For those that want to blame the poor pass protection on Tannehill

[gofins60]

It's not all on him but he has to take half the blame. Anyone thinking it's 100% one way or another just doesn't know what they are watching...

BTW read this and tell me just how much better Tannehill is today than two years ago " Splits time between shotgun and coming out from under center. Takes extra steps in his drop at times. Feels interior pressure too quickly, throws off back foot when unnecessary (though it's still accurate). Pats ball to keep rhythm. Delivery gets a bit sidearm, allows linemen to knock down throws. Not practiced stepping up into the pocket to find room to throw. Reading Defenses: Sees the field very well when the play breaks down and occasionally changes plays at the line, but needs work recognizing coverages. Will throw his man into a defender, resulting in big hits. Also needs to be cognizant of blitzes and outside pressure, puts himself (and the ball) in danger too often by failing to see late comers and secondary rush " Link http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1273654/ryan-tannehill

Hope he gets better, but it's hard to think he will when he hasn't fixed the god awful parts of his game. I don't think they should sit him yet, but if he has two more bad games in the next 5 odds are he's done in Miami.

So, basically you're saying that while he was decent at the college level, he's just not good enough for the Pros? Makes sense to me.

 

[Lord Of Miami]

That and he still does all the dumb things he use to do and we don't have Dustin Keller and Brandon Gibson in part because of his ball placement. Look at some of the balls to Mike Wallace where he has to turn his body all around just to have a chance to catch it... at same time running 25 miles an hour lol just a matter of time until we lose Wallace " i know he's way over payed and not a real #1 and can't catch very good" but still you can't have a QB that does that to his teammates..... look at this http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000231285/Dustin-Keller-injures-knee see how the ball is late and Keller has to just about do a 360 to catch it...........that's what QB's who only play in the nfl for a very short time do, and he's doing it every game.

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

One need only have watched last night's game, where the very mobile Russell Wilson, most everyone's favorite (and with some valid reasons) having 2 Seahawk subs (& "subs"tandard) tackles protecting him despite that mobility, being sacked 7 times by the Rams, to realize that leaky OLs matter more than just a little in the equation.

Bingo, bingo, bingo.

Russell Wilson is excellent at escaping pressure and managing the pocket (better than Tannehill), and even he has been getting sacked a lot -- and fumbling a lot -- because of awful tackle play. Folks, Tyson Clabo is that bad. And Jon Martin... ugh.

 

[dlockz]

Bingo, bingo, bingo.

Russell Wilson is excellent at escaping pressure and managing the pocket (better than Tannehill), and even he has been getting sacked a lot -- and fumbling a lot -- because of awful tackle play. Folks, Tyson Clabo is that bad. And Jon Martin... ugh.

and now Bryant Mckinnie. The line as a hole is bad

 

[iambanned]

We blame it on Tannehill because we watch the games and see Tannehill do the following: Fail to know where unblocked guys are coming from and make adjustments, fail to ever make a move to elude a defender (OK, not 'never', just 8/10 times), pull his eyes down and just stand there like a deer in headlights waiting to get sacked, audible out of runs into passes that lead to sack-strip fumbles.

Let's be honest. Tannehill sucks at 'poise'. It's 50/50 if he can even improve this. A better QB would have half as many sacks-against and probably 1/4 as many turnovers.

Heck, the way he played in the first half was boner-inducing (not-geigh). On that first TD drive, he was a freakin' surgeon. He had out the 'laser' (think Austin Powers). He can do that when he's in a groove. Once he gets rattled by adversity, it's all lost. He can go from HoF to outhouse on one play, and once it goes south, it goes Antarctic.

So, there's that.

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

and now Bryant Mckinnie. The line as a hole is bad

McKinnie is a huge upgrade. That's what's so insane about this and that's why I'm finally banging the drum for Jeff Ireland's head. He is not as bad as some people want us to believe, but every year he finds one position to botch so badly that it cripples our football team.

