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Glenn Dorsey v. Chris Long: One Humble Opinion

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Recently I have seen some significant conversation in regards to whether we should take Chris Long or Glenn Dorsey. (As a side note, the only other player I would consider at number one overall is Matt Ryan. Not Darren McFadden or Jake Long. It is my humble opinion that they are both overrated in that their skill set will likely limit them at the next level.)

Consider this one man's opinion on the Long-Dorsey question.

For me, it’s Glenn Dorsey. No doubt about it. Here's why:

Dorsey has many positives within his game, so it is tough to know where to start. First and foremost, he possesses an extremely rare combination of four imperative skills. Dorsey has a very rare combination of strength, acceleration, body control, and play recognition. His strength is unreal. Offensive linemen consistently jolt back and struggle with balance the moment he engages them. Further, this unique strength allows him to consistently play on the other side of the line regardless of double teams. Dorsey also possesses unreal acceleration for a man of his strength and dimensions. He consistently beats opposing linemen into position, thus allowing him to gain leverage and leave them in the dust. Further, Dorsey moves extremely well and shows excellent body control, allowing him to adapt to all types of situations. Lastly among these prime positives are his read and recognition skills. He always sees the ball both against the run and the pass. This allows him to make calculated decisions in regards to whether he should rush the passer, hold his own and wait for the back, or attack the backfield to break up the run.

Dorsey also shows outstanding toughness and very little injury history. This goes hand in hand because Dorsey was the victim of an illegal chop block which would have signaled the bench at the very least for a lesser man. He played through the injury, showing his toughness. Dorsey also has an excellent build. This may come as a surprise to many because of what appears to be a rather large ***. The thing is, that *** and lower body is where the strength and acceleration comes from. Lastly, Dorsey is an explosive and talented tackler.

I believe it is really an effort in futility to find negatives in Dorsey’s game. Really the only thing I can come up with is that he is probably 6’1 ½ to 6’2 instead of 6’4 or 6’5. That said, I don't believe that is that big a deal because he likely would not have the athleticism or strength he has if he were that tall.

The bottom line for me is that Dorsey is an absolute beast. He is probably the most talented and productive defensive tackle to enter the draft in fifteen years. That is not a joke. This kid is legit. He will be an instant difference maker at the next level. He projects to every defensive tackle position except a run stuffing nose tackle, and that is only because that would not be a good use of his talent.

I expect him to be drafted by the Miami Dolphins with the first pick and inserted immediately as their nose tackle. This makes sense because this style of 3-4 is more predicated on speed and attacking the quarterback. (See the Dallas current starter Jay Ratliff) Dorsey is a perfect fit in the middle and should excel at the position for at least a decade.

Lastly, to address the questions I know are coming, Dorsey's injuries are by no means reoccurring, so they are not an issue. And second, Dorsey does not disappear in games. Pop in the tape and that will become pretty clear. He is a force play in and play out. He is a truly special player at a position where special players are very few and far between.
 
if you watch the BCS game he was doubled and tripled constantly and still had 6 tackles a sack and a FF. And the play he got the sack and FF he just completely left 2 guys in the dust they were barley able to turn towards him that how badly he beat them off the ball
 
Matt Ryan is terribly over rated, he had that 1 good drive to beat VT and thats about it. He throws way too many INTS I think he had like 17 on the season, we dont need a guy who turns the ball over that many times.
 
Why is Long's name even in the thread title when he's hardly even mentioned in the post itself. It's obvious you favor Dorsey, but by no means is this a vs. thread. It should have simply been called "This is why I want Dorsey". Again, I have no problem drafting him, I just prefer Long. Either guy will help upgrade this dimal defense from day one.
 
Why is Long's name even in the thread title when he's hardly even mentioned in the post itself. It's obvious you favor Dorsey, but by no means is this a vs. thread. It should have simply been called "This is why I want Dorsey". Again, I have no problem drafting him, I just prefer Long. Either guy will help upgrade this dimal defense from day one.
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except that i want Long as a OLB IF we draft him .... like i debated on another thread :up:
 
Why is Long's name even in the thread title when he's hardly even mentioned in the post itself. It's obvious you favor Dorsey, but by no means is this a vs. thread. It should have simply been called "This is why I want Dorsey". Again, I have no problem drafting him, I just prefer Long. Either guy will help upgrade this dimal defense from day one.


:up: Draft Chris Long!
 
