Foundation Draft

[SF Dolphin Fan]

Let see where the weaknesses are on the team:

On offense: QB, LG, WR3, backup TE.
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On defense: 2 DTs, FS, 3 CBs (NB, and 2 backup corners).
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I like where you're going and agree with most of this.

I don't see Tua as a weakness, though. When he's healthy Miami wins games. But if you're talking about questionable due to durability, then we are on the same page.

 

[SF Dolphin Fan]

Foundation draft is much needed. My belief is OG/DT/S should not be drafted in the first unless they are true difference makers. A first round pick is a precious resource. I would be slow to spend it on one of those 3 positions, despite them being needs for us

There’s gonna be a tackle or an edge available to us at 13 that I would not let slip by. Be that Membou, Campbell, Pearce, Green, Ezeiruaku. Jihaad Campbell also who may be a better fit at outside backer but I understand taking a chance on developing him at mike. There’s the rest of the draft to take guards and DTs that can step in and play. Despite how hard our GM makes it look

Good points. I generally agree with this.
Obviously, there are exceptions. If a DT can rush the passer and stop the run, 1st round isn't too high, as an example. A safety or guard would have to be a perennial pro bowl type player.

More so, I think it's about collecting talent. If that means occasionally picking against the grain, like Detroit did a few years back, it could work.

 

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Good points. I generally agree with this.
Obviously, there are exceptions. If a DT can rush the passer and stop the run, 1st round isn't too high, as an example. A safety or guard would have to be a perennial pro bowl type player.

More so, I think it's about collecting talent. If that means occasionally picking against the grain, like Detroit did a few years back, it could work.

It isn’t too high if they’re special I agree but those are tough to come by. I do like Harmon. I think Harmons best trait is how well he finds the ball. High football IQ the ball doesn’t get by him very often. Grant is good also. I think we’re in a spot where we need to build out the roster , and nose tackle isn’t where I wanna spend my top resources when building out the roster. Even Harmon isn’t going to make his money playing outside a 3. The Chris Jones of the world that can play 0-5 and impact the QB and the Derwin James that can destroy game plans bc of his impact in the run game are the kind of guys I would draft regardless of positional value

Good point about Detroit, I was on record at the time liking that draft. I don’t think Gibbs was a reach especially when they had a vision for him like we’ve seen. Not to mention they had a great offensive line and were in a position to win a lot of football games. So using a luxury first rounder on a running back and a safety/nickel is fine. Especially those two dudes who were great football players, and were barely reaches if you were to consider them one. I liked Campbell I know the notion these days is off ball is over rated. Which I don’t agree w/

 

[SF Dolphin Fan]

It isn’t too high if they’re special I agree but those are tough to come by. I do like Harmon. I think Harmons best trait is how well he finds the ball. High football IQ the ball doesn’t get by him very often. Grant is good also. I think we’re in a spot where we need to build out the roster , and nose tackle isn’t where I wanna spend my top resources when building out the roster. Even Harmon isn’t going to make his money playing outside a 3. The Chris Jones of the world that can play 0-5 and impact the QB and the Derwin James that can destroy game plans bc of his impact in the run game are the kind of guys I would draft regardless of positional value

Good point about Detroit, I was on record at the time liking that draft. I don’t think Gibbs was a reach especially when they had a vision for him like we’ve seen. Not to mention they had a great offensive line and were in a position to win a lot of football games. So using a luxury first rounder on a running back and a safety/nickel is fine. Especially those two dudes who were great football players, and were barely reaches if you were to consider them one. I liked Campbell I know the notion these days is off ball is over rated. Which I don’t agree w/

This team is almost in a total rebuild too when you look at the lack of young, impact players.

 

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This team is almost in a total rebuild too when you look at the lack of young, impact players.

