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Free Agent Offensive Linemen that fit the Wide Zone Blocking Scheme

I get it brother, not trying to play contrarian was just stating a point. What Matt is describing is something that could be achieved through conditioning. If your linemen lack conditioning those would be attributes that offensive line coach, and as well as the strength conditioning coach would work on our players. That moves away from the mental part of the game and becomes more on the focus to read, react, and explode.
Fair enough, I do hope some of our current guys can develop I just think its way too risky to assume they will in one offseason. If you mean that we should just go and sign whatever free agent regardless of what system they were in as long as they are great players and it should work out, I understand. You might be right but I'd prefer to go out and buy a lineman that I know will translate to our system and not hope he can be conditioned. As you know we've had a horrible line for so long. Why not just go all out with reasonable FA contracts and fix this once and for all. Don't wait until pick 29 to hope a guy falls to you, don't hope that the guys we had last year will finally develop. Resolve the line before the draft. Reduce the risk as much as possible that the line will wreck our season once again.
 
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Dolphins will have to overpay for anyone we get. Our owner is a pariah and a lot of players have probably taken Flores' word on the tanking accusation against Ross.
 
Dolphins will have to overpay for anyone we get. Our owner is a pariah and a lot of players have probably taken Flores' word on the tanking accusation against Ross.
I have come to the conclusion that you are likely a fan of one of the other teams in the AFC East and simply like to post negative comments on this forum. So I will just place you on ignore and not have to waste my time reading your useless comments anymore
 
We're not getting a pick for Gesecki, let alone a 3rd-rounder.

If we let him walk, the best case scenario is a 4th-round compensatory pick that gets canceled by the LT or WR we sign in free agency.

If we tag him, we're stuck with him. No team is going to give up a Day-2 pick and pay a $10+M AAV contract for a tight end who doesn't block.
 
We're not getting a pick for Gesecki, let alone a 3rd-rounder.

If we let him walk, the best case scenario is a 4th-round compensatory pick that gets canceled by the LT or WR we sign in free agency.

If we tag him, we're stuck with him. No team is going to give up a Day-2 pick and pay a $10+M AAV contract for a tight end who doesn't block.
Well that's your opinion, not exactly the point of this whole post I just wanted to put together a quick budget of how the investment of $34M in oline would fit with the rest of the offseason moves but if you want to concentrate on this one piece we can. I think he is an elite level receiving threat that is underrated a bit here. I get it, he can't block but he is more a big WR than anything. Because he can be tagged as a TE he is pretty reasonable compared to receivers in Free Agency or available through trade. I simply preferred a traditional TE like Dalton Schultz in this offense but looks like Cowboys will be able to afford him and Michael Gallup because of the Amari Cooper release.
 
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Dolphins will have to overpay for anyone we get. Our owner is a pariah and a lot of players have probably taken Flores' word on the tanking accusation against Ross.
That's a whole Lotta speculation with about 2% credibility
 
Fair enough, I do hope some of our current guys can develop I just think its way too risky to assume they will in one offseason. If you mean that we should just go and sign whatever free agent regardless of what system they were in as long as they are great players and it should work out, I understand. You might be right but I'd prefer to go out and buy a lineman that I know will translate to our system and not hope he can be conditioned. As you know we've had a horrible line for so long. Why not just go all out with reasonable FA contracts and fix this once and for all. Don't wait until pick 29 to hope a guy falls to you, don't hope that the guys we had last year will finally develop. Resolve the line before the draft. Reduce the risk as much as possible that the line will wreck our season once again.

I think if we can Marino, we should make an effort to make the guys we have better rather than spend more picks on linemen. Now, if the best available player when we pick happens to be a lineman I am not against it. In this forum we cannot pick in between having bad coaching, and having bad offensive linemen. If anything, we were one of the teams that gave up the least amount of sacks near the end of the season, but we were also completing more shorter passes than anyone in the league. That is when your offense becomes scheme driven mainly, and very limited. We also didn't have anyone but Waddle offering any kind of threat on the field.
 
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Free Agent Offensive Linemen that fit the Wide Zone Blocking Scheme

First off I would like to explain that I am not an oline expert. I simply listen and read a lot of information on the Dolphins and have gathered my findings in one spot.

Purpose: I would like to make the playoffs next year and I believe we are aware that Stephen Ross is desperate to do so as well. To do so I believe we need to completely overhaul our offensive line. None of our current lineman have any experience in the Wide Zone Blocking Scheme within the NFL that I am aware of and they don’t seem like they have the physical/mental attributes to be plus starters in this system either. From what I gather, in order for this system to work we need players that have great lateral movement, very athletic for their position and have high play recognition and instinct. In order for this system to really take off I believe we need at least 3 new starters with experience in a similar system on the Oline and can do it relatively economically.

