For the Andrew Luck to the NFL /Dolphins skeptics

[BladeRunner]

I know a guy who knows a guy......right.....Let me ask you this, dont you think what your FO did to your head coach by going out and talking to Harbaugh while Tony was still head coach, your GM saying that crap to Bryant, and the owner bringing on random celebrities to be part owners doesnt scare the crap out of the people in Lucks camp??

Many people could be scared at the way your team is being run right now, i wouldnt bank on anything.

Agreed. As many have mentioned before, replacing the front office should be a priority. No one has a crystal ball to predict the future. Way to early to even speculate about Luck. If indeed we do have the first pick, you can bet your bottom dollar that Ross and Oliver Luck will be chatting.

Also, as a side note, your sig pic is now in a 3-way tie favorite along with Mogwai and Valandui.

 

[ANUFan]

Whats involved in a trade if say someone like luck doesnt want to play here and we drafted him?

 

[pags77]

Agreed. As many have mentioned before, replacing the front office should be a priority. No one has a crystal ball to predict the future. Way to early to even speculate about Luck. If indeed we do have the first pick, you can bet your bottom dollar that Ross and Oliver Luck will be chatting.

Exactly, it is imperative that Ross brings the "right people" in to run this team. You need a duo who puts the QB first and builds the team around him, which is unlike the philosophy of a Parcells designed team where QB's are managers of the game. There is no doubt both Ireland and Sparano need to go to clense the organization of the Parcells stench. You have a franchise LT in Long and a solid center in Pouncey, so with a little work you can produce an O-line to protect your QB. You have a nice young RB in Thomas. Look for a pass catching TE and another receiver and you got yourself a pretty damn good offense for a QB to drive.

 

[Vaark]

I know a guy who knows a guy......right.....Let me ask you this, dont you think what your FO did to your head coach by going out and talking to Harbaugh while Tony was still head coach, your GM saying that crap to Bryant, and the owner bringing on random celebrities to be part owners doesnt scare the crap out of the people in Lucks camp??

Many people could be scared at the way your team is being run right now, i wouldnt bank on anything.

but then again, he wouldn't be playing for a blowhard, over-promising, under-delivering immoral, bi-curious, fetishist voyeur of a coach who gets off on watching well-endowed strangers retool his wife's 3 points of ingress, not to mention her nipple torture. Nor would he be playing for a FO who'll pimp their female employees for his pleasure, especially if he ever gets married, nor will he be playing for a team that lines up all their guido coaches in a tight formation with the instructions of tripping kick returners. Did I mention he'd not be playing for a team where they all, up to that pervert HC sexually harass hot field reporters. Oh did I include cheaters who illegally videotape their opponents?

So it's all relative, isn't it? You might be right that a QB with options like Luck might think twice about Miami while he and his dad would no doubt think a lot more than that if it were the jests. Of course, when you got a slug like Sanchez who was a massive reach at #5 with apparently little restraint when it comes to forbidden and underage love, he's just delighted any team is ****ing dumb enough to draft him. Different situation entirely.

 

[Kinzua]

You're going to get flamed for this post, and I take every "I know a guy..." statement with a huge grain of salt, but you're right that every other team in the SFL Derby is as unappealing or possibly more unappealing than Miami.

Minnesota? Favre drama, McNabb drama, stadium drama, could be moving to LA, clueless coach in over his head.

Jacksonville? See Minnesota, except with Garrard drama instead of Favre/McNabb drama.

Indianapolis? Do you really think he wants to sit out his entire rookie contract behind Peyton?

St. Louis? Awful city, awful organization, awful team, awful coaching staff. Rumors about moving to LA.

Denver? Ditto except the moving to LA part. You want to talk about suck for Luck, Elway just traded away his best player for an effing sixth round draft pick.

Arizona? The worst organization in pro sports that's not the Bengals.

Plus, there's no comparison between Miami and freaking Indianapolis as far as places a rich young guy would want to be. Get Cowher in here and Luck would probably be praying that Miami gets the #1 pick. Marvez is a clown.

First off, I agree with the OP about Luck entering the 2012 draft. Luck is an academic senior this year. That means he graduates. In order to come back for his last year of eligibility, he has to petition the NCAA to get that because the NCAA tightened up its eligibility rules about "academic progress" several years ago to stop schools from manipulating eligibility to keep players for longer than they should be kept.