It’s a bastard of a year bc the coach/GM should be coaching for their jobs, but the roster is in rebuild mode

Which is their own fault and their own doing

 

[SF Dolphin Fan]

It’s a bastard of a year bc the coach/GM should be coaching for their jobs, but the roster is in rebuild mode

Which is their own fault and their own doing

Right. It's probably the smart move to essentially take a step back. Load up with good players without as much emphasis on need. To me, that starts with the trenches anyway where Miami is particularly weak.

But it may also extend to finding a quarterback at some point with Tua’s future being somewhat in the air.

 

[LargoFin]

I like where you're going and agree with most of this.

I don't see Tua as a weakness, though. When he's healthy Miami wins games. But if you're talking about questionable due to durability, then we are on the same page.

Tua is done, he can't even get to the playoffs and the goal is to win SB, and this after 5 years of investment. Done, just like the GM. Failed and it is time to move on, it was time at the end of 23 season.

 

[SF Dolphin Fan]

Tua is done, he can't even get to the playoffs and the goal is to win SB, and this after 5 years of investment. Done, just like the GM. Failed and it is time to move on, it was time at the end of 23 season.

Has any playoff caliber quarterback played with a worse offensive line then Tua during his time in Miami?

I know Kansas City's offensive line wasn't great, but it was better than Miami's.

 

[ThePeopleShow13]

It isn’t too high if they’re special I agree but those are tough to come by. I do like Harmon. I think Harmons best trait is how well he finds the ball. High football IQ the ball doesn’t get by him very often. Grant is good also. I think we’re in a spot where we need to build out the roster , and nose tackle isn’t where I wanna spend my top resources when building out the roster. Even Harmon isn’t going to make his money playing outside a 3. The Chris Jones of the world that can play 0-5 and impact the QB and the Derwin James that can destroy game plans bc of his impact in the run game are the kind of guys I would draft regardless of positional value

Good point about Detroit, I was on record at the time liking that draft. I don’t think Gibbs was a reach especially when they had a vision for him like we’ve seen. Not to mention they had a great offensive line and were in a position to win a lot of football games. So using a luxury first rounder on a running back and a safety/nickel is fine. Especially those two dudes who were great football players, and were barely reaches if you were to consider them one. I liked Campbell I know the notion these days is off ball is over rated. Which I don’t agree w/

I believe Harmon is underrated as a prospect. He is the type of player that is perfect for hybrid front defenses. He is a good run defender (even if his tackling technique needs work he disrupts plays) and he can win inside rushing the passer. He has been compared to Cam Heyward and it is fitting because he is the prototypical 3-4 DE teams like the Ravens and Steelers love.

I know people feel like we need to draft a superstar with our 13th pick, but this draft is fairly weak on the top end. After you get past the top non-QB prospects there is a large drop off. However, the next 20-30 prospects are still very good and have similar grades. This is the type of draft where if you are willing to pick a player 20-25 you are willing to pick them 13 because there really is no difference in value.

 

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I believe Harmon is underrated as a prospect. He is the type of player that is perfect for hybrid front defenses. He is a good run defender (even if his tackling technique needs work he disrupts plays) and he can win inside rushing the passer. He has been compared to Cam Heyward and it is fitting because he is the prototypical 3-4 DE teams like the Ravens and Steelers love.

I know people feel like we need to draft a superstar with our 13th pick, but this draft is fairly weak on the top end. After you get past the top non-QB prospects there is a large drop off. However, the next 20-30 prospects are still very good and have similar grades. This is the type of draft where if you are willing to pick a player 20-25 you are willing to pick them 13 because there really is no difference in value.

I don’t disagree w/ that good points

I think there’s few elite prospects this year and none of them stand a chance of falling into our lap

Just be careful drafting the Christian wilkins of the world. Good player but when it comes time to reset the market at the end of their contract is that a position you want to allocate a large chunk of cap towards? That is why I like to avoid OG/DT/S in the first unless they are freaks. Like Jalen Carter/Derwin James/Aaron Donald type prospects.

