Funny Thing happened...

[jonanthans]

When I started checking back on all the guys who are posting all this negative crap about who we picked and how our staff just passed on the "Franchise QB of our future"..... about 90% of these same posters were crooning 2 months ago about how Cam Cameron is the best thing since sliced bread..... so, how come if he is such a mastermind, do you know more than he does when it comes to evaluating talent?:confused: Obviously, HE took the guys HE thinks HE needs to return this franchise to its once proud glory. And at this point, HIS opinion is all that really matters.
Face it, Brady Quinn obviously lacks something that was scaring teams away from him, it wasn't just Miami, 20 other teams passed on him as well, including Cleveland. And no one was trying to trade up to get him. It's Cam Camerons job to build this team. Let him do the job he was hired for.

do some back checking on some of these guys pre-draft posts, the flip-flopping is unreal!:sidelol:

 

[finsfan911]

20 teams passed on him cause either a) they didn't need a QB and had a way more pressing need or b) a player that could make a more immediate impact was available

We supported him when he came in because of his promising ideas and moves and ability to work with Mueller, however we quickly changed our minds when we saw he wouldn't take the best *or 2nd best if you're a Jamarcus fan* QB in the draft.


Of course we "flip-flopped", we had just gotten rid of Nick Saban and gotten the CHARGERS OC, who wouldn't be happy. Plus Cam didn't seem like a total d*ck who wouldnt listen to anybody, but now we saw how naive he was in that he skipped on a QB that wasnt even expected to fall to us.


However, i do like the Ginn pick, *rather have Quinn* and i hope our o-line can become better so we can have a good offense.

 

[WISfinfan13]

right if your backing him and calling him a mastermind...Shouldnt you trust his decisions???

 

[Agent51]

When I started checking back on all the guys who are posting all this negative crap about who we picked and how our staff just passed on the "Franchise QB of our future"..... about 90% of these same posters were crooning 2 months ago about how Cam Cameron is the best thing since sliced bread..... so, how come if he is such a mastermind, do you know more than he does when it comes to evaluating talent?:confused: Obviously, HE took the guys HE thinks HE needs to return this franchise to its once proud glory. And at this point, HIS opinion is all that really matters.
Face it, Brady Quinn obviously lacks something that was scaring teams away from him, it wasn't just Miami, 20 other teams passed on him as well, including Cleveland. And no one was trying to trade up to get him. It's Cam Camerons job to build this team. Let him do the job he was hired for.

do some back checking on some of these guys pre-draft posts, the flip-flopping is unreal!:sidelol:

Yeah, and a lot of people though Nick Saban was a saviour too, until they saw 90% of the players he drafted were SEC guys and not necessarily the best for us.

People loved (love) Cam because we are excited about the prospect of an offensive-minded coach coming in, and saw what he did in SD with their offense. Disagreeing with his draft doesn't change that fact. I am pissed at Cam for passing on Quinn, especially for Ginn, but I am still excited to see what he does with our offense. There's a distinct ddifference there.

 

[Rick 1966]

Lots of people liked the Saban hiring too...until he turned out to be totally wrong to be an NFL coach. Some people just aren't cut out for it. Not saying Cameron necessarily isn't, but the way he handled this draft isn't a good sign.

 

[jonanthans]

20 teams passed on him cause either a) they didn't need a QB and had a way more pressing need or b) a player that could make a more immediate impact was available

In the pretty-much-agreed-on-theory of NEVER passing on a legitimate Franchise QB, the following teams passed on him, teams that either NEED a Qb or have SOME UNCERTAINTY at the position:

1: Oakland, preferred Russell over Quinn, ok that's acceptable
2: Detroit, hmmmmmm Kitna, then what? Passed even with RULE listed above. I'll Partly mark that one for Millen..
3: Cleveland, passed
4:Minnesota, likes Tavaris over Quinn? Obviously not a good feeling for him either, chose an injured RB when they already have Chester Taylor.
5: Miami- No Doubt needs QB help, yet still chose to pass,even with the RULE listed above.
6: Green Bay- not liking Rodgers so far,yet didn't see Quinn as their next Favre .
7: Jax- Leftwich barely holding off journeyman Garrard
8: Chicago- Could have attempted to move up to grab this "FUTURE STAR", chose to stick with Grossman.
9: Baltimore- Could have attempted to move up to grab this "FUTURE STAR", instead McNair has 1-2 years max, then back to Boller...

agreed, not all of the above teams desperatley need a Qb, but they all have question marks at the position, and if they shared your opinion that Quinn was the next Marino, Favre or Brady, wouldn't you think they would have moved up to get him?


We supported him when he came in because of his promising ideas and moves and ability to work with Mueller, however we quickly changed our minds when we saw he wouldn't take the best*or 2nd best if you're a Jamarcus fan* QB in the draft.

so, who is saying he is the best? it is Cam's opinion that matters, not ours. He obviously doesn't share your love for the guy, as neither does the teams listed above that chose to pass.

 

[phin in the NW]

20 teams passed on him cause either a) they didn't need a QB and had a way more pressing need or b) a player that could make a more immediate impact was available

[I]But if Quinn is this amazing franchise quarterback then one of those 20 would've picked him. Especially since the adage "best player availiable" is the montra for the majority of NFL teams. Also, in listening to a bunch of interviews, including ESPN's Mortenson, a lot of teams had Beck rated higher and also had Stanton rated equally to Quinn. I really am puzzled about this idea that he was the can't miss franchise qb. There are plenty of holes in his game and enough questions that warranted Miami not taking him. As for Ginn, I'm nervous about that pick but we need speed and a change the game type of player and he has a chance to bring that to us.[/I]

We supported him when he came in because of his promising ideas and moves and ability to work with Mueller, however we quickly changed our minds when we saw he wouldn't take the best *or 2nd best if you're a Jamarcus fan* QB in the draft.

Well, in my opinion we got the second best qb in the draft. Remember Mueller and Cameron are working together on this draft. Cameron, to the best of my knowledge, didn't over rule Mueller. Seems to me he and Mueller worked very well together. Lets see, a game breaker and potentially one of the two or thee fastest guys in the NFL, a highly accurate qb with a great work ethic, who is being compared to Brees, a versatil(sp) offensive lineman with a mean streak, and a space eating NT. Thats just the first half of the draft. Other then crossing my fingers regarding Ginn, i have absolutely no problem with that draft.

Of course we "flip-flopped", we had just gotten rid of Nick Saban and gotten the CHARGERS OC, who wouldn't be happy. Plus Cam didn't seem like a total d*ck who wouldnt listen to anybody, but now we saw how naive he was in that he skipped on a QB that wasnt even expected to fall to us.

He was listening to exactly who we wanted him to listen to, Randy Mueller and the coaches who LOVED Ginn. He also was listening to our qb coach who worked with Brady and supported getting Beck. I'm glad he isn't listening to any of us, i'm pretty sure we didn't put in the time Mueller and Cameron did. Don't drink the presses kool-aid, Cameron knows qb's and he picked Beck.

However, i do like the Ginn pick, *rather have Quinn* and i hope our o-line can become better so we can have a good offense.

[I]In the end we are all die-hard fans and i know every guy who is bagging on this draft would rather be dead wrong. I just hope i'm right in feeling good about it. Remember, Wanny's drafts were always given high grades by the press...maybe this is a good omen:) [/I]

 

[jonanthans]

Lots of people liked the Saban hiring too...until he turned out to be totally wrong to be an NFL coach. Some people just aren't cut out for it. Not saying Cameron necessarily isn't, but the way he handled this draft isn't a good sign.

