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Formula For Futility: HN + PN = IN ???

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I heard that Frank Gore is raving about Mike Martz, even though he's a pass-happy OC. When asked why, Frank essentially explained that there no longer are 8 defenders in the box looking to stop him. Says he feels reborn and is again excited about SF's prospects this year. Martz took a shlub like JT O'Sullivan, who can air it out and is making him look like a pro bowl contender - at least so far.

This strikes me 2 ways:

Pennington: Cannot stretch the field even if Henning was calling plays out of character; as a result, a crowded box that's a challenge to a young, inexperience OL and potential detriment to our RBs

Henning: More predictable than tropical depressions forming off the coast of Africa in September; as a result, a crowded box that's a challenge to a young, inexperienced OL, a potential detriment to our RBs and underutilization of the speed factor of some of our WRs.

Sure, Martz may now have more to work with than Henning, but I still see 2 fundamental problems with our offense that argue persuasively for 2 changes as soon as practically possible. While it's true, Chad P won't give too many games away, it doesn't look like he'll step up as the difference-maker to win them either. What good is a guy who doesn't make too many mistakes when we're still going 3-and-out and fatiguing our defenses??

I'm beginning to think that maybe we should have kept the preseason status quo. As mediocre as McCown is, and as prone to interceptions as his pro experience demonstrates, he still has a live arm and reasonable mobility that would keep the defenses more honest and be able to hit the home run at least once in awhile- which is more than the offense has being doing over 8 qtrs.

So I'm beginning to conclude that from an e= mcSquare type calculation, in this case our formula is anything but combustible:

HN + PN = IN (intertia).
 
I agree, when a D doesn't have to defend deep or outside the hash marks it make the field a LOT smaller. At that point you can afford to crash LB's and safetys to stop the run. Why? You have a much smaller field to defend.
 
This is an interesting comparison. Thanks for posting it. I believe you are leaving out part of the equation. JT O'S. has Isaac Bruce and Bryant Johnson. Both of them have proven they are competent receivers. Not great just competent. I cannot say that any of our receivers would be considered competent receivers by our opponents. It is the combination of receiver and QB that is exploited. Randy Moss, Wes Welker, and Matt Cassell are a good example. Cassell is a reasonable QB, but I expect that PN (your short hand) compares well to Cassell.
 
Good analysis.

This BP rebuild has had it's share of hits & misses. Hits would include the draft, GM, & coaching staff (for the most part.) Misses would be FA and the assessment of our WRs and DBs. Contrary to some opinions, I do not believe that the BP blueprint for building a franchise means to ignore profuse bleeding in an area just to "build up the lines first." You can do both. Not every rebuilding project hits 1-15, or if hit under a previous regime, stays there.

Our secondary is a god-awful mess, and that's being kind. Maybe they are pretty good athletes, but lack in the mental aspects... that certainly seems the most likely scenario as we continue to dumb down the defense.

Our wide receivers are not even low-level competent. Pennington was brought in for his leadership, his ability to read defenses, and his ability to take the short & medium stuff that was available, turning into longer stuff when our receivers made plays after the catch.

The secondary's free fall is causing the offense to be put in a bad situation. The WRs, at this point, are so unreliable as to be near useless even in a "dink & dunk" capacity. So at this point, IMO, Pennington's limitations are being magnified by our other failures where we are even worse.

If we had a poor but competent secondary, we'd be better off. If we had a poor but competent WR corp, we'd be better off. You would see things clicking that to this point have only clicked in gimicky 2 minute drill type drives. Right now we'd at least be 1-1 with a decent shot at pulling an upset this weekend against the pats.

But we're going up there with unreliable WRs and a QB who isn't going to get you back in the game with 80 yard strikes. And a secondary that plays like they have bags over the heads and just got off a tilt-a-whirl. Pennington, in this scenario, can't help us.

Handing the reins to Henne is a gamble. Whether we take that gamble comes down to what this FO's threshold is for the status quo. We'll should find out after the bye.
 
