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Give Tannehill a year to relearn with Lazor. Drop bad habits from Sherman.

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He looks underdeveloped being under Sherman's subpar offenses for too long, and it's obvious that he has bad habits.

Firstly, his footwork in the pocket is poor, but his olines have been poor and have contributed to that. He looks like a headcase back there.

This subsequently contributes to his accuracy issues secondly - granted many passes he just flat out flubs even with adequate time / inconsistent accuracy.

Thirdly, having taken so many sacks, hits, at early stages, it affects his willingness to scramble when he could. He was also never encouraged to run under Sherman, thus his scrambling ability is underdeveloped / He's a pocket qb, trying to run the read-option now. That is why we are seeing inconsistency and regressions - year 3, learning how to play qb, learning a new system.

My case is that with a year under Lazor, hopefully he relearns the position, drops a lot of his habits made with Sherman's systems. If he's half of what Nick Foles was last year under Lazor, it would be a small achievement in progressive development, even if long overdue.
 
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buxster07 said:
He looks underdeveloped being under Sherman's subpar offenses for too long, and it's obvious that he has bad habits.

Firstly, his footwork in the pocket is poor, but his olines have been poor and have contributed to that. He looks like a headcase back there.

This subsequently contributes to his accuracy issues secondly - granted many passes he just flat out flubs even with adequate time.

Thirdly, having taken so many sacks, hits, at this early stage, I believe it affects his willingness to take off and run when he could. He was never encouraged to run under Sherman, and his ability to do so is 3 years underdeveloped / He's a pocket qb, trying to run the read-option now. That is why we are seeing inconsistency and regressions - he's still in year 3, learning how to play qb at an adequate level.

My case is that with a year under Lazor, hopefully he relearns the position, drops a lot of his habits made with Sherman's systems. If he's half of what Nick Foles was last year under Lazor, it would be a small achievement in progressive development, even if long overdue.
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Good points my question since drafting both Ryan T and bringing in his head coach with him from Texas A*M where they could not win is who was the culprit Ryan or Sherman or both. Ryan did not start in college at the QB position for a reason and instead played wide receiver, either he is a slow learner or not a natural QB. Texas A&M started winning right after Sherman left also so Sherman certainly appeared to be part of the problem, glad he is gone.
 
phintim said:
Good points my question since drafting both Ryan T and bringing in his head coach with him from Texas A*M where they could not win is who was the culprit Ryan or Sherman or both. Ryan did not start in college at the QB position for a reason and instead played wide receiver, either he is a slow learner or not a natural QB. Texas A&M started winning right after Sherman left also so Sherman certainly appeared to be part of the problem, glad he is gone.
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I agree, I was not fond of the hire - instead of hiring the 'best OC candidate available' Philbin opted for a familiar friend/mentor. The good ol boy network management approach has not served us well in decades.
 
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His problem is accuracy. He doesn't have the consistent accuracy required of a franchise QB. Doesn't matter what system you put him in. I was holding out hope for him, but going back to the last 2 games of last season and the 1st 2 games this season, he just doesn't look to be a difference maker. With all his athleticism he doesn't have a feel for the pocket breaking down, so he doesn't do a good job of extending plays and buying time. He looks like Henne with more athletic ability.
Too bad about RGIII. Cousins is a guy that would have been worth pursuing via trade.
I have a feeling RGIII's days are numbered in Washington and Cousins is their guy for the future.
 
I think very real success could be had from Tannehill with the right coaching.
He needs to use his legs and get out of the pocket. It will help him get a feel for using speed and evasiveness throughout the game, and he may strengthen his awareness of defenders from it.
Philbin trying to mold him into Aaron Rodgers is IMO now bordering on incompetence. He's simply not that kind of QB, not now and maybe not ever.
 
No, do or die this year. We don't have another year to invest in Tannehill and Philbin. If they can't put it together this year, time to move on.

I wouldn't be opposed with getting Harbaugh and have Tannehill in the Alex Smith role while drafting another QB early to develop though.


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phintim said:
Good points my question since drafting both Ryan T and bringing in his head coach with him from Texas A*M where they could not win is who was the culprit Ryan or Sherman or both. Ryan did not start in college at the QB position for a reason and instead played wide receiver, either he is a slow learner or not a natural QB. Texas A&M started winning right after Sherman left also so Sherman certainly appeared to be part of the problem, glad he is gone.
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Not a Sherman fan. But a lot if those players drafted from TAMU, were Sherman's kids. Summerlin inherited talent.

But your point on results, was a case I made prior to drafting RT.
 
I will say this like I said in another thread .

As an outsider he Mechanics look just like they did as a rookie needs progression there.

Now with how much he has been beat up over last two years could we be seeing a David Carr syndrome
 
jlfin said:
His problem is accuracy. He doesn't have the consistent accuracy required of a franchise QB. Doesn't matter what system you put him in. I was holding out hope for him, but going back to the last 2 games of last season and the 1st 2 games this season, he just doesn't look to be a difference maker. With all his athleticism he doesn't have a feel for the pocket breaking down, so he doesn't do a good job of extending plays and buying time. He looks like Henne with more athletic ability.
Too bad about RGIII. Cousins is a guy that would have been worth pursuing via trade.
I have a feeling RGIII's days are numbered in Washington and Cousins is their guy for the future.
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Is it not fair to say that having consistently bad offensive lines have contributed to his inconsistent accuracy, or running Sherman's playbook placed limitations on his development?

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SkapePhin said:
No, do or die this year. We don't have another year to invest in Tannehill and Philbin. If they can't put it together this year, time to move on.

I wouldn't be opposed with getting Harbaugh and have Tannehill in the Alex Smith role while drafting another QB early to develop though.


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That sounds like a solid plan. Agrees with you.
 
BillsFanInPeace said:
I will say this like I said in another thread .

As an outsider he Mechanics look just like they did as a rookie needs progression there.

Now with how much he has been beat up over last two years could we be seeing a David Carr syndrome
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Bills fans must think RT is the worst QB ever because all his worst performances have come against the Bills.

He has been a bit better against other teams, but he certainly hasn't taken the next step this year the way most of us hoped


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