GM Candidates

[Hurricane_Shula]

Didn't Heckert in essence fire Daboll?

Holmgren did according to this Browns beat writer:

http://twitter.com/#!/DanielWolfNFL/status/21972123614453761

Not that I'd lose any sleep if Daboll got fired though if Heckert came here, WCO coordinators are a dime a dozen in the NFL.

 

[Canadi-Phin]

The rumor on Cowher was he wanted to bring in his own personel people from his days in Pitt. Still not sure about that but we have the pieces to run a 3-4 defense that he likes but I'm not sold on it. Gruden I'm totally not sold on. He will replace all the young players with vets, he likes vets. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't, ala Bucs. As for GMs, the guy mentioned with the Ravens would be interesting or maybe someone working in GB.

 

[houtz]

Cowher or gruden will want full control. And assuming Cowher heads to New York, that leaves Gruden IMO.

 

[datruth55]

I still like Ireland. He was not in charge of hiring Sporano remember Parcells was. I believe the talent and the product on the field speaks for itself if properly coached. Three years ago the defense was the issue I believe ranked in the bottom 20 of the NFL last year we were back in the top 10 under Nolan. The wide recievers, running backs, kickers are there. The offensive line and a additional tight end woudl really help. Daniel Thomas showed me that he can run so the running game talent is there where I was worried I would certainly like better depth but DT can carry the running game. Henne is not going to keep pace with Brady or the elite QB's but he is servicable until a young stud is found and we can win with him if the offensive coach and head coach have their act together. Cowher wants only his guys I not sure about that.

So which drafts were Ireland's because people keep giving him a pass on the first draft and the second and the third and now they're saying this last draft was Sparano's. I just want to know what the heck is Ireland getting paid for. If it's free agency then can we thank him for Ernest Wilford, Gabril Wilson, Jake Grove, Justin Smiley Tim Dobbins, trading for Tyler Thigpen, Pat McQuistan, Joe Berger, Bobby Carpenter and a slew of others? He has a lot more failures than successes.

 

[datruth55]

Holmgren did according to this Browns beat writer:

http://twitter.com/#!/DanielWolfNFL/status/21972123614453761

Not that I'd lose any sleep if Daboll got fired though if Heckert came here, WCO coordinators are a dime a dozen in the NFL.

WCO coordinators may be a dime a dozen but they don't all do it well.

Washington
Philadelphia
Green Bay
Minnesota
Cleveland
Houston

Those are your WCO teams. IMO Green Bay and Houston run it the best. Minnesota is the worst and Cleveland still lacks the personnel to run it properly.

 

[dlockz]

Heckert is a 4-3 defense, WCO guy. If we're planning on making the move to that offense and defense then it may be worth a shot but I think his relationship with Holmgren and Shurmer is pretty strong. Don't see him coming this way.

Im pretty sure as gm he could get any type of player its more about the coach. The guy is a good personnel guy

 

[MD]

I made a thread about this a few hours ago and this is the OP:

There are so many threads that discuss hiring this coach or that coach but that is not the most important hire the Phins need to make. They need to find a Team President or Vice President of Football Operations or whatever title you wish to put on him. In laymen's terms, the guy who can hire a GM. Forget the sexy coach names like Gruden or Cowher and concentrate here first if you want long term success. Here's a couple of names:

Martin Mayhew - GM of Detroit. When Mayhew was promoted to replace Millen I scoffed but damn was I wrong. He has hit a grand slam in Detroit and what he and Schwartz have accomplished in 2 years is amazing. Keep in mind the Lions were 0-16 one year after our current clowns assumed control. He is my first choice without question.

Mike Tannenbaum - GM of the Jets. Has done an excellent job in building them mixing vets with young guys and making the right coaching hire. You will have to pay him top dollar to lure him away and promote him but either he or Mayhew would be an excellent hire

Thomas Dmitroff - GM of Atlanta. Hired when Parcells was hired and has done a nice job of getting his franchise QB and surrounding him with talent. Not afraid to make deals to upgrade his team. A significant drop from Tannenbaum or Mayhew but still a GM of interest.

The rest of the thread is at:

http://www.finheaven.com/forums/showthread.php?305877-Team-President-or-GM

 

[MD]

Keep in mind you are promoting them from their current position so there is no tampering as some may believe.