Second, Luck is going to go to a crappy team because that's the fate of 99% of #1 picks. If he chooses to wait until 2013, he might get a somewhat different group, but they're all pretty much guaranteed to suck, too.

Maybe, if St Louis wins the 2012 SFL Sweepstakes, he could get traded to a somewhat better team, but probably not. A big reason that many teams aren't in the SFL Sweeps is because they have adequate/good/great QBs already, and aren't going to mortgage their futures to get him. That probably includes Frisco. He's also not going to New York or Chicago or Philadelphia or even Oakland because all those teams have too much invested in their current QBs to abandon them.

 

[fin-atic]

I think it has a LOT to do with what happens in the change at the top of this team. I think it depends on talent acquired via free agency, and also who the new coach and GM will be...or if there is a change.

I am not sure in this day and age the whole "he won't play" thing happens. I can't see Luck pulling an Elway. Bottom line is Luck will go where ever he is drafted. If for some unexplainable reason he does...do you have any clue how much teams would give up to get him? At worst we end up with a TON of high draft picks. So it would be a win-win.

 

[rent this space]

If I owned the team with the worst record, I would call Oliver Luck the day after the season ended and ask him what he would like in a franchise

 

[Kinzua]

I know a guy who knows a guy......right.....Let me ask you this, dont you think what your FO did to your head coach by going out and talking to Harbaugh while Tony was still head coach, your GM saying that crap to Bryant, and the owner bringing on random celebrities to be part owners doesnt scare the crap out of the people in Lucks camp??

Many people could be scared at the way your team is being run right now, i wouldnt bank on anything.

Really? Wishful thinking on your part, I think. After all, we all know that if the Fins get Luck, your boy Sanchez sinks to his appropriate level: worst QB in the AFCE as only Matt Moore is holding him back now. :d-day:

As for Miami's FO, all they really need to do is hire a quality GM, and the pieces can fall into place nicely. Indy did that when they hired Bill Polian. NE did that when they got Pioli. SD did that with AJ Smith, Baltimore with Ozzie Newsome, etc. Detroit and the Bills appear to have turned around decades of futility when they got new GMs. What all these guys did was go out and get coaches that shared their philosophies and that they could work with. Then they started team building.

Ross is not nearly as interfering as Gerry Jones or Dan Snyder (who appears to have learned his lesson finally). The Harbaugh/Sparano thing was very tacky, but hopefully, he's learned from his mistake. Again, a better GM than Ireland would probably have stopped this before it got started. Ross bringing in celebs as part owners is totally irrelevant.

 

[Vaark]

Really? Wishful thinking on your part, I think. After all, we all know that if the Fins get Luck, your boy Sanchez sinks to his appropriate level: worst QB in the AFCE as only Matt Moore is holding him back now. :d-day:

Hell, not just Luck, but if we draft consolation prizes Landry Jones, Matt Barkley, or RG3, it's likely to end up the same. (Maybe even Kellen Moore :idk:)

 

[LANGER72]

IMHO..the biggest concern about Luck not coming here is all the circus clowns running the organization. If we ditch the staff and Ireland, and start over with a fresh group of football guys that Oliver and Andrew are impressed with, Miami is the better location hands down.
Better weather, no state taxes, and a franchise that actually has a proud history(albeit not in recent past).
Luck will love the south beach scene once he gets comfortable here. Oliver will too.

 

[BlueDuck]

Anyone that uses the "South Beach" line, you know is talking out of his ***. Contrary to what many of you here want to believe, not all rookie QBs in the NFL are looking to party every night. Where you live is not as important as the organization you play for. During football season you are so focused & spend 12-14 hours a day practicing & looking at film, you don't have time to "party" on South Beach. Then in the off-season, you have the money & time to spend your time anywhere in the world you want to party, and believe it or not, a lot of people don't like South Beach or that kind of lifestyle.

Besides this is so much more than Andrew controlling this situation. Its all about the father, Oliver Luck, and pleasing him. You guys need to focus on him, and what he wants for his son, and look that way. The father I am sure is looking more at organizations than any kind of potential party town for his son. Right now, we don't look very good as an organization, and that might be a big reason Luck doesn't come here.

This is slightly off topic and I mean it in the nicest way possible, but you are confusing visiting South Beach with living on South Beach. The "local" community itself is pretty laid back, close knit and pleasant. It is a lot of young families and professionals, mostly middle/upper middle class, that just arent ready to pack it in and head for the suburbs yet. Yes there is an unbelievable party scene but most residents steer clear. Using phrases like "that kind of life style" and "party every night" just isnt fair to locals and is something only people that havent lived there say. I think a young guy with that income coming from Santa Clara County, California, would fit right in.

