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For those who complained that John Beck shouldn't have been benched at Buffalo...

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First off, this isn't a bash John Beck or Cleo Lemon thread. I've been hearing more and more talk recently from some who are angry that we did not start John Beck for the rest of the season to see what kind of football player he is. I felt that way initially and was pleased when I heard he would start his first game against the Eagles. He had decent outings for a rookie QB against the Eagles and Steelers, but regressed badly against the Jets and the Bills.

Say what you want about Cleo Lemon, but he gave us a better chance at winning a game in 2007. It was obvious from his first play from scrimmage at Buffalo when he rolled away from the pressure and threw a bomb to Ted Ginn Jr., which led to our first TD. Poor Beck was totally shellshocked and couldn't even hang on to the football. After the second loss to Buffalo, it became apparent that we would be really hard pressed to win a single game during the 2007 season. It was clear that John Beck wasn't ready yet and Cleo gave us our best shot at winning a game, and that he did. I'll be damned if I was going to sit back and watch a shell-shocked rookie QB lead my beloved Dolphins to an 0-16 record. This team has been through so much turmoil over the last six years that a winless season would have been absolutely unbearable. I dreaded it every Sunday night after loss after loss, thinking, "My God...when is it going to end???" I really think that if John Beck had started the remainder of the season, we wouldn't have won a single game. Not a knock against Beck, just another damning indictment against Cam Cameron in not having him even close to ready to play.

So would I liked to have had John Beck get more experience last season? Absolutely. Had we already won a game I would have been all for it. But the best franchise in NFL history deserved better than being both the only team to ever go undefeated as well as the only team to have ever gone 0-16, all for the sake of seeing if a 2nd round pick can play. I can live with that.
 
First off, this isn't a bash John Beck or Cleo Lemon thread. I've been hearing more and more talk recently from some who are angry that we did not start John Beck for the rest of the season to see what kind of football player he is. I felt that way initially and was pleased when I heard he would start his first game against the Eagles. He had decent outings for a rookie QB against the Eagles and Steelers, but regressed badly against the Jets and the Bills.

Say what you want about Cleo Lemon, but he gave us a better chance at winning a game in 2007. It was obvious from his first play from scrimmage at Buffalo when he rolled away from the pressure and threw a bomb to Ted Ginn Jr., which led to our first TD. Poor Beck was totally shellshocked and couldn't even hang on to the football. After the second loss to Buffalo, it became apparent that we would be really hard pressed to win a single game during the 2007 season. It was clear that John Beck wasn't ready yet and Cleo gave us our best shot at winning a game, and that he did. I'll be damned if I was going to sit back and watch a shell-shocked rookie QB lead my beloved Dolphins to an 0-16 record. This team has been through so much turmoil over the last six years that a winless season would have been absolutely unbearable. I dreaded it every Sunday night after loss after loss, thinking, "My God...when is it going to end???" I really think that if John Beck had started the remainder of the season, we wouldn't have won a single game. Not a knock against Beck, just another damning indictment against Cam Cameron in not having him even close to ready to play.

So would I liked to have had John Beck get more experience last season? Absolutely. Had we already won a game I would have been all for it. But the best franchise in NFL history deserved better than being both the only team to ever go undefeated as well as the only team to have ever gone 0-16, all for the sake of seeing if a 2nd round pick can play. I can live with that.

After John's comments of the last week or so I can fully understand why he looked so unprepaired. Now knowing that he was unprepaired explains to me why he played the way he played and why Cameron called the game the way he called it while John was in the game. To say it was unfair is grossly understated! It's to John's credit that he was able to do anything at all with the LACK of time he had with the first unit. Lets go back to the Bills game for just a minute. At the start of the game John is blindsided knocked down and fumbles; the Bills return for a TD. He's sacked and he runs for his life. Then he is pulled. On the very first play Cam calls for Lemon to run and pass out of the pocket and then Lemon starts to move the team. You mean to tell me that Cam couldn't call that same play for John to get him away from the rush. OR did Cam know that certain O-line weren't blocking for John and that he (Cameron) was at fault because John hadn't been given enough prep time to be sucessful. Do you remember the look on John's face; he was as mad as h***, and rightly so, to my way of thinking.
 
Like others, I just wanted to win a game.

As bad as last season was . . . Miami won a game to avoid going DEFEATED for the season . . . and the Patriots LOST the super bowl to keep from going UNDEFEATED . . . was one of the WORST NFL seasons . . .but probably the best Super Bowl I have seen in a LONGGGGGGGGGGGGGG time.

