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Ginn Makes Sense: If you think about it.

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I posted this over in VIP earlier, but I thought I'd share it on the draft forum.

There is a way to understand the first day, but we have to view it in a fairly rational way instead of with emotions.

First, let me say I empathize with the anger, I was as angry as anyone at the Ginn pick. In fact, I explained it to a friend of mine that the only logical way it could have happened is if someone poisoned the entire Dolphin's staff and a 10 year old kid walked in and made the pick because he thought Ginn was awesome on the XBOX.

But, in retrospect it makes some sense if you give it some thought.

1. Quinn Always Out: We clearly did not value Brady Quinn and that's just the way it is. Whatever the Dolphins saw in scouting the guy, they decided before the draft they were not taking him, period. The funny thing is we are all watching as we hold our breath through each pick for something that was never going to happen. Beck was always the target.

2. Unlucky Draft: The draft broke badly for us. I know you Quinn supporters were giddy over the miracle, but I'd bet we were hoping for one of two things. Levi Brown or Adrian Peterson. Brown because we needed the LT and Peterson not to take him, but to be able to trade out of the spot for more picks. Neither happened.

3. Failed Trade Out: We tried to trade out and nothing was offered that was value. If you listened to the radio broadcast from Miami, Maddog and the rest kept marveling at how the Dolphins were using up all their time and it was so obvious that Quinn was the pick. In retrospect, the Dolphins were trying to work the phones to get out. But, no one wanted to trade up for Quinn that high and there was nothing else left worth trading up to draft.

4. Offense Required: The best value at 9 was defense and we weren't going defense. Look at the board at 9. No offensive player gets drafted over the next 10 picks except Lynch (A poor reach by Buffalo at RB). So if you want offense, don't like Quinn and can't trade out, what's left that even remotely has value? Ted Ginn.

In retrospect, no one was poisoned, and the pick actually makes some sense given the circumstances. We can all wish things had gone differently, but that's life. Let's hope Ginn can learn to run some routes.
 
If you've been following Mueller these past months, the Ginn pick wasnt very surprising. hes been talking about how all he wants is speed at receiver, and how he wants a player who really wow'd him on tape.
 
I have nothing against Ginn.. and he may have "wow'd" everyone with his video.. My gripe is Ginn would have been available at #40 and we wasted a #9...

If management thought Quinn is a bust.. then so be it, I can respect them for that.. but why not trade the #9 pick for multiple picks later on and then draft Ginn @ #40 ?
 
I have nothing against Ginn.. and he may have "wow'd" everyone with his video.. My gripe is Ginn would have been available at #40 and we wasted a #9...

If management thought Quinn is a bust.. then so be it, I can respect them for that.. but why not trade the #9 pick for multiple picks later on and then draft Ginn @ #40 ?

Totally concur. If we couldn't trade down Leon Hall (CB) was available if you pick BPA.
 
I have nothing against Ginn.. and he may have "wow'd" everyone with his video.. My gripe is Ginn would have been available at #40 and we wasted a #9...

If management thought Quinn is a bust.. then so be it, I can respect them for that.. but why not trade the #9 pick for multiple picks later on and then draft Ginn @ #40 ?

Theres no way that Ginn would have lasted until 40

We obviously didn't want a defensive player, which is the only loaded spot at our pick, and they must have had no intrest in Quinn so like it was said above Ginn had to be the pick..

I REALLY wanted Quinn, but I have no problem at all with Ted Ginn.. We need a dynamic burner like him, and I am glad that he is on our team. I don't see anyway that he would have lasted until 40 though
 
I have nothing against Ginn.. and he may have "wow'd" everyone with his video.. My gripe is Ginn would have been available at #40 and we wasted a #9...

If management thought Quinn is a bust.. then so be it, I can respect them for that.. but why not trade the #9 pick for multiple picks later on and then draft Ginn @ #40 ?
What in the world makes you think he would be there at 40? Before the combine, even after the injury to his foot, he was still rated top ten on a lot of mocks and boards. so when his foot does heal, he'll be top ten again.

And what makes you think they didn't try and trade the pick? Read the first post, that's probably what they were trying to do.
 
I have nothing against Ginn.. and he may have "wow'd" everyone with his video.. My gripe is Ginn would have been available at #40 and we wasted a #9...

If management thought Quinn is a bust.. then so be it, I can respect them for that.. but why not trade the #9 pick for multiple picks later on and then draft Ginn @ #40 ?

My God, if i hear one more person say, "why didn't we trade down". People, listen very carefully, you CANNOT trade down if there is no one willing to to trade up with you!

The man's post, stated the FO tried to trade down and couldn't. What were they supposed to do? Not take the person they had rated the highest and take someone they had rated lower, because no one was willing to trade?

