Ginn pick to ease the wrath of Mr. H ??

[Thumper54]

Just a quick thought here. If you will recall Mr Huizenga said that our draft picks will be in camp without fail this year, from day one. Well, Jason Allen heard the same threat last year and reported late after a contract feud. I was just wondering if Mr H's iteration of that position before the draft, may have had some impact on our choices. Brady Quinn's agent is Tom Condon and his first round picks, very often do not sign or report in timely fashion. I do not even know who Ginn's agent is, but I do know Cameron has known the family since he was a kid. Seeing as Ginn has landed amongst family and arrived in the NFL slotted for a much bigger contract than he thought he would receive, I believe Huizenga's wish will come true this year. I mean I cannot see Ginn holding out under any circumstances and that was Waynes big wish. Anybody have any thoughts on this topic?


:bighug:

 

[NM Dolfan]

I think this may have had a minor impact on their draft decision, but I think the real reason the way things happened the way they did was Ginn's speed and Beck's accuracy (and Quinn's lack thereof). But I bet you're right in the sense that Ginn's relationship with Cameron will certainly help in signing him before training camp begins.

 

[Crypt Keeper]

This was not [SIZE=-1]Huizenga's plan at all. This was 100% from Mueller and Cameron and Wayne did not know this was their plan until the Wednesday before the draft. You don't draft talent based on who is their agent. lol.

They chose Ginn over Quinn because of his speed and game changing abilities and the fact they could get a QB in the second round that is as (or even more) talented then Quinn.
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[Roman529]

Forget any holdouts...lets just hope Ginn's foot is healed by the time the season starts.

 

[McMichael]

Just a quick thought here. If you will recall Mr Huizenga said that our draft picks will be in camp without fail this year, from day one. Well, Jason Allen heard the same threat last year and reported late after a contract feud. I was just wondering if Mr H's iteration of that position before the draft, may have had some impact on our choices. Brady Quinn's agent is Tom Condon and his first round picks, very often do not sign or report in timely fashion. I do not even know who Ginn's agent is, but I do know Cameron has known the family since he was a kid. Seeing as Ginn has landed amongst family and arrived in the NFL slotted for a much bigger contract than he thought he would receive, I believe Huizenga's wish will come true this year. I mean I cannot see Ginn holding out under any circumstances and that was Waynes big wish. Anybody have any thoughts on this topic?





:bighug:

why does everyone think ginn was a reach?!?

If we didnt select him at #9, its been reported that houston would have definitely taken him at #10!!!... soo umm ginn was expecting plenty of money. top 10 pick no matter what

 

[JT#1]

why does everyone think ginn was a reach?!?

If we didnt select him at #9, its been reported that houston would have definitely taken him at #10!!!... soo umm ginn was expecting plenty of money. top 10 pick no matter what

because people think mel kiper jr and is god.

 

[jumpinjeffd]

First post so I am new at this....

But here is the thing busted foot and all Ginn Jr. is fast and spreads the field for us.

According to ESPN he has a 13.2ish yds per reception average. Look at Welker he is at 10.2ish.

Just look at how a fast Welker was able to be 2nd on the team with receiving yards.

Now look at a guy (Ginn Jr) who is all of 5 pounds lighter than Welker, 2 inches taller, and MUCH faster.

You think that is why we took him? Plus he is going to arguably (no disrespect to Hester) going to be the best return man around.

Just my quick and humble thoughts.

 

[Trowa]

I'm almost certain that Brady Quinn and Ted Ginn Jr. have the same agent.

 

[PATRIOT REIGN]

First post so I am new at this....

But here is the thing busted foot and all Ginn Jr. is fast and spreads the field for us.

According to ESPN he has a 13.2ish yds per reception average. Look at Welker he is at 10.2ish.

Just look at how a fast Welker was able to be 2nd on the team with receiving yards.

Now look at a guy (Ginn Jr) who is all of 5 pounds lighter than Welker, 2 inches taller, and MUCH faster.

You think that is why we took him? Plus he is going to arguably (no disrespect to Hester) going to be the best return man around.

Just my quick and humble thoughts.

OK
Busted foot and all Ginn is fast and spreads the field...NO...with a busted foot Ginn does not even see the field never mind spread the field.

You want to compare yards per reception with a guy that played college versus a guy who played in the NFL...NO it doesn't work that way my friend.

