For Those 2005 Defensive Stats that Seem Dooming, Here are Some from 2003...

[Disnardo]

Our Defense as we all know has been pretty bad this year, but they rank right there with some of our Defense from 2003…

Right now, in the last 10 games we have allowed:

An average of 20 Points Allowed per game…

40% in Third Down Conversions (TDC)…

An average of 20 FDs per game…

57% First Downs by Passing…

A notable 6.91 Yards per Passing Attempt (YPA)…

A notable 3.8 Yards per Carry (YPC)…

In 2003 in 10 games played against Houston, Jets (2X), Giants, Jags, NE, Indi, Tenn, Dallas, and Phili, allowing:

An average of 20 PA per game…

43% in TDC…

An average of 20 FDs per game

55% FD by Passing…

A not to nice 7.74 YPA , and with Surtain, Marion and S. Knight in the mix…

A decent 3.3 YPC…

This was a secondary of Surtain, Madison, Knight and Marion…

A LB Corp of Zack, Seau, and Greenwood…

A DL Corp of Taylor, Chester, Bowens and Onguleye…

It seems statistically, this 2005 Defense playing under new coaching staff and learning a new system has performed just as well or just as bad as the 2003 Defense in those games listed.

The outcome of those games in 2003 was different not in part of the differences in the execution of the Defense but by the execution of their 2003 Offense which scored an average of 22 Points per Game…

So I my book the cup is half full, with this coaching staff, new system, new players, I tend to see this team improving in years to come…

…at least Defensively... we’re no worst…

 

[FinNasty]

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nice job...

 

[wonderl33t]

^^^You know that UCF is going to get something nasty dropped on them by Fresno State in the LIberty Bowl right.

 

[Disnardo]

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nice job...

Thanks...

Just wanted to show that our failure to execute on Offense has been, IMO, the primary cause as to our record...

 

[Rocky Raccoon]

^^^You know that UCF is going to get something nasty dropped on them by Fresno State in the LIberty Bowl right.

that is a very interesting take on the defenses in the 2003 and 2005 season :goof:

 

[Dudeman]

Our Defense as we all know has been pretty bad this year, but they rank right there with some of our Defense from 2003…

Right now, in the last 10 games we have allowed:

An average of 20 Points Allowed per game…

40% in Third Down Conversions (TDC)…

An average of 20 FDs per game…

57% First Downs by Passing…

A notable 6.91 Yards per Passing Attempt (YPA)…

A notable 3.8 Yards per Carry (YPC)…

In 2003 in 10 games played against Houston, Jets (2X), Giants, Jags, NE, Indi, Tenn, Dallas, and Phili, allowing:

An average of 20 PA per game…

43% in TDC…

An average of 20 FDs per game

55% FD by Passing…

A not to nice 7.74 YPA , and with Surtain, Marion and S. Knight in the mix…

A decent 3.3 YPC…

This was a secondary of Surtain, Madison, Knight and Marion…

A LB Corp of Zack, Seau, and Greenwood…

A DL Corp of Taylor, Chester, Bowens and Onguleye…

It seems statistically, this 2005 Defense playing under new coaching staff and learning a new system has performed just as well or just as bad as the 2003 Defense in those games listed.

The outcome of those games in 2003 was different not in part of the differences in the execution of the Defense but by the execution of their 2003 Offense which scored an average of 22 Points per Game…

So I my book the cup is half full, with this coaching staff, new system, new players, I tend to see this team improving in years to come…

…at least Defensively... we’re no worst…

how many opening drive TDs did the 2003 D give up? Just wondering considering that this year, the O has been in a hole very early on a bunch of times

 

[Agua]

What about turnovers? I recall, albeit maybe incorrectly, that year as being the first year of a dropoff in t/o vis a vis prior seasons.

 

[Disnardo]

how many opening drive TDs did the 2003 D give up? Just wondering considering that this year, the O has been in a hole very early on a bunch of times

I don't know if you call down by 7 with 48-50 minutes to play in the game "in the hole."

So to add, I don't know how many TD's were given on the 1st drive, but to make it clearer:

In 2003 in those same games the Defense allowed 106 Points in the first half and Allowed 94 in the second half...

In 2005 the last 10 games, the Defense allowed 103 Points in the first half and Allowed 93 in the second half....

Also this Defense has been on the field for over 1 1/2 minute more than the 10 games in 2003. It would help them if the Offense would control the clock by continuing drives...

 

[Dudeman]

I don't know if you call down by 7 with 48-50 minutes to play in the game "in the hole."

So to add, I don't know how many TD's were given on the 1st drive, but to make it clearer:

In 2003 in those same games the Defense allowed 106 Points in the first half and Allowed 94 in the second half...

In 2005 the last 10 games, the Defense allowed 103 Points in the first half and Allowed 93 in the second half....

Also this Defense has been on the field for over 1 1/2 minute more than the 10 games in 2003. It would help them if the Offense would control the clock by continuing drives...

if you're playing on the road, and your D gives up a TD right off the bat a bunch of times during the year, thats definitely being in the hole

 

[Disnardo]

if you're playing on the road, and your D gives up a TD right off the bat a bunch of times during the year, thats definitely being in the hole

I guess its your opinion, and I respect that...

But I believe what puts them in a bigger hole is that our Offense has not scored a TD yet this year in the 1st quarter...

 

[Maynard the Hammer]

interesting comparison.

 

[Disnardo]

What about turnovers? I recall, albeit maybe incorrectly, that year as being the first year of a dropoff in t/o vis a vis prior seasons.

Right now TOs are the only discernible difference...

The current Defense is creating 1.5 TO per game (total of 15)...
The 2003 had an average 1.8 per game (18 total) in the same 10 games...

 

[Agua]

Thanks. T/o are huge in terms of effectiveness. I know, duh, but in my feeble mind, it's the reason the Bills' Defenses may have been statistically outstanding, but weren't as effective as their #'s would have otherwise suggested. Prior to 2003, our ability to generate t/o kept us in more games than our plain stats would support.

 

[Disnardo]

Thanks. T/o are huge in terms of effectiveness. I know, duh, but in my feeble mind, it's the reason the Bills' Defenses may have been statistically outstanding, but weren't as effective as their #'s would have otherwise suggested. Prior to 2003, our ability to generate t/o kept us in more games than our plain stats would support.

I agree, with been on a downtrot since having the # 1 D in points allowed in 2000 with 41 TOs...2001 with 28...2002 with 30... 2003 with 26...2004 with 25...and now we're at 15 after 10 games...