Jeep, I'm sorry, I'm not yelling at you or anything, I do not mean to sound like an ***hole. It just drives me crazy when people say that, without allowing for the possibility that they couldn't.
 
We wanted speed at receiver to stretch the field. We got it. A lot of it. In 1 player. He might be undersized but he is fast enough to break free from CBs or safties and be open for touchdowns. He's an ATM: Automatic Touchdown Machine.
 
I have nothing against Ginn.. and he may have "wow'd" everyone with his video.. My gripe is Ginn would have been available at #40 and we wasted a #9...

If management thought Quinn is a bust.. then so be it, I can respect them for that.. but why not trade the #9 pick for multiple picks later on and then draft Ginn @ #40 ?

I don;t think he is available at 40. Kiper had him as 14th in the draft. He was a reach, but lets not go overboard.
 
OK,

I was "Shocked" with the Ginn pick, but in retrospect, and after selecting John Beck, it is making sense. You said it right: Beck was the guy Cam wanted all along and I trust him to evaluate QB's better than us fans.

Let's review what Cam has done so far:

Freed up a ton of salary cap space.
Unloaded a bunch of sorry offensive players.
Upgraded the defense.
Brought us 3 additional picks with his trades.
Drafted one of the fastest players in the draft class in Ginn, and added a lot of speed to the RB position in Booker.
Nabbed the QB that he is looking for.
Picked up arguably the best C in the draft.

OK, that isn't how I would have started the draft (Ginn), but Cam has a plan and is called by many in the football world "an offensive genius". I'm going to wait until after one season and see how many points his offense scores and how many game the Phins win before I make any judgements about his offseason moves and this draft. Until then, I am going to trust Cam to keep making the right choices that he feels will get this offense on track. After all, the offense can't get much worse than last year. Retooling the entire offense has to be good.

So far, I like what I see.

Thanks Cam, GO PHINS~!
 
I posted this over in VIP earlier, but I thought I'd share it on the draft forum.

There is a way to understand the first day, but we have to view it in a fairly rational way instead of with emotions.

First, let me say I empathize with the anger, I was as angry as anyone at the Ginn pick. In fact, I explained it to a friend of mine that the only logical way it could have happened is if someone poisoned the entire Dolphin's staff and a 10 year old kid walked in and made the pick because he thought Ginn was awesome on the XBOX.

But, in retrospect it makes some sense if you give it some thought.

1. Quinn Always Out: We clearly did not value Brady Quinn and that's just the way it is. Whatever the Dolphins saw in scouting the guy, they decided before the draft they were not taking him, period. The funny thing is we are all watching as we hold our breath through each pick for something that was never going to happen. Beck was always the target.

2. Unlucky Draft: The draft broke badly for us. I know you Quinn supporters were giddy over the miracle, but I'd bet we were hoping for one of two things. Levi Brown or Adrian Peterson. Brown because we needed the LT and Peterson not to take him, but to be able to trade out of the spot for more picks. Neither happened.

3. Failed Trade Out: We tried to trade out and nothing was offered that was value. If you listened to the radio broadcast from Miami, Maddog and the rest kept marveling at how the Dolphins were using up all their time and it was so obvious that Quinn was the pick. In retrospect, the Dolphins were trying to work the phones to get out. But, no one wanted to trade up for Quinn that high and there was nothing else left worth trading up to draft.

4. Offense Required: The best value at 9 was defense and we weren't going defense. Look at the board at 9. No offensive player gets drafted over the next 10 picks except Lynch (A poor reach by Buffalo at RB). So if you want offense, don't like Quinn and can't trade out, what's left that even remotely has value? Ted Ginn.

In retrospect, no one was poisoned, and the pick actually makes some sense given the circumstances. We can all wish things had gone differently, but that's life. Let's hope Ginn can learn to run some routes.

This makes me fell better than anything I've read so far...now I can go to church today and with a clear conscience ask God to forgive me for wanting to dis-member Mueller for the pick and Cam for that stupid "Ginn family" comment. THANKS!:D
 
OK,

I was "Shocked" with the Ginn pick, but in retrospect, and after selecting John Beck, it is making sense. You said it right: Beck was the guy Cam wanted all along and I trust him to evaluate QB's better than us fans.

That remains to be seen.

If Quinn goes to the HoF and Beck doesn't, i'll crown myself a better evaluator of QB's...if the opposite happends, I will crown Cameron.

Fair?

I think so.
 
This makes me fell better than anything I've read so far...now I can go to church today and with a clear conscience ask God to forgive me for wanting to dis-member Mueller for the pick and Cam for that stupid "Ginn family" comment. THANKS!:D

Me too. I was about to make a Mueller voodoo doll. We'll see how it works out.
 
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