Assessment of Current Starters

Austin Jackson – He seems to have all the physical tools to be a LT in this system as he is very athletic but his play recognition and instinct are very poor. He seemed to be doing well in the first half of his rookie year before his injury so there is hope that he can develop but I wouldn’t trust him off the bat in a starter role.

Liam Eichenberg – He is not as athletic as Austin Jackson but was forced to play in the LT role because of Ajax’s shortcomings. He seems like more of a fit in a Gap type of scheme but all hope is not lost with him either. I believe he will develop into a good guard but may take time and there are already a few ready made free agents with a ton of experience in this system. I could go either way on him but I lean on redshirting him this year to see how he does in this system.

Michael Dieter – A center that is very intellectual and also very athletic to reach the reach blocks in this system is very important. Deiter may have been our best olineman when he was playing last year but he has slower feet and is suited more towards a Gap power system. I would go with a replacement here.

Robert Hunt – He did well in the last half of last year and played by all accounts pretty well in his rookie season. Kyle Crabbs (Lockedon Dolphins podcast) likened him to Laken Tomlinson in that at first glance he doesn’t seem to be a fit in this system but he’s just an overall gifted lineman that he can make it work. I would like to keep him as a starter at RG but depending on free agents I could see the Dolphins moving him to RT.

Jesses Davis – Goodbye.

Free Agent Olinemen available and the System they were in last year

Below I prepared a table of Free agent lineman that were on PFF’s list of top 200 Free Agents (https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2022-free-agent-rankings-free-agency) and included their FA rating per PFF. I took the highest Market Value between Spotrac and PFF and tried to determine what run blocking system (IZ/GAP – Inside zone or Gap power, WZ – wide zone, HYB – Hybrid between the two) these players played in last year per the following sites:

https://fantasydata.com/all-32-nfl-coaching-schemes-for-the-2021-season
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-offensive-scheme-analysis-32-nfl-teams-2021

I realize that some players are able to play in both systems but I really want to hit the ground running and have players that are experienced and can help potentially develop our younger players.

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I realize this is difficult to read so we will filter this out a bit. I have filtered the lineman out that were not in a WZ or HYB system last year. Some notable names that were filtered out:

Eric Fisher
Nate Solder
Cam Robinson – One of the worst teams in the league doesn’t want him I don’t get the hype around him
Connor Williams
Andrew Norwell
Ryan Jensen – This is a very popular choice by many but he is more suited towards GAP as others have mentioned on this site, has struggled with shotgun snaps and takes stupid penalties. I think there are better/younger/cheaper fits.
Mark Glowinski
Trent Brown

Filtered for HYB & WZ systems:

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There are still quite a few players so I will filter for the top 100 free agents. Here are some of the notable names that other people have highlighted:

Joseph Noteboom – Kyle Crabbs highlighted him as an option as he did well as the 6th offensive lineman on the Rams last year
Trai Turner
Scott Quessenberry – Chris Kaufman (3YPC) mentioned him as an option. Has experience with our new OC Frank Smith.
Ethan Pocic
David Quessenberry
Tom Compton – Simon Clancy (3YPC) mentioned him as an option on twitter as he played in SF system last year but from what I’ve read he is a great run blocker and poor pass blocker. Potentially a cheap option though and it did seem to work for SF last year with Mike Mcglinchey out.

Filtered for HYB, WZ & top 100 rated PFF

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Projected Starters

Left Tackle – Duane Brown - While Terron Armstead is enticing as he is a premium tackle with zone experience like many other have mentioned he is very costly and very injury prone. I really like Duane Brown as an option as although he is old (37) he has not slowed down, has a ton of experience in zone blocking systems and can mentor/teach both Austin Jackson and Liam Eichenberg for the next 1-2 years. PFF has him at 2 year 20M which is right in line with what Andrew Whitworth was making in his age 40 season where he just won the Super Bowl. With Brown we can take the same approach we took with the Oline coach, demote and develop.

Left Guard – Laken Tomlinson - As most have mentioned Laken Tomlinson should be a slam dunk signing as he is a pro bowl guard coming from San Francisco where he could teach the other olineman by example some of the intricacies of the system. He would be number 1 on my list of targets because of this.

Center – Brian Allen –While I could get on board with Ben Jones as an option he is older, has struggled with shotgun snaps and is coming directly from a more gap power inside zone system. Brian Allen had a very good year on the Rams and played in a system that is very similar to San Frans as McVay also came from the Mike Shanahan tree. In addition, he is also projected to be half the cost of Jensen.