Great post Vaark. I was looking forward to having three strong armed healthy QB's this year for a change, but noooo Tuna italiano had to start salivating over a former noodle dish.
 
Good post even if I don't agree.

But that's not the point of my post. What a great sig!!! It's freaking hillarious. Way to go man. You hit it out of the park with Nostradamus Weekly paper.
 
It's funny 'cause Martz was a huge fan of John Beck when he came out of school and Detroit was poised to take him when Martz was there.

Martz, an infinitely more accomlpished OC than Henning, but these are the geniuses on our current coaching staff.

Oh, and did anyone read the SS interview with Paul Pasqualoni? I guess it makes sense that our secondary looks confused all the time because our defensive coordinator is probably retarded. I swear the guy didn't have a single coherent thought throughout the entire interview, and he must've said Will Allen 'loves to play' at least a dozen times.
 
Guys this is severly off topic but has anyone noticed the tags for this thread? Only on a Vaark post...

Oh btw, totally agree. Henning is awful and the fact that Penny can't complete a pass of 15+ yards is killing our young line and running game
 
Good thread Vaark, but i tell ya, this aint rocket science, its also not just arm strength that is suffocating our offense, its his release as well, its so deliberate, combined with the severe lack of velocity its downright crippling to our offense, so many advantages that are obvious but even more that are not.

Theres two reasons why i have backed off the start henne thread, and that is one..if our line can learn to run against against an 8 man front that bodes well for the future and two just letting henne learn as much as he can before the inevitable happens is good. Iam willing to sacrifice wins NOW for the whats best for the future of henne,and that to me is the most important matter.

So for the coaches it comes down to whats best for henne and his maturation process or getting the offense going, i believe they know and the players know whats wrong, they just dont wanna rush the kid.
 
Vaark said:
I heard that Frank Gore is raving about Mike Martz, even though he's a pass-happy OC. When asked why, Frank essentially explained that there no longer are 8 defenders in the box looking to stop him. Says he feels reborn and is again excited about SF's prospects this year. Martz took a shlub like JT O'Sullivan, who can air it out and is making him look like a pro bowl contender - at least so far.

This strikes me 2 ways:

Pennington: Cannot stretch the field even if Henning was calling plays out of character; as a result, a crowded box that's a challenge to a young, inexperience OL and potential detriment to our RBs

Henning: More predictable than tropical depressions forming off the coast of Africa in September; as a result, a crowded box that's a challenge to a young, inexperienced OL, a potential detriment to our RBs and underutilization of the speed factor of some of our WRs.

Sure, Martz may now have more to work with than Henning, but I still see 2 fundamental problems with our offense that argue persuasively for 2 changes as soon as practically possible. While it's true, Chad P won't give too many games away, it doesn't look like he'll step up as the difference-maker to win them either. What good is a guy who doesn't make too many mistakes when we're still going 3-and-out and fatiguing our defenses??

I'm beginning to think that maybe we should have kept the preseason status quo. As mediocre as McCown is, and as prone to interceptions as his pro experience demonstrates, he still has a live arm and reasonable mobility that would keep the defenses more honest and be able to hit the home run at least once in awhile- which is more than the offense has being doing over 8 qtrs.

So I'm beginning to conclude that from an e= mcSquare type calculation, in this case our formula is anything but combustible:

HN + PN = IN (intertia).
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Vaark, I'm still stunned about you and Paris. I thought you had better taste than that! :wink: Just teasin'! Good read!
 
Myles Fynch said:
Good analysis.

This BP rebuild has had it's share of hits & misses. Hits would include the draft, GM, & coaching staff (for the most part.) Misses would be FA and the assessment of our WRs and DBs. Contrary to some opinions, I do not believe that the BP blueprint for building a franchise means to ignore profuse bleeding in an area just to "build up the lines first." You can do both. Not every rebuilding project hits 1-15, or if hit under a previous regime, stays there.