How about taking BOWE,MEACHEM,JARRET,and RICE and tell me who was last
in receptions last year in college...if you guessed Ginn your 100% right.

How about who was last in receiving yards...Ginn Again

How about who was last in yards per receptions...Ginn Again

How about who was last in touchdowns...Ginn again

All this despite playing with the Heisman Trophy winning QB.

As for Wes Welker having only 10.3 yards per reception we fail to
take into consideration WHO his QB was...remember JOEY???/

The previous year Welker had a 15.0 yards per reception(with another QB not named JOEY) compared to Ginns
13.2 AND AS PREVIOUSLY STATED ONE PLAYED IN A MORE DIFFICULT LEAGUE.

Welker had 67 receptions and 687 yards as a possession receiver
which if you can get the same production out of Ginn I'm sure 90% of the people on this forum would be elated.

As for the height and weight issues are they really a factor here?
I would think the first time Ginn is lined up by Sean Taylor or LaRon Landry
the collective members here will be holding there breath wondering what will be the results...Versus Welker who in my estimation was/is one tough individual that like the energizer bunny took all hits and kept on ticking...
Lets see if Ginn can keep on ticking.

And you want to compare Ginn who in his 13 games last season had 1
punt return for a TD and 1 kickoff return for a TD. Hardly the stats I would be writting home about ..PLEASE lets see what he can do in the NFL WORLD before we buy him that plane ticket to Hawaii and that means receiving,kick return,punt return and will he be healthy or will he be the kind of player that is injured all the time...Time to step up because your playing with the big boys now Mr.Ginn Jr.

 

[dlockz]

because people think mel kiper jr and is god.

1.because he is injured.
2.because he has ran limited routes
3.because he is very raw receiver
4.because he he is smallish, weight wise

Most people that were self proclaimed gurus had Ginn rated lower for some of these reason's.

 

[Al13]

OK
Busted foot and all Ginn is fast and spreads the field...NO...with a busted foot Ginn does not even see the field never mind spread the field.

You want to compare yards per reception with a guy that played college versus a guy who played in the NFL...NO it doesn't work that way my friend.

How about taking BOWE,MEACHEM,JARRET,and RICE and tell me who was last
in receptions last year in college...if you guessed Ginn your 100% right.

How about who was last in receiving yards...Ginn Again

How about who was last in yards per receptions...Ginn Again

How about who was last in touchdowns...Ginn again

All this despite playing with the Heisman Trophy winning QB.

As for Wes Welker having only 10.3 yards per reception we fail to
take into consideration WHO his QB was...remember JOEY???/

The previous year Welker had a 15.0 yards per reception(with another QB not named JOEY) compared to Ginns
13.2 AND AS PREVIOUSLY STATED ONE PLAYED IN A MORE DIFFICULT LEAGUE.

Welker had 67 receptions and 687 yards as a possession receiver
which if you can get the same production out of Ginn I'm sure 90% of the people on this forum would be elated.

As for the height and weight issues are they really a factor here?
I would think the first time Ginn is lined up by Sean Taylor or LaRon Landry
the collective members here will be holding there breath wondering what will be the results...Versus Welker who in my estimation was/is one tough individual that like the energizer bunny took all hits and kept on ticking...
Lets see if Ginn can keep on ticking.

And you want to compare Ginn who in his 13 games last season had 1
punt return for a TD and 1 kickoff return for a TD. Hardly the stats I would be writting home about ..PLEASE lets see what he can do in the NFL WORLD before we buy him that plane ticket to Hawaii and that means receiving,kick return,punt return and will he be healthy or will he be the kind of player that is injured all the time...Time to step up because your playing with the big boys now Mr.Ginn Jr.

its not always about numbers , sometimes you have to also credit what a player will do to the rest of your teamates by just lining up


so and no need to brag about wes welker, we know that NE loves him why would they have given us a 2nd and a 7th for him if not :rofl:

 

[finfan54]

why does everyone think ginn was a reach?!?

