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What a difference a week makes. After the loss to Tennessee, the fire Adam Gase posts ran rampant on this site. After Jay Ayaji ran rampant on the Pittsburgh defense (who saw that coming) the mood has changed.

I was disappointed in Miami's first five games wondering if Gase was Cam Cameron. Bottom line, he needs time to put his blueprint on this team that is still filled with Joe Philibin players for the most part.

My question is what do you all think will be Gase's blueprint? Hard to say from his first offseason, although going with bigger defensive ends screams of Nick Saban. Will Gase be similar to Saban and John Fox, two coaches that he worked under? Will he put together the type of physical team on both sides of the ball that I believe most fans want? Seems like the right blueprint to win in this league.

Ryan Tannehill, like Gase, has been debated on this site. What is he? Is he an average quarterback? Someone you can win with or does he need to be replaced? I believe that Tannehill wins the super bowl with Denver last year. So while I would like him to have better pocket presence etc., I think he's good enough.

For what it's worth, Pro Football Focus had Tannehill ranked 11th two years ago and 19th last year. That's a two year average of 15 out of 32 starters, right smack in the middle of the NFL. But that's also without a great offensive line or a consistent running game. We saw how well Tannehill played when he got both on Sunday versus the Steelers.

Gase may decide to go in a different direction at the quarterback position as it buys him a little more time, but I hope moving forward Miami makes a real commitment to building a championship defense. There are a few pieces on defense, but not many. That's where I'd concentrate over the next several seasons.
 
The win was a nice surprise and well deserved. Everything was nearly perfect. But one game does not make a season for anybody or any team. We have two divisional home games coming up (split by a bye week). In all honesty if you can't win division games especially at home I want you out of town. End of story.
 
What a difference a week makes. After the loss to Tennessee, the fire Adam Gase posts ran rampant on this site. After Jay Ayaji ran rampant on the Pittsburgh defense (who saw that coming) the mood has changed.

I was disappointed in Miami's first five games wondering if Gase was Cam Cameron. Bottom line, he needs time to put his blueprint on this team that is still filled with Joe Philibin players for the most part.

My question is what do you all think will be Gase's blueprint? Hard to say from his first offseason, although going with bigger defensive ends screams of Nick Saban. Will Gase be similar to Saban and John Fox, two coaches that he worked under? Will he put together the type of physical team on both sides of the ball that I believe most fans want? Seems like the right blueprint to win in this league.

Ryan Tannehill, like Gase, has been debated on this site. What is he? Is he an average quarterback? Someone you can win with or does he need to be replaced? I believe that Tannehill wins the super bowl with Denver last year. So while I would like him to have better pocket presence etc., I think he's good enough.

For what it's worth, Pro Football Focus had Tannehill ranked 11th two years ago and 19th last year. That's a two year average of 15 out of 32 starters, right smack in the middle of the NFL. But that's also without a great offensive line or a consistent running game. We saw how well Tannehill played when he got both on Sunday versus the Steelers.

Gase may decide to go in a different direction at the quarterback position as it buys him a little more time, but I hope moving forward Miami makes a real commitment to building a championship defense. There are a few pieces on defense, but not many. That's where I'd concentrate over the next several seasons.

I don't like averages. Here's my take. I divide every position into quintiles. 1>6 are "top" QB, 27>32 are bottom-dwellers. 11th is near bottom of tier two, 19th is bottom of average. That said, Tannehill is an upgrade target, but not the BIGGEST upgrade target. I call DE/OLB top targets and, no, Miami won't be picking top 5.
 
The win was a nice surprise and well deserved. Everything was nearly perfect. But one game does not make a season for anybody or any team. We have two divisional home games coming up (split by a bye week). In all honesty if you can't win division games especially at home I want you out of town. End of story.

Very good point. You need to win at home and you need to win your division games. Next two weeks are the middle of the Venn! I don't consider them make or break for Gase yet though!
 
The win was a nice surprise and well deserved. Everything was nearly perfect. But one game does not make a season for anybody or any team. We have two divisional home games coming up (split by a bye week). In all honesty if you can't win division games especially at home I want you out of town. End of story.

I get that. Miami hasn't matched up well in the division recently, going 1-5 last year. To a large degree that's because this Dolphin team is not physical. The offensive guard play has killed Miami in matchups with physical teams like Buffalo and the Jets.

That said, Gase deserves time to put in his system and develop his players. He needs to find his keepers and build from there. I'm not sure how many of us looked at this team and said major rebuild, but that seems most likely. No?
 