It’s a good point that after that elite group of prospects it’s pretty much even. I don’t look at us in a win now window. That’s why I’m hesitant to spend this pick on a DT. Harmon is a good player and should have a fine career. Cam heyward type player is a good comp.

 

[ThePeopleShow13]

I don’t disagree w/ that good points

I think there’s few elite prospects this year and none of them stand a chance of falling into our lap

Just be careful drafting the Christian wilkins of the world. Good player but when it comes time to reset the market at the end of their contract is that a position you want to allocate a large chunk of cap towards? That is why I like to avoid OG/DT/S in the first unless they are freaks. Like Jalen Carter/Derwin James/Aaron Donald type prospects.

It’s a good point that after that elite group of prospects it’s pretty much even. I don’t look at us in a win now window. That’s why I’m hesitant to spend this pick on a DT. Harmon is a good player and should have a fine career. Cam heyward type player is a good comp.

Zach Sieler is realistically the only starting caliber DL on the roster. Benito Jones is a rotational NT. The other two players aren’t even worth mentioning because they will end up on the practice squad. Campbell signed elsewhere so we don’t even have him as a 1 year stop gap option.

This team has clear needs after FA. We could use a LG. We could use a 2nd boundary CB. However, we NEED DL help or we won’t even be able to field 3 starting players. At this point I don’t see how we could pass up taking Harmon or Grant (who I think is overrated) unless one of the elite prospects magically falls in our lap.

 

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Zach Sieler is realistically the only starting caliber DL on the roster. Benito Jones is a rotational NT. The other two players aren’t even worth mentioning because they will end up on the practice squad. Campbell signed elsewhere so we don’t even have him as a 1 year stop gap option.

This team has clear needs after FA. We could use a LG. We could use a 2nd boundary CB. However, we NEED DL help or we won’t even be able to field 3 starting players. At this point I don’t see how we could pass up taking Harmon or Grant (who I think is overrated) unless one of the elite prospects magically falls in our lap.

Imo spending top resources to fill holes is how teams end up mediocre. That’s why I caution against it

 

[jimthefin]

The team has enough needs that they should be able to address one of them(OG/DL/CB/S)without reaching for a need.

The strategy might be to target one of those positions where there will be less chance of finding that position on Day 2 or early Day3.

I think DL is strong enough that a good one will be there at #48 so I would be more likely to go secondary or OL at #13.

Would you rather have Will Johnson/Alfred Collins or Harmon/Amos for instance?

That should be part of the calculation.

I am hoping Miami can move back a little bit and add another Day 2 pick as that is where the strength of this draft lies.

 

[kangphin]

A deep push into the playoffs is unrealistic. 2025 will just be a waste of a year on rookie contracts.
I would love it If the team were to push draft picks to next year.
Let’s pretend this is Madden..

Trade #13 & 116 for 39, 41 & Bears 2026 1st
Trade #39 & 150 for a 2026 1st
Trade #41 & 135 for a 2026 1st

Not picking until 48 seems like a nightmare, but 4 first rounders in 2026 would be so worth it.

2025 2026
#48 4 1sts
#98
#155
#224
#231
#253

 

[SF Dolphin Fan]

Zach Sieler is realistically the only starting caliber DL on the roster. Benito Jones is a rotational NT. The other two players aren’t even worth mentioning because they will end up on the practice squad. Campbell signed elsewhere so we don’t even have him as a 1 year stop gap option.

This team has clear needs after FA. We could use a LG. We could use a 2nd boundary CB. However, we NEED DL help or we won’t even be able to field 3 starting players. At this point I don’t see how we could pass up taking Harmon or Grant (who I think is overrated) unless one of the elite prospects magically falls in our lap.

As of now, I think Miami has to go defensive line with two of their first three picks. Really for the reasons you point out, but also because that's picking with the strength of the draft.

Will Johnson falling might be too good to pass up, but then I think 48 has to be a defensive tackle - Alexander, Collins, JT Sanders, Walker etc.