I thought Beck should have started after the BYE . . . if we wanted to start him . . . starting him in Philly and Pitt was a mistake.
 
Like others, I just wanted to win a game.

As bad as last season was . . . Miami won a game to avoid going DEFEATED for the season . . . and the Patriots LOST the super bowl to keep from going UNDEFEATED . . . was one of the WORST NFL seasons . . .but probably the best Super Bowl I have seen in a LONGGGGGGGGGGGGGG time.

I thought Beck should have started after the BYE . . . if we wanted to start him . . . starting him in Philly and Pitt was a mistake.
I don't think fans of other teams can really understand how much we'll always appreciate that super bowl. The entire year was dreadful, I mean just truly awful but for it to end the way it did kind of made it all ok right?
 
I don't think fans of other teams can really understand how much we'll always appreciate that super bowl. The entire year was dreadful, I mean just truly awful but for it to end the way it did kind of made it all ok right?

You betcha! Poetic Justice in it's finest form. The Patriots got just what they deserved.

Perfection denied!
 
He shouldn't have been benched? He shouldn't have started at all! Cam gave in to the pressure to start him, and that was the worst decision he could have made.
 
oh yeah Don't BLAME Beck for Cam not opening the playbook for Beck. Why is Cleo is even a subject of conversation, he flat out sucked.
 
Beck should have started BEFORE the Eagles game first of all. Having his first start come on the road in a hostile environment against one of the best defensive coordinator's in the NFL was S-T-U-P-I-D but then again Cam's logic was never very good to begin with.

The OBJECT was not to "win" games per say in the second half of last season. It was to evaluate talent on the roster preparing for the off-season, and because of Cam failing to utilize Beck enough we now have a grey area at the QB position ONCE AGAIN. Cleo Lemon may have given us the best chance to win, but by starting him we didn't get as good of a look at Beck. If Beck played well, or completely tanked maybe we'd know what to do with the QB position right now. Instead we're conflicted in whether we should take Matt Ryan or Henne or Flacco.
 
Beck should have started BEFORE the Eagles game first of all. Having his first start come on the road in a hostile environment against one of the best defensive coordinator's in the NFL was S-T-U-P-I-D but then again Cam's logic was never very good to begin with.

The OBJECT was not to "win" games per say in the second half of last season. It was to evaluate talent on the roster preparing for the off-season, and because of Cam failing to utilize Beck enough we now have a grey area at the QB position ONCE AGAIN. Cleo Lemon may have given us the best chance to win, but by starting him we didn't get as good of a look at Beck. If Beck played well, or completely tanked maybe we'd know what to do with the QB position right now. Instead we're conflicted in whether we should take Matt Ryan or Henne or Flacco.

I'm sorry, and maybe this is selfish . . . or maybe its just being a fan . . . I could have cared less about EVALUATING talent while we had a ZERO in the win column . . . I wanted to get atleast one win . . . and if Cleo gave us the best shot at obtaining that win . . . then that is who I wanted to start. Maybe it would have been better to start Beck the last 8 games at this moment . . . but that is easy to say when we have already got the win . . . I think I would be too depressed to come on this board if we were 0-16 . . . for some reason 1-15 is just like 6-10, a bad season . . . 0-16 is 0-16.
 
Beck should have started BEFORE the Eagles game first of all. Having his first start come on the road in a hostile environment against one of the best defensive coordinator's in the NFL was S-T-U-P-I-D but then again Cam's logic was never very good to begin with.

The OBJECT was not to "win" games per say in the second half of last season. It was to evaluate talent on the roster preparing for the off-season, and because of Cam failing to utilize Beck enough we now have a grey area at the QB position ONCE AGAIN. Cleo Lemon may have given us the best chance to win, but by starting him we didn't get as good of a look at Beck. If Beck played well, or completely tanked maybe we'd know what to do with the QB position right now. Instead we're conflicted in whether we should take Matt Ryan or Henne or Flacco.

I'm sorry but I didn't want my Dolphins going down in infamy as the only team to have gone 16-0. Yes, we do need to see if John Beck can play. But as some have mentioned, last year's team was so bad, what could we have possibly taken from that if he continued to play poorly?
 
oh yeah Don't BLAME Beck for Cam not opening the playbook for Beck. Why is Cleo is even a subject of conversation, he flat out sucked.

Who are you talking to? I hope you're not talking to me because if you read my original post, I do blame Cameron for not having John Beck prepared. And give Cleo some credit. John Beck may be a good quarterback in the NFL one day, but last year he was simply awful looking. Cleo Lemon, while not a great QB, gave us the best chance to win a game and he did just that.
 
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