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Full Evaluation of Ted Ginn Jr. in 2008.

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This Evaluation is quite long, so read if you want.

Ted Ginn: Ted Ginn displays blazing speed, but it takes him 5-7 yards before he can reach his top speed. His start/stop acceleration is lacking compared to the likes of Donnie Avery and even our own Davone Bess.

Ginn plays with decent awareness, showing the ability to adjust to coverage without having to throttle down and taking false steps. He has developed some ability to catch the ball outside his frame, however, sometimes he uses his upper body to shield the catch in.

He sometimes looks tight in his lower base and hips, failing to Lower his hips on deep out routes(13-15 yards). This leads to him rounding out some routes, such as the 15-17 yard Dig route he ran in the Arizona game. This route was wide open, but he failed to start off on the left foot then Lower his hips at the 15 yard mark and cut towards the middle of the field at a 90 degree angle. As a result, he rounded his cut out at the 16 yard mark and was late getting to the middle of the field. Pennington threw it where Ginn was supposed to be, but from the failed route running, Ginn almost cost the team an interception.

On his comeback routes, he sometimes fails to start of the line 100% then chop his feet and throw his head(in some offenses, they call this "Giving Head.") By failing to throw his head, the Defensive Back does not fly back when he makes his stop on the comeback or hitch, resulting in a broken up pass. However, this is does not happen a lot, as he shows the tendency to run the comebacks,curls, option routes well. Along with this, he does come back to the ball when the ball is thrown and sometimes Catches it at the highest point, such as the Fade to him in the endzone of the New York Jets game.

On Post routes, he runs the effectively, but sometimes fails to start of the LOS and run towards the Defensive Backs outside shoulder, causing the cornerback to turn his hips to the outside and giving Ginn the oppurtunity to give a head fake or even sink his hips at the 17-19 yard mark and make a cut towards the Goal Post while the DB's hips and body is facing the outside and he is already running to the inside. Instead he just runs straight foward hoping to beat them with his straight speed and makes a lazy cut towards the goal post. This does not occur a lot however, as he does run most of his routes well.

On the option routes, he finds the open hole in the zone, but sometimes tries to simply outrun the zone instead of finding the nice hole in it. Ginn has everything to become an elite reciever such as steve smith and santana moss, He needs to become crisp and a master of his route running and catching the ball at the highest point.

He has unlimited potential in this league, he just needs experience and needs to keep working at it with his route running, catching, body explosion movements, and vertical body work, etc.. His hips are fluid most of the time, sinking his hips and lowering his lower body on the cuts he needs to make.

His chopping head and throwing head works, but he needs to mostly stop being lazy on some routes. He needs to look in the ball more for the drops to decrease and he has to give more moves of the LOS jam, such as a double move or letting the DB try to initiate the Jam, and work off the technique his DB is doing.

Ted is a very interesting and unique prospect to say the least. If he becomes more consistent, he will be well worth the #9 pick.
 
If only threads about players sucking or not sucking would be like this and not like the John Beck thread.Good analysis nice insight nicely thought out with examples given.Worthy of V.I.P
Thanks for sharing.
 
Ted Ginn: Ted Ginn displays blazing speed, but it takes him 5-7 yards before he can reach his top speed.

It may take him longer to reach top speed but since his top speed is above everyones, he reaches their top speed more quickly.

Great job though. Thanks. I think you earned some reputation points.
 
I agree with you but I think the biggest thing to look at is his growth throughout the year. The Arizona game was our 2nd game. Look at Ginn's work in the 3rd and 4th Quarter against Baltimore, other than the fumble, he had some vry nice routes, he didn't break anything long but against very solid corners he made some plays. ON our drive in the 3rd he had 4 catches for 30 yards, not earth shattering but some very nice routes to lose his man and make the catch. In the 4th he caused a PI on Washington for 19 yards. I think this game is a telling tale of his growth. Maybe the first two quarters he wasn't running great routes, I think he wasn't to bad but Chad wasn't looking his way unless he was throwing deep and getting intercepted. BUt in the 2nd half the coaching staff wanted the ball to go to Ginn and he produced some nice 1st downs and we were gaining momentum until bad throws by Chad.

Ginn needs to run better routes which he made nice progress throughout the year but this year Chad and Ted need to really get on the same page so Ted is his first look not his 2nd or 3rd. Cam and Bess Run stellar short routes and Chad favours that but our biggest weapon as of right now is Ginn, they need to work together and cause some damage.
 
This Evaluation is quite long, so read if you want.

Ted Ginn: Ted Ginn displays blazing speed, but it takes him 5-7 yards before he can reach his top speed. His start/stop acceleration is lacking compared to the likes of Donnie Avery and even our own Davone Bess.