If we didnt select him at #9, its been reported that houston would have definitely taken him at #10!!!... soo umm ginn was expecting plenty of money. top 10 pick no matter what

I said it before and I will say it a million times from now, Ginn is a reach because he has an injury that has taken a long time to heal and we really do not know the truth on that. WR's the size of Ginn usually do not last long term or stay with one team. There are exceptions, but statistics would not bear this out. Ginn is a reach because of this. When you pick at #9, the idea is to get someone who will immediately start at a position (KR/PR in this situation) and be locked into that spot for many years to come. We cant even say that Ginn will make it through a 17 week season yet. That is why it is a reach. You are betting the farm that what this guy brings will bring instant upgrade to a position. Well in this case, he has multiple task positions so that means he will have more to be graded on. With all the hype on him, you may soon start to realize that all that hype was not worth it.

 

[LarryFinFan]

1.because he is injured.
2.because he has ran limited routes
3.because he is very raw receiver
4.because he he is smallish, weight wise

Most people that were self proclaimed gurus had Ginn rated lower for some of these reason's.

The reason he was rated lower is that he didn't get in the workouts and combine like the other receivers. If you look at the first mock drafts, they nearly ALL had us taking Ginn at #9. He ran limited routes, because they had Gonzalez on the other side. In that scheme, that is all that was asked of him and where, for that offensive setup, he was best utilized. That raw receiver made some pretty good secondaries look pretty inadequate. He is about the same size as Marvin Harrison was coming into the league...didn't seem to slow him down any...Joe Rose was commenting on his show the day after the draft that when you stand next to Ginn, contrary to the reports, he is built very much like Harrison and is not slight-of-build like some reports.

The bottom line is that he was drafted to be a play-maker in this offense. If WW, an average receiver and returner by ALL accounts, was made to look like a 2nd round value pick, imagine what a real offensive coordinator can do with Ginn and the exceptional talent and speed he has.

That is the key with Ginn, what Cam can do with him to exploit defenses. Even IF he isn't going to be the best route runner this year (and what rookier receiver really understands this coming out of college) that is something he can learn. Getting off the bump (another thing that all young WRs struggle with) is another weakness that can be learned. The thing is with Ginn, if you look at the tapes, he's not that bad in these two areas of being a WR than he is made out to be.

Only time will tell of course. That's why we play the games. However, Ginn brings some things to the table that we haven't seen here since Clayton and Duper were here.

The other thing about Ginn landing here is that most people were shocked (including me) that we didn't take Quinn who was available, not so much worried that Ginn was a reach.

 

[PalmBeacher]

Ginn Played last year w/ broken toe

Ted Ginn News

Ginn says he'll play despite broken toe Oct. 26, 2006
by John Shipley
Heisman Trophy candidate Ted Ginn has broken the pinkie toe on his right foot but said Wednesday he plans to play Saturday against Minnesota.
The Ohio State receiver and kick returner said he broke the toe when he bumped it on a door in the football offices before last Saturday's game against Indiana. He caught five passes for 72 yards and a touchdown in the Buckeyes' 44-3 victory.
The toe bothered him "a little bit," he said, "but I played through it. I try to be a strong individual. If I'm going to play, I'm not going to make no excuses and say the foot was hurting."
Ginn said he plans to play in Saturday's 2:30 p.m. kickoff against the Gophers, and coach Jim Tressel agreed.
"I'm not the doctor; I'm the coach," Tressel said. "He's playing. I can be trumped by the doctor, but all indications are he'll be fine."
In a 45-31 victory at Minnesota last season, Ginn was held to three catches for 53 yards but returned a kickoff 100 yards for a touchdown.

Source: Tedginnonline.com

 

[Killer B's]

I said it before and I will say it a million times from now, Ginn is a reach because he has an injury that has taken a long time to heal and we really do not know the truth on that. WR's the size of Ginn usually do not last long term or stay with one team. There are exceptions, but statistics would not bear this out. Ginn is a reach because of this. When you pick at #9, the idea is to get someone who will immediately start at a position (KR/PR in this situation) and be locked into that spot for many years to come. We cant even say that Ginn will make it through a 17 week season yet. That is why it is a reach. You are betting the farm that what this guy brings will bring instant upgrade to a position. Well in this case, he has multiple task positions so that means he will have more to be graded on. With all the hype on him, you may soon start to realize that all that hype was not worth it.

Not to defend or discount the Ginn pick but this would not hold true for Quinn since chances are slim he would start immediately. If he did, I believe his rookie performance would be closer to Alex Smith than to Marino.