Thats where I don't understand, none of these guys have even stepped onto the field for us yet. But you guys are already writing it off as a bad draft? A WR who could possibly be the next Steve Smith and a Qb who could be the next Steve Young, you guys have them penciled in as Yatil Green and Ryan Leaf. Give it a year before you write this off as a bad draft,

 

[Rick 1966]

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Thats where I don't understand, none of these guys have even stepped onto the field for us yet. But you guys are already writing it off as a bad draft? A WR who could possibly be the next Steve Smith and a Qb who could be the next Steve Young, you guys have them penciled in as Yatil Green and Ryan Leaf. Give it a year before you write this off as a bad draft,

EVERY WR in the draft could be the "next" superstar. But the fact remains you draft according to risk/reward if you're smart. Drafting a fragile, undersized punt returner with a nagging injury at the ninth overall pick is a mistake. No matter what he winds up doing, good or bad, it was a bad risk, a risk you don't take with that high a pick.

 

[OnSlaught]

i really dont know how other people feel but it has nothing to do about steppin on the field or being in that position we are all fans and we were sold by the media the Brady Quinn was the 2nd best QB and we ALL know that we are hurting at QB 10 different QBs since Marino come on so we were sold we expected and we were shocked thats just it i am sure there are people out there that want Coaches head but that will all change

i had my cousins going nuts saying we suck saying the same thing everyone is saying and i just said first look at who we got and then decide this is such a long process this is rebuilding this deal wont be made in one season

 

[EireTiger]

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This "20 teams passed on Quinn" threrefore he's not that good theory is silly. By that same logic, EVERY team passed on John Beck, does that mean he completely sucks?

Let's hope BEck works out, he could prove to be an accurate passer, good game manager and do a good job of leveraging the talent around him.

The bottom line is that if BEck is not better than Quinn, this draft will be criticized for many years.

 

[phin in the NW]

This "20 teams passed on Quinn" threrefore he's not that good theory is silly. By that same logic, EVERY team passed on John Beck, does that mean he completely sucks?

Let's hope BEck works out, he could prove to be an accurate passer, good game manager and do a good job of leveraging the talent around him.

The bottom line is that if BEck is not better than Quinn, this draft will be criticized for many years.

Your point that Beck is not better then Quinn is based on what? Just curious because you sound very sure of this. Is this your opinion or have you talked with scouts, gm's, coaches and such. Seems to me that not everyone is as sure as you are.

 

[jonanthans]

EVERY WR in the draft could be the "next" superstar. But the fact remains you draft according to risk/reward if you're smart. Drafting a fragile, undersized punt returner with a nagging injury at the ninth overall pick is a mistake. No matter what he winds up doing, good or bad, it was a bad risk, a risk you don't take with that high a pick.

The same could be said for drafting a Qb that disappeared in all the big games. Every first round pick is a risk, the point I am trying to make is that the powers that be, i.e. Cam Cameron evaluated the situation and decided Ginn was the best pick at that point. Agree with it or disagree, that is your opinion and I won't knock you for that, Rick. But what kills me is the guys who were all over Cam's sack about he is an "offensive genius", then question and annihilate him on the very first choice he makes because it's not what "they" would have done. It's the "optimistic vs the pessimistic" crowd

 

[jonanthans]

This "20 teams passed on Quinn" threrefore he's not that good theory is silly. By that same logic, EVERY team passed on John Beck, does that mean he completely sucks?

Let's hope BEck works out, he could prove to be an accurate passer, good game manager and do a good job of leveraging the talent around him.

The bottom line is that if BEck is not better than Quinn, this draft will be criticized for many years.

BECK wasn't being heralded as the FRANCHISE QB, best in the draft, now was he? Beck was graded as a solid Qb with a ton of reward, and considered by many to be a late first, early second round pick, which is where he went. Quinn was projected by many as the #1 Qb in this draft, and yet he was passed on by 20 teams. Read it again.

 

[Rick 1966]

The same could be said for drafting a Qb that disappeared in all the big games.

I don't give a damn about Quinn, so don't make this about him. There were players available that were not as "sexy" as Ginn, but who would have been far safer...most of them on defense.