 

[Vaark]

That and he still does all the dumb things he use to do and we don't have Dustin Keller and Brandon Gibson in part because of his ball placement. Look at some of the balls to Mike Wallace where he has to turn his body all around just to have a chance to catch it... at same time running 25 miles an hour lol just a matter of time until we lose Wallace " i know he's way over payed and not a real #1 and can't catch very good" but still you can't have a QB that does that to his teammates..... look at this http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000231285/Dustin-Keller-injures-knee see how the ball is late and Keller has to just about do a 360 to catch it...........that's what QB's who only play in the nfl for a very short time do, and he's doing it every game.

I started a thread regarding Zac Taylor, his grossly inexperienced QB coach who wouldn't have gotten the job based on qualifications if not for being Mike Sherman's son in law. I drew the analogy that it's "the blind leading the blind" - observing that it's likely detrimental for a relatively raw QB no matter how promising, in his formative years to be coached up by someone who hasn't walked that walk as a successful NFL QB coach or cerebral QB... as early learning whether good or bad tends to get imprinted in the new QB's development.

 

[Fins1971]

One need only have watched last night's game, where the very mobile Russell Wilson, most everyone's favorite (and with some valid reasons) having 2 Seahawk subs (& "subs"tandard) tackles protecting him despite that mobility, being sacked 7 times by the Rams, to realize that leaky OLs matter more than just a little in the equation.

Wilson got battered last night. The big difference was he did NOT turn the ball over once in that game. If he did they would have lost the game.

Big difference.

 

[ATL_PHIN_FAN]

and now Bryant Mckinnie. The line as a hole is bad

There may be hope for McKinnie. The big sack he allowed was a missed assignment, plain and simple. Get him up to speed on his assignments and he may make a big difference. He did well just as an obstacle to get around on Sunday. I think that's the biggest reason they brought him in. He's also not supposed to be a good run blocker, yet we ran well to his side too, as I recall.

 

[finomenal]

One need only have watched last night's game, where the very mobile Russell Wilson, most everyone's favorite (and with some valid reasons) having 2 Seahawk subs (& "subs"tandard) tackles protecting him despite that mobility, being sacked 7 times by the Rams, to realize that leaky OLs matter more than just a little in the equation.

Exactly. The amount of ignorant analysis on this site is crazy.

 

[Marino420TD]

and now Bryant Mckinnie. The line as a hole is bad

Yep, our OL is certainly a hole.

 

[Shouright]

How you can you explain that Tannehill in 16 starts last year was only sacked 35 times but yet this year the line has given up that many in half the games basically.
So he just started holding the ball longer this year. We have lesser blocking at LT, RT TE and RB but somehow its the qb 's fault

Well let's ask this question first:

How do you explain that Tannehill has that many more sacks this year, despite the fact that he's being pressured this year only 4 more times than last year out of every 100 he drops back to pass, and despite the fact that he's been sacked this year on just under 31% of his pressured dropbacks?

 

[Vaark]

Wilson got battered last night. The big difference was he did NOT turn the ball over once in that game. If he did they would have lost the game.

Big difference.

Point taken about last night, but he does have 8 fumbles in 8 games ... and 27 sacks for a net loss of close to 170yds.

 

[Butterfrog 2.0]

I blame RT for the ints and TOs, but the sacks are mostly on the OLine.

You don't think that some of those ints and fumbles are caused by the crappy OL play? If he has an average amount of time to throw the ball maybe he doesn't have to get rid of it early which would cut down on some of the ints, and maybe just maybe if defenders werent coming in untouched so often it would cut down on the fumbles. Some of them are definitely on him but when a QB finishes his drop and is about to throw immediately but his arm gets hit in the middle of his throwing motion you can't blame that on the QB.

 

[Butterfrog 2.0]

I started a thread regarding Zac Taylor, his grossly inexperienced QB coach who wouldn't have gotten the job based on qualifications if not for being Mike Sherman's son in law. I drew the analogy that it's "the blind leading the blind" - observing that it's likely detrimental for a relatively raw QB no matter how promising, in his formative years to be coached up by someone who hasn't walked that walk as a successful NFL QB coach or cerebral QB... as early learning whether good or bad tends to get imprinted in the new QB's development.

I never liked the idea of Zac Taylor as the QB Coach and wondered why or how he got the job. I had no idea he was Shermans son in law, but he seemed pretty green and overwhelmed to me. I wouldn't mind seeing someone like Chad Pennington as the QB coach.