Our secondary is a god-awful mess, and that's being kind. Maybe they are pretty good athletes, but lack in the mental aspects... that certainly seems the most likely scenario as we continue to dumb down the defense.

Our wide receivers are not even low-level competent. Pennington was brought in for his leadership, his ability to read defenses, and his ability to take the short & medium stuff that was available, turning into longer stuff when our receivers made plays after the catch.

The secondary's free fall is causing the offense to be put in a bad situation. The WRs, at this point, are so unreliable as to be near useless even in a "dink & dunk" capacity. So at this point, IMO, Pennington's limitations are being magnified by our other failures where we are even worse.

If we had a poor but competent secondary, we'd be better off. If we had a poor but competent WR corp, we'd be better off. You would see things clicking that to this point have only clicked in gimicky 2 minute drill type drives. Right now we'd at least be 1-1 with a decent shot at pulling an upset this weekend against the pats.

But we're going up there with unreliable WRs and a QB who isn't going to get you back in the game with 80 yard strikes. And a secondary that plays like they have bags over the heads and just got off a tilt-a-whirl. Pennington, in this scenario, can't help us.

Handing the reins to Henne is a gamble. Whether we take that gamble comes down to what this FO's threshold is for the status quo. We'll should find out after the bye.
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You Nailed it. Fantastic post.
 
Pennington was a great idea in support of a dominant run game, unfortunately that dominance is no where to be found making defending Pennington even easier. It's a no brainer to put Henne in to force defenses to defend the whole field not just the 20 yards past the line of scrimmage. And by any chance they don't we can make them pay hitting Bess and Ginn with a couple deep ones.

We can live with the rookie mistakes, I have a harder time watching well paid veterans struggle and the excuses made up for them.
 
Vaark said:
I heard that Frank Gore is raving about Mike Martz, even though he's a pass-happy OC. When asked why, Frank essentially explained that there no longer are 8 defenders in the box looking to stop him. Says he feels reborn and is again excited about SF's prospects this year. Martz took a shlub like JT O'Sullivan, who can air it out and is making him look like a pro bowl contender - at least so far.

This strikes me 2 ways:

Pennington: Cannot stretch the field even if Henning was calling plays out of character; as a result, a crowded box that's a challenge to a young, inexperience OL and potential detriment to our RBs

Henning: More predictable than tropical depressions forming off the coast of Africa in September; as a result, a crowded box that's a challenge to a young, inexperienced OL, a potential detriment to our RBs and underutilization of the speed factor of some of our WRs.

Sure, Martz may now have more to work with than Henning, but I still see 2 fundamental problems with our offense that argue persuasively for 2 changes as soon as practically possible. While it's true, Chad P won't give too many games away, it doesn't look like he'll step up as the difference-maker to win them either. What good is a guy who doesn't make too many mistakes when we're still going 3-and-out and fatiguing our defenses??

I'm beginning to think that maybe we should have kept the preseason status quo. As mediocre as McCown is, and as prone to interceptions as his pro experience demonstrates, he still has a live arm and reasonable mobility that would keep the defenses more honest and be able to hit the home run at least once in awhile- which is more than the offense has being doing over 8 qtrs.

So I'm beginning to conclude that from an e= mcSquare type calculation, in this case our formula is anything but combustible:

HN + PN = IN (intertia).
Click to expand...

First off, excellent post. You are dead on about the issues that ail us. Secondly, (even though it's slightly off topic: sarcasm intended) I'm very impressed by your ability to put together a post that was actually readable. As the age of information/internet continues to progress (or regress depending on your point of view) people seem to be less and less interested in writing in a format that's cohesive and actually makes sense. Most everything has deteriorated to text-speak; lol, imo, btw, et al. Why must everything have a freaking acronym? My guess is, most people are just mentally lazy or too daft to do otherwise. Kudos to Vaark and Myles Fynch for writing like it's not laborious. I know I'm on a bit of a tangent, so I'll step off my soapbox now.
 
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