For Older Fins Fans...Doug Betters

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  1. CedarPhin

    CedarPhin King of the Winter Carnival Finheaven VIP

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    Was at the University of Montana this week finishing stuff up for my Master’s Degree, and I walked down their “Hall of Champions”

    I saw this...recognizing Doug Betters, complete with an old school Fins helmet...enjoy!

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  2. multistage

    multistage Well-Known Member

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    Big Doug.

    Yeah, lotsa Missoula folk recall him. I lived there for 17 years.

    I believe he is in Whitefish these days.
     
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    CedarPhin King of the Winter Carnival Finheaven VIP

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    Good football tradition at UM...lots of former Griz have seemed to have made their way to the Fins.

    Missoula's a great town, hadn't been there in quite some time. Saw someone get tossed out of the Oxford for the first time in my life, I didn't think that was possible.
     
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    The humble workhorse...The anti Mark Gastineau.
     
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  5. FinfanInBuffalo

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    Doug Betters was a very good player combined with GREAT coaching. IMO, the greatest coach in Dolphins history is not Don Shula, it's Bill Arnsparger. His defenses while the DC of the Dolphins were ridiculous. Here is a summary of their success:

    In 12 years as the DC, the team AVERAGED 5th in points allowed. To further emphasize the point, after he left at the end of the 1983 season, this is how the defense ranked in points allowed:

    1984 - 7th
    1985 - 12th
    1986 - 26th

    It is no coincidence that Shula & Marino never made another SB after 1984.
     

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    CedarPhin King of the Winter Carnival Finheaven VIP

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    It’s up again. For some reason my pics get rotated when posting from my phone. Thanks!
     
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    We should have brought him back when he left LSU. Third time a charm and all of that.
     
  8. phins_4_ever

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    I fixed it for ya.
     
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    Instead, Shula’s buddy Marty Schottenheimer planted Tom Olivadotti with the Dolphins. Hard to believe football minds like Shula and Schottenheimer kept enabling that clown.
     
  10. FinfanInBuffalo

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    I have a running joke with friends that are Bills fans - "Who is the best offensive coordinator in Bill's history?" Tom Olivadotti. Sad, but true.
     
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    Much appreciated.
     
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  14. jlfin

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    IMHO Betters is best DE in phins history. His 1983 season (16 sacks) is the best season by a phins Dlineman in team history.
    Had he played longer than 9 yrs, he would have received HOF consideration.
     
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    Thanks for the history lesson guys cause this is before my time.
     
  16. superphin

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    I see he had a DPOY and 2 seasons where he had 30 combines sacks but than not much else. What happened?
     
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    Well.....

    There is a running argument between my son and I. He maintains that Taylor was our best DE of all time. Sacks don’t lie, and the man was an animal. Closely following Taylor is Wake, who is (fittingly) second in sacks.

    But my boy never got to watch the originals...

    Doug was a force. One of the last true ends we’ve had. Nowadays, they are not “defensive ends”, they are called “edge rushers”. As though they are QB eaters and nothing more.

    But Doug was a true DE. As were his awesome predecessors, Bill Stanfill and Vern Den Herder. As good against the run as at pass rushing.

    Vern was the best. A force at rushing, but even better against the run.

    I may be a bit biased. He lives 20 miles from me, and is a friend.
     
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    Man do I miss Montana, grew up in Helena. Had to move to Mississippi for work. I definitely got hosed in that trade.
     
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    Yeah you did. Missing the Miners Gold?
     
  20. Bob512

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    Some great Dolphin names in this post. Takes me back to a better time with this team.........
     
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    I remember Betters. Great player. Good guy. And has already been mentioned, Betters was great against the pass and the run. Would have had more sacks in the pass happy era we are presently in. The Montana Grizz are always competitive. They had some real rumbles with North Dakota St back in the day and recently.

    I would have to also agree with the comments about Arnsparger. The man was an absolute defensive genius.
     
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    He was a bit of different type of end as some of the guys posted - definitely in the mold of Stanfill and Den Herder where they had to play the run well and the pass. He didn’t tee off on every play - I think it had more to do w adjusting to what the offenses were showing that dictated his style of play. He had the tragic skiing accident and has been paralyzed ever since. At 6’7” he looked like a giant out there and so sad to see him confined to that wheelchair after the accident.
     
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    Helena's got some nice places around it. The drive from Garrison Junction and parts east of Helena through Townsend, White Sulphur, Harlo, etc. is some of the best country anywhere.
     
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    Mountain Man Doug Betters?..Hell,yes!!!! One of the best of the Killer Bee's...
     
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    Better was a good player. Part of the killer bees. Speaking of great DE's......Are you guys forgetting about Bill Stanfil and Den Ven Herder? Also, Trace Armstrong had some good years for us too.

    Ozzy rules!!
     
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    See my above.
     
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    It's sad what happened to him. He was supposed to fly to Miami for a golf tournament that day, decided to ski a bit before flying out. I guess it could have happened any other day. I saw this video on tv a couple weeks ago. It's very good watch.




     
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    Ouch.
    I remember our D being killed by Thurman Thomas screen plays.
     
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    I never thought the 90’s Olivadotti defenses were all that talent-starved. They had a good enough group of players to succeed with the right coaching. Schematically, they were very read and react and very conservative. And Olivadotti never could outscheme the Bills twice in one year. Plus the Bills had Hall-of-Famers at every offensive position.
     
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    My most vivid memory turned out to be Olivadotti's last game as a Dolphins DC. Two weeks prior, the Dolphins lost to the Bills in Buffalo. The primary reason for the loss was the defense allowing 208 yards rushing.

    In the wildcard playoff game, the Dolphins opened the game in a nickel defense. I remember screaming at the TV - "WTF are you doing?" The Bills proceeded to rush for 341 yards and beat the Dolphins 37-22. Marino threw for 432 yards in defeat.

    That was Shula's last game as coach of the Dolphins. Tom Olivadotti was a cruel joke as a DC.
     
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    pride of Whitefish

    .. and who you calling ‘old’??
     
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    I don't know how I missed your post. I must be getting old...lol

    Ozzy rules!!
     
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    The fact that you and I well remember Bill and Vern proves that we are no longer young.
     
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    Didn't realize MT was so represented on this site. Good to know.
     
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    Doug Betters never wore that Dolphin logo. One of my favorite Dolphin players ever. That kind of oversight drives me crazy ! He deserves much better!
     
  36. FinfanInBuffalo

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    Good catch.
     
  37. SF Dolphin Fan

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    Arsnparger has to rate in the top 10 all-time for defensive coordinators. The Shula/Arsnsparger connection was amazing. Comparing the two is not apples to apples, though.

    Arsnparger, unfortunately, didn't have any success as a head coach. Shula is the winningest coach of all-time, having positive seasons after Arsnparger left.
     

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