 

[datruth55]

Im pretty sure as gm he could get any type of player its more about the coach. The guy is a good personnel guy

When he was hired by the Browns I told everyone they would be making the move from 3-4 to 4-3 and implementing the WCO, a year later they did. It's easier for personnel men to stick to what they know best and that's what Holmgren and Heckert know best.

Could he draft for the 3-4? Probably, but seeing how he's never done it you have to wonder how effective he would be at it. Trying to figure out if a 4-3 DE in college will translate to a standup pass rusher at OLB in the 3-4 is not that easy. When most college teams run a 4-3 defense it's a lot easier to predict success in the NFL in the same type of defense...not that that's all that easy either, lol.

I'm just saying GMs like to stick to what they know.

 

[dlockz]

I made a thread about this a few hours ago and this is the OP:

There are so many threads that discuss hiring this coach or that coach but that is not the most important hire the Phins need to make. They need to find a Team President or Vice President of Football Operations or whatever title you wish to put on him. In laymen's terms, the guy who can hire a GM. Forget the sexy coach names like Gruden or Cowher and concentrate here first if you want long term success. Here's a couple of names:

Martin Mayhew - GM of Detroit. When Mayhew was promoted to replace Millen I scoffed but damn was I wrong. He has hit a grand slam in Detroit and what he and Schwartz have accomplished in 2 years is amazing. Keep in mind the Lions were 0-16 one year after our current clowns assumed control. He is my first choice without question.

Mike Tannenbaum - GM of the Jets. Has done an excellent job in building them mixing vets with young guys and making the right coaching hire. You will have to pay him top dollar to lure him away and promote him but either he or Mayhew would be an excellent hire

Thomas Dmitroff - GM of Atlanta. Hired when Parcells was hired and has done a nice job of getting his franchise QB and surrounding him with talent. Not afraid to make deals to upgrade his team. A significant drop from Tannenbaum or Mayhew but still a GM of interest.

The rest of the thread is at:

http://www.finheaven.com/forums/showthread.php?305877-Team-President-or-GM

problem is none of these guys would want to leave and team president is not really just about talent evaluation.

 

[dlockz]

When he was hired by the Browns I told everyone they would be making the move from 3-4 to 4-3 and implementing the WCO, a year later they did. It's easier for personnel men to stick to what they know best and that's what Holmgren and Heckert know best.

Could he draft for the 3-4? Probably, but seeing how he's never done it you have to wonder how effective he would be at it. Trying to figure out if a 4-3 DE in college will translate to a standup pass rusher at OLB in the 3-4 is not that easy. When most college teams run a 4-3 defense it's a lot easier to predict success in the NFL in the same type of defense...not that that's all that easy either, lol.

I'm just saying GMs like to stick to what they know.

Well that has alot more to do with Holmgram than Heckert. Heckert as gm does not choose the type of offense or defense is run

 

[datruth55]

Keep in mind you are promoting them from their current position so there is no tampering as some may believe.

How are you promoting them from their current position? Would you not be making them the GM of the Dolphins? Are they not already GMs at their current teams?

Any owner would easily block this by promoting them within their own organization, like the Ravens did with Ozzie Newsome, by adding the title Executive Vice President and GM.

 

[MD]

problem is none of these guys would want to leave and team president is not really just about talent evaluation.

Why wouldn't they leave? Your promoting them with a hefty pay raise and giving them the keys to the franchise. If they didn't want a promotion I wouldn't want them but considering where they are at, they are ambitious men.

Sometimes I think you disagree just for the sake of argument and not belief.

 

[datruth55]

Well that has alot more to do with Holmgram than Heckert. Heckert as gm does not choose the type of offense or defense is run

Heckert's been doing WCO and 4-3 defense since 2001 with the Eagles and Cleveland is his first GM job. He's not leaving there after two seasons.

 

[MD]

How are you promoting them from their current position? Would you not be making them the GM of the Dolphins? Are they not already GMs at their current teams?

Any owner would easily block this by promoting them within their own organization, like the Ravens did with Ozzie Newsome, by adding the title Executive Vice President and GM.

Apparently you didn't read the post.

They need to find a Team President or Vice President of Football Operations or whatever title you wish to put on him. In laymen's terms, the guy who can hire a GM.