That being said, the Dolphins facility and stadium arent even close to South Beach. He would more likely than not end up in Broward County in a nice neighborhood, house on the water, boat, beautiful weather, and whatever else the kid might love that he could otherwise not have in KC, STL, MINN, INDY, etc... I'm sure Oliver will be okay with that. ALso, part of the charm of playing for the Miami Dolphins is that you dont have to travel the world or own multiple houses in multiple states just to find an enjoyable offseason.

 

[LANGER72]

Really? Wishful thinking on your part, I think. After all, we all know that if the Fins get Luck, your boy Sanchez sinks to his appropriate level: worst QB in the AFCE as only Matt Moore is holding him back now. :d-day:

As for Miami's FO, all they really need to do is hire a quality GM, and the pieces can fall into place nicely. Indy did that when they hired Bill Polian. NE did that when they got Pioli. SD did that with AJ Smith, Baltimore with Ozzie Newsome, etc. Detroit and the Bills appear to have turned around decades of futility when they got new GMs. What all these guys did was go out and get coaches that shared their philosophies and that they could work with. Then they started team building.

Ross is not nearly as interfering as Gerry Jones or Dan Snyder (who appears to have learned his lesson finally). The Harbaugh/Sparano thing was very tacky, but hopefully, he's learned from his mistake. Again, a better GM than Ireland would probably have stopped this before it got started. Ross bringing in celebs as part owners is totally irrelevant.

Miami needs to remove all of Parcells guys and start over. The whole persona and personality of the team needs a make over. The only way that happens is when Ireland, Sparano, Nolan and co hit the road.
Sometimes big changes are needed. The Parcells experiment has failed again. Why is he considered a franchise builder? He has left nothing but baskets cases behind him.

 

[LANGER72]

This is slightly off topic and I mean it in the nicest way possible, but you are confusing visiting South Beach with living on South Beach. The "local" community itself is pretty laid back, close knit and pleasant. It is a lot of young families and professionals, mostly middle/upper middle class, that just arent ready to pack it in and head for the suburbs yet. Yes there is an unbelievable party scene but most residents steer clear. Using phrases like "that kind of life style" and "party every night" just isnt fair to locals and is something only people that havent lived there say. I think a young guy with that income coming from Santa Clara County, California, would fit right in.

That being said, the Dolphins facility and stadium arent even close to South Beach. He would more likely than not end up in Broward County in a nice neighborhood, house on the water, boat, beautiful weather, and whatever else the kid might love that he could otherwise not have in KC, STL, MINN, INDY, etc... I'm sure Oliver will be okay with that. ALso, part of the charm of playing for the Miami Dolphins is that you dont have to travel the world or own multiple houses in multiple states just to find an enjoyable offseason.

He would end up in Weston, in one of the secluded and guarded subdivisions. Or he might opt for waterfront near or on the intracoastal waterway or ocean. Weston is more family oriented only a few minutes from the TC and stadium.

 

[JFoxx]

Miami needs to remove all of Parcells guys and start over. The whole persona and personality of the team needs a make over. The only way that happens is when Ireland, Sparano, Nolan and co hit the road.
Sometimes big changes are needed. The Parcells experiment has failed again. Why is he considered a franchise builder? He has left nothing but baskets cases behind him.

Great point. The only true way to be able to move on is clean house in the FO and let the new coach/GM build this team around what they think will work and our youth and talent. The Parcells experiment is over, time to move on to something better now.

 

[Sarnics13]

How can you can St. Louis an awful city. An awful organization? Sure they've been sucking recently but at least they won a Super Bowl in this century. There is no way St. Louis keeps Luck but you are being far too harsh, that team is no THAT bad.

Arizona went to a Super Bowl recently as well. No way are they a worse organization then the Jags at least they have a nice stadium and some excellent players.

I agree with you that Miami is the best destination for him but come on... our organization, coaching, and drama has been just as bad if not worse then the teams you mentioned.

Who cares? Every top draft choice goes to a bad team....just how it goes. He doesn't have a lot of control over that outside of lobbying by bad mouthing a team in hopes they won't pick him, but that brings more character damage than I can see a guy like him wanting to risk. The great teams don't draft in the top of the draft, just the whole idea behind the draft. Not to mention those top teams don't need him. He knows that.