Here is my take on Chris Long:

Long’s most valuable asset is his motor, love for the game, and toughness. He plays every play like it’s his last. He couples this drive with great technique and good (but not elite) acceleration and straight line speed. This combination forced opponents to constantly account for him with double teams. Long also possesses outstanding strength. This is likely due in large part to the fact that he played out of position as a 3-4 defensive end throughout much of his college career. Long also shows excellent read and recognition skills in that he has the innate ability to identify screens or quick passes. Further, he obviously understands that a batted ball can be more damaging to an offense than a hurry in that he is quick to pull up when he knows a pass rush will not be successful in order to knock down the pass. He is a smart player. Lastly, Long has a great frame and build which allows him to really bring the wood when he tackles people. He does not fear contact. He is very physical.
Long’s biggest “weakness” is that he played out of position during his college career. This makes projecting his true potential as a 4-3 defensive end or 3-4 outside linebacker somewhat difficult. Also, not surprisingly, he is a little raw as an attacking pass rusher coming off the edge. Lastly, and probably a little more concerning, is his lack of elite athleticism and body control. He is a little stiff, limiting his ability to adapt to all types of situations. I would argue that Long has good straight line speed, good acceleration, and above average agility. In essence, what this means is that his level of athleticism does not match his level of production. That is not a huge issue, but it is enough to make one wonder if he will be able to continue a similar level of production at the next level.
Long is your classic lunch pale type of player in that he is an overachiever with good athleticism and elite production. This creates a minor dilemma for talent evaluators, especially when one adds that he played out of position through his college football career, thus making legitimate skill evaluation opportunities few and somewhat far between.
Long has almost zero bust potential. He will start and play hard week in and week out for ten plus years. As nice as this statement sounds, there is little doubt that the draft is as much about projecting potential as it is limiting risk. Given that, I think Long’s floor represents a situation where his lack of elite athletic ability limits him to an eight sack a year type of player who you can count on to play hard and limit mistakes. His ceiling on the other hand represents a situation where his strength, work ethic, and good athleticism allow him to become an absolute force at the next level, a player that needs to be accounted for on every single play. In essence, if his floor is a 0 and his ceiling a 100, I would argue that he will end up somewhere around a 60. Long should get drafted high, but how high may be impacted greatly by his interviews and workouts.
Overall, I like Long. He is a great football player who will play hard for you. The question is not whether he will be able to make plays, because he certainly will. The question is rather how consistently will he make plays? Admittedly, that is somewhat up in the air. All of these deliberations aside, the bottom line that that you certainly won’t go bankrupt with Long . . . but you might not hit the jackpot either.
 
:up: Draft Chris Long!
:hi5:...People are going like who they're going like regardless. I've found it to be nothing more than pointless debate, but in the end we're all going to support who we draft (for the most part). What would make the situation even funnier is if, after all these threads, we end up trading down and taking someone no one expected at all. With that said DRAFT CHRIS LONG! God I love the draft.
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Hey if we draft Chris Long do we get his family too?
I don't see Sparano & Tuna drafting a family as Cam did with the Ginn's, but they could always offer Howie a coaching position. :lol:
 
Ghetti13 I do appreciate you taking the time to come up with your view on Long. In the end however all that is really saying is that to draft Long means we're drafting a safe pick and solid player who has the potential to become great but at the same time may not reach that particular level. You can honestly say that about any prospect in this draft. I've also seen reports on Dorsey that says that he "tends to take plays off from time to time" or that he is "a product of the LSU defensive system, the same one that has produced high draft picks in Claude Wroten and Kyle Williams (two average NFL players)". His numbers as a pass rusher are not elite either, and some question his limited wingspan and overall size at his position. There is the good and bad with every player.
 
Ghetti13 I do appreciate you taking the time to come up with your view on Long. In the end however all that is really saying is that to draft Long means we're drafting a safe pick and solid player who has the potential to become great but at the same time may not reach that particular level. You can honestly say that about any prospect in this draft. I've also seen reports on Dorsey that says that he "tends to take plays off from time to time" or that he is "a product of the LSU defensive system, the same one that has produced high draft picks in Claude Wroten and Kyle Williams (two average NFL players)". His numbers as a pass rusher are not elite either, and some question his limited wingspan and overall size at his position. There is the good and bad with every player.


No offense, but taking plays off is NOT a knock Dorsey has in his repertoire. He is another HIGH motor guy. Hell I think the last two years the LSU system has been more of a product of Dorsey than the other way around.
 
No offense, but taking plays off is NOT a knock Dorsey has in his repertoire. He is another HIGH motor guy. Hell I think the last two years the LSU system has been more of a product of Dorsey than the other way around.

I've read that in several reports, not coming from my mouth. Hence the " " .
 
I've read that in several reports, not coming from my mouth.
really?cause the first thing every commentator and analyst says about Dorsey is he has a high motor and just flat out loves the game
 
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