3 yrs 9yds:woot:
Michael Jenkins 6yrs 2300yds

My point is that there is a lot more than just yards to sum up someone's career. Was he the go to guy in the offense or was he a secondary reciever? Jabar Gaffney got to Houston and had a pretty good rookie season(41rec/500yds), but then they drafted Andre Johnson and you know he wasn't going to get more balls than Andre Johnson. Same when he went to NE. I think longetivity in the league is much better indicator than yds. If you spend more than 3-4 yrs in the league, you have beaten the odds and were a good player. But I agree alot of UF recievers have not lived up to expectations. But Jacques Green had a knee injury that put him out of the league. If not for that he probably still be playing. Chad Jackson had an injury as well. Travis Taylor was vastly overrated. John Capel was a track guy playing Football. He had the worst hands of any WR I have ever seen. It is a wonder he even got drafted. All the guys you listed played with Spurrier. Spurrier would never miss a tee time, so if practice got in the way, you know what happened. Probably some got to the Pros and did not want to put in the work. Perfect example is Reidel Anthony. If there was ever a player that I thought was can't miss it was him. But it was almost as if he got to the big show and that was it. He got his pay day and he was ready to go.
 
crumpdaddy said:
for all yall wanting percy harvin, heres the history of FL gators wr's which we know isnt too spectacular

2006- 36th pick in the draft chad jackson 150 carreer yards..not in league
2003- 44th pick in the draft taylor jacobs 215 carrer yards...not in league
2002- 33rd pick in the draft jabar gafney in league 7 years 3000 carreer yards
2002- 48th pick in the dreaft rechee cadwell in league 7 years 1800 yards..not in league anymore
2001- 208th pick in draft john capel...who? not in league no stats
2000- 10th pick travis taylor 4000 yards in 9 seasons, he might still be in league with detroit
2000- 80th pick darrell jackson 7100 yards in 9 seasons (FINALLY one that isnt too bad) currently an UFA but im sure someone will pick him up
1998- 34th pick jacquez green 2300 yards in 5 seasons...not in league

OKay thats just the last 10 years....UF is not exactly WRU i know ike hilliard went there and collinsworth but im not going back any further cause im watchin the carolina hurricanes game and getting prepped with massive amounts of alcohol for the UNC game coming up soon. but alot of the big schools are know for something..penn state is LBU, QB's and RB's comign out of USC are known to be automatic, UM all defense all day. but for a big SEC team they send more defensive players in league for long term not QB and WR, in fact a RB is a good bet out of UF but other than maybe darrell jackson few have had success.

so im all for taking BPA which im hoping is an inside LB, i think thats are glaring need not a pass rushing DE or CB.

BUT regardless bill and ireland know best so if they want to risk harvin they no alot more than me, but if little animal is available id gladly him take akins spot
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Jackson plays for Denver, as does Gaffney.
 
Yup, sure seems like a trend regarding UF wider receivers.

In case anyone missed this part of Ireland's conference regarding wider receivers, it sums that position's failure rate damn well:

(On what he projects from a college star trying to make it as a professional wide receiver) --

"Well you're looking for work ethic for sure. Our biggest need is bringing players that think the way we think and work the way our players work. It's no different at wide receiver than it is at running back or offensive line. Again, this is projection. We're projecting players that have never been in the league. It's a task that we take very seriously, but wide receiver there's just so many of them. There's more receivers than any other position so there's more players to fail and less to succeed in my opinion. They come in all shapes and sizes and they mature at different areas. That's a difficult one. So there are a lot of guys that succeed but we're looking for guys that can run. That have been explosive and I think the main thing is that they had production in high school. They have production in college and production is one way you can try to mark that as a success rate."

(On projecting how a receivers will at the professional level) --

"Some receivers play in certain schemes and certain systems. Certain receivers you'll see playing more of a pro style offense and certain divisions or conferences play more man coverage and some play more zone. So you are looking for specific type of things that a receiver will do and some receivers just don't ever see that and so there's more of a projection in regard to what you're looking at. So you have to watch a little bit more tape and project it. Some conferences play a lot of man and so you see them separate versus man more. There's a lot of different variables that go into wide receivers as much as every position."
 
MexDolfan said:
I'm with Tuna & crew, top priority is pass rush. CB & WR will be attended on 2nd round.
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Absolutely agreed, a premier pash rush is of the utmost importance. I would love to actually pressure the qb like the top half of the league do. Porter does it well but just like JT in years before, disappears at some points and in some games. I want consistancy. Though I think if Harvin (just not a receiver but does many things (perfect wildcat player) is still there at #25, which i do not think he will be (god gope he doesnt go to jets) we should take him for sure. He's of Reggie Bush/Ted Ginn caliber.. I do not think we should rid of Ginn for him but combine them. Hes a homerun player and I think the combination of RB, Ginn, Bess, and Harvin would be lethal, though I do recommend we need a consistent pash rush. I just think we can find pash rush later in the draft (ala langford).
 
As far as i'm concerned Harvin really shouldn't be in our draft plans for a couple of reasons, personally the history of UF receivers is irrelevant to the potential success of a given prospect so lets take that out of the equation and focus on Harvin. First of all we need a split end Percy Harvin can not play split end. Secondly watching a Percy Harvin highlight reel its clear to me that while incredibly shift and ellusive i just don't Harvin running away from people enough, he's frequently caught from behind or forced out of bounds by people taking good angles. Thirdly Harvin has not run many pro routes and doesn't have to make pro reads in the UF offense, hell he was at running back as often as receiver and the injuries he's sustained in the college game will only be worse if he continues to have to take on LB's in the run game as he may well have to do on wildcat plays which people think Harvin will be so suited for, chances are he will (like Ted Ginn) probably take a couple of years to develop an understanding of playing as a true WR in the pro game.
 
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