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I find it funny how every year draft experts talk about certain players being franchise quarterbacks. I know it's human nature to hope for the best out of people, but if every qb who was touted as a franchise qb actually turned out most teams would have one. I count six franchise qb's in the NFL:
1. Manning
2. Brady
3. Brees
4. Carson Palmer
5. Hasselback
6. McNabb

There are a few others who could join that list like Rivers, Leinart and Young, but the point is the term "franchise qb" is thrown around way too often. Take Brady Quinn. He may prove to be a franchise qb, but the NFL scouts obviously didn't see that based on the number of qb hungry teams that passed him up.

Interestingly, franchise qb's without exception have serious talent around them. Manning has a pro-bowl left tackle in Glenn, Marvin Harrison and an effective running game. Brady has an above average offensive line and a defense that allows him to manage the game more often than having to win it. Marino had Webb, Duper and Clayton. So it really is a team thing.
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When I look at a qb, I think the three best measures of success are decision making, accuracy and toughness/leadership. No offense to Daunte Culpepper, but even at his best he isn't the guy to lead the team to the super bowl. He is very accurate and, when healthy, athletic. But he lacks the decision making ability and doesn't sense the rush very well. Trent Green, meanwhile, has it all. I'd love to see Miami get something for Culpepper, but if that doesn't happen we all just need to move on and forget the past blunders of bad management. Culpepper didn't endear himself to the Minnesota fans when leaving there and he certainly isn't gaining fans in Miami for the way he is handling the situation. That says a lot about him. Bottom line is that the Dolphins are a better team with Green and he is the perfect mentor for John Beck, who also appears to have all those qualities which best measures quarterback success.

Two years ago Miami went 9-7 with Gus Ferrotte. Gus knew where to go with the ball, managed the game well and was a leader. His accuracy was a bit dodgy, though, so even though he made the right reads and decisions the pass wasn't always there. While I'm not predicting Miami as a playoff team, Green is a definite upgrade at the position a guy who probably belonged in the franchise category a few years back.
 
I find it funny how every year draft experts talk about certain players being franchise quarterbacks. I know it's human nature to hope for the best out of people, but if every qb who was touted as a franchise qb actually turned out most teams would have one. I count six franchise qb's in the NFL:
1. Manning
2. Brady
3. Brees
4. Carson Palmer
5. Hasselback
6. McNabb

There are a few others who could join that list like Rivers, Leinart and Young, but the point is the term "franchise qb" is thrown around way too often. Take Brady Quinn. He may prove to be a franchise qb, but the NFL scouts obviously didn't see that based on the number of qb hungry teams that passed him up.

Interestingly, franchise qb's without exception have serious talent around them. Manning has a pro-bowl left tackle in Glenn, Marvin Harrison and an effective running game. Brady has an above average offensive line and a defense that allows him to manage the game more often than having to win it. Marino had Webb, Duper and Clayton. So it really is a team thing.
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When I look at a qb, I think the three best measures of success are decision making, accuracy and toughness/leadership. No offense to Daunte Culpepper, but even at his best he isn't the guy to lead the team to the super bowl. He is very accurate and, when healthy, athletic. But he lacks the decision making ability and doesn't sense the rush very well. Trent Green, meanwhile, has it all. I'd love to see Miami get something for Culpepper, but if that doesn't happen we all just need to move on and forget the past blunders of bad management. Culpepper didn't endear himself to the Minnesota fans when leaving there and he certainly isn't gaining fans in Miami for the way he is handling the situation. That says a lot about him. Bottom line is that the Dolphins are a better team with Green and he is the perfect mentor for John Beck, who also appears to have all those qualities which best measures quarterback success.

Two years ago Miami went 9-7 with Gus Ferrotte. Gus knew where to go with the ball, managed the game well and was a leader. His accuracy was a bit dodgy, though, so even though he made the right reads and decisions the pass wasn't always there. While I'm not predicting Miami as a playoff team, Green is a definite upgrade at the position a guy who probably belonged in the franchise category a few years back.

Green of two years ago was an upgrade unfortuantely we aquired this Green.
 
I find it funny how every year draft experts talk about certain players being franchise quarterbacks. I know it's human nature to hope for the best out of people, but if every qb who was touted as a franchise qb actually turned out most teams would have one. I count six franchise qb's in the NFL:
1. Manning
2. Brady
3. Brees
4. Carson Palmer
5. Hasselback
6. McNabb

There are a few others who could join that list like Rivers, Leinart and Young, but the point is the term "franchise qb" is thrown around way too often. Take Brady Quinn. He may prove to be a franchise qb, but the NFL scouts obviously didn't see that based on the number of qb hungry teams that passed him up.

Interestingly, franchise qb's without exception have serious talent around them. Manning has a pro-bowl left tackle in Glenn, Marvin Harrison and an effective running game. Brady has an above average offensive line and a defense that allows him to manage the game more often than having to win it. Marino had Webb, Duper and Clayton. So it really is a team thing.
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When I look at a qb, I think the three best measures of success are decision making, accuracy and toughness/leadership. No offense to Daunte Culpepper, but even at his best he isn't the guy to lead the team to the super bowl. He is very accurate and, when healthy, athletic. But he lacks the decision making ability and doesn't sense the rush very well. Trent Green, meanwhile, has it all. I'd love to see Miami get something for Culpepper, but if that doesn't happen we all just need to move on and forget the past blunders of bad management. Culpepper didn't endear himself to the Minnesota fans when leaving there and he certainly isn't gaining fans in Miami for the way he is handling the situation. That says a lot about him. Bottom line is that the Dolphins are a better team with Green and he is the perfect mentor for John Beck, who also appears to have all those qualities which best measures quarterback success.