RG – Robert Hunt – This is where it could get interesting. James Daniels and Austin Corbett (not mentioned as often but has seemed to flourish from moving to a WZ system from GAP in CLE) are a great fit as a RG but that would mean moving Robert Hunt once again. That can’t be great for a young lineman so because of that I decided to keep Hunt where he’s at and sign a RT instead.

RT – Morgan Moses – Moses played well last year by all accounts in a system ran by Mike Lafleur the former OC in SF before Mcdaniel had the position. He is extremely dependable and has had very few injuries over his career.

Projected Net Cap Spend

My last topic will be how does this all fit with our cap situation. Although 34M is a lot to spend on the oline I am sick of having a bad line and want to throw money at it so we can concentrate on skill positions in the draft (WR & RB). See below how my projected oline signings fit in with the assumption of a franchise tag and trade of Gesicki for at least a 3rd round pick.

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Conclusion

I know this is insanely long but I found it enlightening. Again I’m not an oline expert I just thought I’d take a stab at fixing the oline with players that fit the scheme. Let me know which players you would sign that come from the WZ scheme.

Good post.

Tomlinson is the no brainer as everyone notes.

LT is difficult to decipher b/c of variables. I doubt Orlando Brown will get away from the Chiefs. Duane Brown is not near as good as Armstead. But of course the injury issue is there. Tough call but we have to land one LT for sure. It's a major gap there.

Although I think Hunt was our best OL and was last year, I really would like to see him play RT and move Eichenberg to OG. I think Eich, Jones (whom we also put at RT for some reason), and Jackson should battle it out at OG. Eich just does not have the footwork or arm length to play either OT position. He's an OG and if he gets stronger with good coaching he should become a poor man's Zack Martin.
 
Good post.

Tomlinson is the no brainer as everyone notes.

LT is difficult to decipher b/c of variables. I doubt Orlando Brown will get away from the Chiefs. Duane Brown is not near as good as Armstead. But of course the injury issue is there. Tough call but we have to land one LT for sure. It's a major gap there.

Although I think Hunt was our best OL and was last year, I really would like to see him play RT and move Eichenberg to OG. I think Eich, Jones (whom we also put at RT for some reason), and Jackson should battle it out at OG. Eich just does not have the footwork or arm length to play either OT position. He's an OG and if he gets stronger with good coaching he should become a poor man's Zack Martin.

We are probably going to break the bank at this rate lol.
 
I think if we can Marino, we should make an effort to make the guys we have better rather than spend more picks on linemen. Now, if the best available player when we pick happens to be a lineman I am not against it. In this forum we cannot pick in between having bad coaching, and having bad offensive linemen. If anything, we were one of the teams that gave up the least amount of sacks near the end of the season, but we were also completing more shorter passes than anyone in the league. That is when your offense becomes scheme driven mainly, and very limited. We also didn't have anyone but Waddle offering any kind of threat on the field.
I agree with you in that I don't really want to spend any draft picks in the top 3 rounds on oline, we clearly have failed in the past. I want to buy 80% of the line through FA. I want to take the approach of finding experienced stop gaps (Duane Brown is the best example) that can fill in for a year or two while some of our current guys hopefully develop. I think this is plausible because it may help Grier save face for using the 18th overall pick on Jackson.
 
Good post.

Tomlinson is the no brainer as everyone notes.

LT is difficult to decipher b/c of variables. I doubt Orlando Brown will get away from the Chiefs. Duane Brown is not near as good as Armstead. But of course the injury issue is there. Tough call but we have to land one LT for sure. It's a major gap there.

Although I think Hunt was our best OL and was last year, I really would like to see him play RT and move Eichenberg to OG. I think Eich, Jones (whom we also put at RT for some reason), and Jackson should battle it out at OG. Eich just does not have the footwork or arm length to play either OT position. He's an OG and if he gets stronger with good coaching he should become a poor man's Zack Martin.
This could be another good solution I just want to avoid the risk that Hunt struggles with outside pressure at RT(although he was pretty good in his rookie year) and Eichenberg takes more than an offseason to develop as a guard in this system after being tossed around everywhere last year. I'm a big proponent of having fallback options. What are you suggesting at center in this scenario?

As for OT I'd rather have Duane brown and Morgan Moses man both tackle spots for less money combined and shorter term than signing an injury prone Armstead but that's just my opinion.
 
What about Jesse Davis?


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Duane Brown and Morgan Moses would be my top choices. Brown is getting old so I would prefer a two year contract. Moses has been durable so I’m willing to go four years.

We now have a ton of OL coaching experience. I think Austin Jackson can be saved. Hunt is solid. Dieter might work out at center but I’d try and get one in FA. Point is we do have some pieces to work with. I thought Robert Jones showed promise and I don’t understand why Liam looked so bad.

We need a lot of pieces on offense and I don’t think we can get all of them this year.

BTW, excellent post from OP.
 
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