Ginn plays with decent awareness, showing the ability to adjust to coverage without having to throttle down and taking false steps. He has developed some ability to catch the ball outside his frame, however, sometimes he uses his upper body to shield the catch in.

He sometimes looks tight in his lower base and hips, failing to Lower his hips on deep out routes(13-15 yards). This leads to him rounding out some routes, such as the 15-17 yard Dig route he ran in the Arizona game. This route was wide open, but he failed to start off on the left foot then Lower his hips at the 15 yard mark and cut towards the middle of the field at a 90 degree angle. As a result, he rounded his cut out at the 16 yard mark and was late getting to the middle of the field. Pennington threw it where Ginn was supposed to be, but from the failed route running, Ginn almost cost the team an interception.

On his comeback routes, he sometimes fails to start of the line 100% then chop his feet and throw his head(in some offenses, they call this "Giving Head.") By failing to throw his head, the Defensive Back does not fly back when he makes his stop on the comeback or hitch, resulting in a broken up pass. However, this is does not happen a lot, as he shows the tendency to run the comebacks,curls, option routes well. Along with this, he does come back to the ball when the ball is thrown and sometimes Catches it at the highest point, such as the Fade to him in the endzone of the New York Jets game.

On Post routes, he runs the effectively, but sometimes fails to start of the LOS and run towards the Defensive Backs outside shoulder, causing the cornerback to turn his hips to the outside and giving Ginn the oppurtunity to give a head fake or even sink his hips at the 17-19 yard mark and make a cut towards the Goal Post while the DB's hips and body is facing the outside and he is already running to the inside. Instead he just runs straight foward hoping to beat them with his straight speed and makes a lazy cut towards the goal post. This does not occur a lot however, as he does run most of his routes well.

On the option routes, he finds the open hole in the zone, but sometimes tries to simply outrun the zone instead of finding the nice hole in it. Ginn has everything to become an elite reciever such as steve smith and santana moss, He needs to become crisp and a master of his route running and catching the ball at the highest point.

He has unlimited potential in this league, he just needs experience and needs to keep working at it with his route running, catching, body explosion movements, and vertical body work, etc.. His hips are fluid most of the time, sinking his hips and lowering his lower body on the cuts he needs to make.

His chopping head and throwing head works, but he needs to mostly stop being lazy on some routes. He needs to look in the ball more for the drops to decrease and he has to give more moves of the LOS jam, such as a double move or letting the DB try to initiate the Jam, and work off the technique his DB is doing.

Ted is a very interesting and unique prospect to say the least. If he becomes more consistent, he will be well worth the #9 pick.
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Very well thought out and educational analysis. :hclap:
 
Robert. Didn't you already state this in another thread ? I am having a deja vu moment.
 
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I need clarification on this

As in being more explosive out of his break or after catching. Using what upper and lower body strength he has to explode out of the catch or break to dominate the DB. See on the Reverse in the Raiders game. He would not be tackled or go down and used all his body explosion to achieve the TD. We need more of that from him.
 
Great work on the analysis! The technical issues with his route running is encouraging. Karl D. will continue to resolve these issues, so he will get better. I am concerned about his inconsistency of effort. He does not have the attitude required to be a pro. I know that maturity plays a role in a players ability to be professional, but many players fail to ever develop that sense of responsibility and work ethic. His future success depends upon his growth as an individual and upon whether he is capable of acting like a pro.
 
Basically all I could read was that Tedd Ginn needs to get better at GIVING HEAD????


WTF???? :lol:
 
Basically all I could read was that Tedd Ginn needs to get better at GIVING HEAD????


WTF???? :lol:


...Yes

But if you want to look at it with the mindset of a 13 year old, go ahead.
 
Thorough review, and technically beyond my realm; thank you. What I glean from this is that in your opinion, Teddy's got all the skills to be successful but needs to more intensively coached up and more consistently focused mentally. What I didn't see while trying to fish thru that amorphous block were any comments either confirming or dispelling the popular sentiment about Junior's aversion to stretching the play if it means taking a hard hit.

I remain bullish on Teddy. Drafting him instead of Willis was a terrible mistake but not his, so IMO it's foolish to hold that against him, as it is ridiculous to title him a "bust" and advocate his trade. He's ours and although he may never live up to his advanced billing, I have high hopes he will evolve into a dangerous weapon, even as the second option, especially once Henne takes over.

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This Evaluation is quite long, so read if you want.

Ted Ginn: Ted Ginn displays blazing speed, but it takes him 5-7 yards before he can reach his top speed. His start/stop acceleration is lacking compared to the likes of Donnie Avery and even our own Davone Bess.