Two years ago Miami went 9-7 with Gus Ferrotte. Gus knew where to go with the ball, managed the game well and was a leader. His accuracy was a bit dodgy, though, so even though he made the right reads and decisions the pass wasn't always there. While I'm not predicting Miami as a playoff team, Green is a definite upgrade at the position a guy who probably belonged in the franchise category a few years back.


i agree the term fanchise qb is thrown around way to much. i think right now there are only about 3 qbs that fit what a franchise qb is and they are
1 manning
2 brady
3 palmer.

you could even make a case for a guy like farve, hes not great anymore but he is what a franchise qb is , only now he at the end of his career.
 
There's 4 franchise QB's in this league right now and probably another 6 or 7 about to become franchise QB's.

Franchise QB's
1. Manning
2. Brady
3. Palmer
4. Brees

Futuer franchise QB's
1. Young
2. Cutler
3. Liehnert
4. Rivers
5. Alex Smith (Though some may not agree with me)
6. Rothinsberger (I think he gets a pass for last season)

I also think Marc Bulger and Matt Hasselback are just a notch below the franchise QB label. Donavan Mcnabb would be there too, but he first has to prove he could stay on the field( injured each of the last 3 seasons).

Sleeper Franchise QB- Tavaris Jackson
 
I think there are a few level of QB's in the NFL.

Starting from worst to best:

Busts: You were supposed to be the next great won but now you just cost your team money and games.

Stop-gap: No-one expects you to win games, just be a teacher maybe and play average/slightly below average football.

Average: You don't win games with great plays, you don't lose them either.

Above average: You make some nice plays with your arm and legs, your team recognizes you as a guy who can win them games but you aren't a top QB.

Franchise: The best of the best, there are only three or four of you in the league right now.
 
There's 4 franchise QB's in this league right now and probably another 6 or 7 about to become franchise QB's.

Franchise QB's
1. Manning
2. Brady
3. Palmer
4. Brees

Futuer franchise QB's
1. Young
2. Cutler
3. Liehnert
4. Rivers
5. Alex Smith (Though some may not agree with me)
6. Rothinsberger (I think he gets a pass for last season)

I also think Marc Bulger and Matt Hasselback are just a notch below the franchise QB label. Donavan Mcnabb would be there too, but he first has to prove he could stay on the field( injured each of the last 3 seasons).

Sleeper Franchise QB- Tavaris Jackson

Alex Smith does seem like a stretch right now, but the 49ers are starting to put some talent around him. It will be interesting to see if he can take another positive step this year. Jay Cutler is in the right system under Mike Shanahan to develop. Big Ben needs to re-establish himself in a big way.
 
i agree the term fanchise qb is thrown around way to much. i think right now there are only about 3 qbs that fit what a franchise qb is and they are
1 manning
2 brady
3 palmer.

you could even make a case for a guy like farve, hes not great anymore but he is what a franchise qb is , only now he at the end of his career.

After what he did last year in New Orleans, Drew Brees is definitely a franchise qb in my book. So I'd say there are at least four and arguably a few more.
 
I think there are a few level of QB's in the NFL.

Starting from worst to best:

Busts: You were supposed to be the next great won but now you just cost your team money and games.

Stop-gap: No-one expects you to win games, just be a teacher maybe and play average/slightly below average football.

Average: You don't win games with great plays, you don't lose them either.

Above average: You make some nice plays with your arm and legs, your team recognizes you as a guy who can win them games but you aren't a top QB.

Franchise: The best of the best, there are only three or four of you in the league right now.

That's about right. Miami has fielded a lot of stop-gap guys since Marino retired.
 
It would be interesting if you could forsee what would of happened if guys like Manning, Brady, etc would of wound up on a different team. I do believe that one QB who tears it up on one team could be a bust on another. Thats why I find it so hard to rate a new QB comming in and out. I think the only thing that you can really judge is how smart their judgement is under pressure.
 
There's 4 franchise QB's in this league right now and probably another 6 or 7 about to become franchise QB's.

Franchise QB's
1. Manning
2. Brady
3. Palmer
4. Brees

Futuer franchise QB's
1. Young
2. Cutler
3. Liehnert
4. Rivers
5. Alex Smith (Though some may not agree with me)
6. Rothinsberger (I think he gets a pass for last season)

I also think Marc Bulger and Matt Hasselback are just a notch below the franchise QB label. Donavan Mcnabb would be there too, but he first has to prove he could stay on the field( injured each of the last 3 seasons).

Sleeper Franchise QB- Tavaris Jackson

Haha the level of homerism on this board is too funny......To mention all of the "young future franchise Qb's" as you did without saying JP Losman shows what a homer Dolphin fan you are......

Go ahead and look up JP's stats from last yr and compare then to Big Ben Young Cutler Alex Smith and Leinhart.....The only one from that list I would put ahead of JP is Rivers and lets not forget he has some guy named LT
 
Haha the level of homerism on this board is too funny......To mention all of the "young future franchise Qb's" as you did without saying JP Losman shows what a homer Dolphin fan you are......

Go ahead and look up JP's stats from last yr and compare then to Big Ben Young Cutler Alex Smith and Leinhart.....The only one from that list I would put ahead of JP is Rivers and lets not forget he has some guy named LT


come on look em up :boohoo:
 
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