I don't like averages. Here's my take. I divide every position into quintiles. 1>6 are "top" QB, 27>32 are bottom-dwellers. 11th is near bottom of tier two, 19th is bottom of average. That said, Tannehill is an upgrade target, but not the BIGGEST upgrade target. I call DE/OLB top targets and, no, Miami won't be picking top 5.

Agree on your top targets. If picking outside top 5, Peppers may be the best player available and he's more of a hybrid linebacker/safety. Not sure who the next best pass rusher is after Garrett.
 
I think next year we will have 5 really good defensive pieces. Suh, Jones, Alonso, Howard, and I really think Lippett will excel from here on out. McCain is passable at nickel, two open lb spots, Maxwell who knows, same with culliver, qaddis is maybe passable at the other safety spot. If we could send two of the so-so starters to the bench and replace them with quality starters we're in business for a top 10 defense. Imo.
 
I think next year we will have 5 really good defensive pieces. Suh, Jones, Alonso, Howard, and I really think Lippett will excel from here on out. McCain is passable at nickel, two open lb spots, Maxwell who knows, same with culliver, qaddis is maybe passable at the other safety spot. If we could send two of the so-so starters to the bench and replace them with quality starters we're in business for a top 10 defense. Imo.

Yeah, I know I'm going OT, but the D has a LOT of question marks that won't be resolved until game 16 - Phillips, Branch, Mario, all CBs except Howard, IQ. Those guys will determine how much work VJ has this offseason. I agree - hints from Gase indicate he wants nasty, aggressive players. Given that, I want to see VJ improve on game planning. Maxwell, for example, - let players play to their strengths.
 
What a difference a week makes. After the loss to Tennessee, the fire Adam Gase posts ran rampant on this site. After Jay Ayaji ran rampant on the Pittsburgh defense (who saw that coming) the mood has changed.

I was disappointed in Miami's first five games wondering if Gase was Cam Cameron. Bottom line, he needs time to put his blueprint on this team that is still filled with Joe Philibin players for the most part.

My question is what do you all think will be Gase's blueprint? Hard to say from his first offseason, although going with bigger defensive ends screams of Nick Saban. Will Gase be similar to Saban and John Fox, two coaches that he worked under? Will he put together the type of physical team on both sides of the ball that I believe most fans want? Seems like the right blueprint to win in this league.

Ryan Tannehill, like Gase, has been debated on this site. What is he? Is he an average quarterback? Someone you can win with or does he need to be replaced? I believe that Tannehill wins the super bowl with Denver last year. So while I would like him to have better pocket presence etc., I think he's good enough.

For what it's worth, Pro Football Focus had Tannehill ranked 11th two years ago and 19th last year. That's a two year average of 15 out of 32 starters, right smack in the middle of the NFL. But that's also without a great offensive line or a consistent running game. We saw how well Tannehill played when he got both on Sunday versus the Steelers.

Gase may decide to go in a different direction at the quarterback position as it buys him a little more time, but I hope moving forward Miami makes a real commitment to building a championship defense. There are a few pieces on defense, but not many. That's where I'd concentrate over the next several seasons.

I think the answers are as simple as this...we finally have an above average offensive line...if this group stays healthy we'll be good.
 
What a difference a week makes. After the loss to Tennessee, the fire Adam Gase posts ran rampant on this site. After Jay Ayaji ran rampant on the Pittsburgh defense (who saw that coming) the mood has changed.

I was disappointed in Miami's first five games wondering if Gase was Cam Cameron. Bottom line, he needs time to put his blueprint on this team that is still filled with Joe Philibin players for the most part.

My question is what do you all think will be Gase's blueprint? Hard to say from his first offseason, although going with bigger defensive ends screams of Nick Saban. Will Gase be similar to Saban and John Fox, two coaches that he worked under? Will he put together the type of physical team on both sides of the ball that I believe most fans want? Seems like the right blueprint to win in this league.

Ryan Tannehill, like Gase, has been debated on this site. What is he? Is he an average quarterback? Someone you can win with or does he need to be replaced? I believe that Tannehill wins the super bowl with Denver last year. So while I would like him to have better pocket presence etc., I think he's good enough.

For what it's worth, Pro Football Focus had Tannehill ranked 11th two years ago and 19th last year. That's a two year average of 15 out of 32 starters, right smack in the middle of the NFL. But that's also without a great offensive line or a consistent running game. We saw how well Tannehill played when he got both on Sunday versus the Steelers.

Gase may decide to go in a different direction at the quarterback position as it buys him a little more time, but I hope moving forward Miami makes a real commitment to building a championship defense. There are a few pieces on defense, but not many. That's where I'd concentrate over the next several seasons.

I think it was telling that Gase said that Tannehill was just an adequate quarterback in the press conference today, and then thanked certain FH posters for enlightening him...
 
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