Ginn plays with decent awareness, showing the ability to adjust to coverage without having to throttle down and taking false steps. He has developed some ability to catch the ball outside his frame, however, sometimes he uses his upper body to shield the catch in.

He sometimes looks tight in his lower base and hips, failing to Lower his hips on deep out routes(13-15 yards). This leads to him rounding out some routes, such as the 15-17 yard Dig route he ran in the Arizona game. This route was wide open, but he failed to start off on the left foot then Lower his hips at the 15 yard mark and cut towards the middle of the field at a 90 degree angle. As a result, he rounded his cut out at the 16 yard mark and was late getting to the middle of the field. Pennington threw it where Ginn was supposed to be, but from the failed route running, Ginn almost cost the team an interception.

On his comeback routes, he sometimes fails to start of the line 100% then chop his feet and throw his head(in some offenses, they call this "Giving Head.") By failing to throw his head, the Defensive Back does not fly back when he makes his stop on the comeback or hitch, resulting in a broken up pass. However, this is does not happen a lot, as he shows the tendency to run the comebacks,curls, option routes well. Along with this, he does come back to the ball when the ball is thrown and sometimes Catches it at the highest point, such as the Fade to him in the endzone of the New York Jets game.

On Post routes, he runs the effectively, but sometimes fails to start of the LOS and run towards the Defensive Backs outside shoulder, causing the cornerback to turn his hips to the outside and giving Ginn the oppurtunity to give a head fake or even sink his hips at the 17-19 yard mark and make a cut towards the Goal Post while the DB's hips and body is facing the outside and he is already running to the inside. Instead he just runs straight foward hoping to beat them with his straight speed and makes a lazy cut towards the goal post. This does not occur a lot however, as he does run most of his routes well.

On the option routes, he finds the open hole in the zone, but sometimes tries to simply outrun the zone instead of finding the nice hole in it. Ginn has everything to become an elite reciever such as steve smith and santana moss, He needs to become crisp and a master of his route running and catching the ball at the highest point.

He has unlimited potential in this league, he just needs experience and needs to keep working at it with his route running, catching, body explosion movements, and vertical body work, etc.. His hips are fluid most of the time, sinking his hips and lowering his lower body on the cuts he needs to make.

His chopping head and throwing head works, but he needs to mostly stop being lazy on some routes. He needs to look in the ball more for the drops to decrease and he has to give more moves of the LOS jam, such as a double move or letting the DB try to initiate the Jam, and work off the technique his DB is doing.

Ted is a very interesting and unique prospect to say the least. If he becomes more consistent, he will be well worth the #9 pick.

I saw a nice improvement from 07 to 08. Chad Pennington made remarks several times this year saying the 3rd year was the breakout years for several young WR's he's played with. I'm happy with Ginns production to this point. I think this coaching staff will do their best to help Ginn improve.
 
Thorough review, and technically beyond my realm; thank you. What I glean from this is that in your opinion, Teddy's got all the skills to be successful but needs to more intensively coached up and more consistently focused mentally. What I didn't see while trying to fish thru that amorphous block were any comments either confirming or dispelling the popular sentiment about Junior's aversion to stretching the play if it means taking a hard hit.

I remain bullish on Teddy. Drafting him instead of Willis was a terrible mistake but not his, so IMO it's foolish to hold that against him, as it is ridiculous to title him a "bust" and advocate his trade. He's ours and although he may never live up to his advanced billing, I have high hopes he will evolve into a dangerous weapon, even as the second option, especially once Henne takes over.

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Well he knows his limitations and knows he's not hines ward and will take 2 hits by LBs going over the middle. Its not that he's scared, hes 5'11 178. Thats the same size as me. If he takes hits all the time from the Defense, he will be out of football in 3 years along with fumbling it non-stop along the way. He needs to have Henne realistically in there. When he is running post-corner routes or double moves with slant and go's or even a straight fade, he almost EVERY single time beats his man deep or intermediately. He just needs Henne in there to deliver that ball, and Pennington time and time again underthrew him this season on the deep ball. Buffalo-First play of the game, he had Mcgee burned like no other. TD if Penny puts it on the money. Against the Jets, he burns them both deep but has to come back on the flea-flicker. It happened again and again
 
I believe we will not see Ginn's true skills until Henne comes in. No matter how much his route running improves, or his attention to detail evolves, his ceiling is limited due to the lack of throwing essentials presented by the current dolphin's QB. But I have to add that Teddy is a huge talent and no matter the QB, Ginn still has a very high floor and at worst, he is an imminent asset to the offense, with his impact to stretch the defence.
 
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