Good and Bad ....

[Rich22]

I'll be positive to start:

Rookie DB's are going to be very good! These two are tough and are playing against the best in the NFL and hanging in there. I don't blame Davis yesterday - I blame the idiot PP for game planning to have VD 1 on 1 with the best WR in the NFL.

Henne to me looks like a star in the making. Kid has a gun, looks comfortable back there and delivers a ball the WR's should be catching.

Okay on with the Bad:

How many games can we have where our LB's make ZERO plays? To say our LB's as a group suck is the biggest understatement of the year. We focus on OLB but our ILB's are worse. They NEVER stuff the run. Let Wake play (stick a fork in Porter), and get 3 new LB's or better yet play a 4-3!!!

Do i even have to mention the WR's. Ginn doesn't even belong on the field as a WR. When you see Bess, Camarillo, and Hartline out there - now that is embarrassing for a group of your top 3 WR's!! They consistently let Henne down with drops.

We went to camp with 10 TE's it seemed and this is the best we have? Did Fasano play? Seriously - Joey Haynos is our playmaking TE? Has it come to this really? A 6'7" tree that has a safety punch the ball out of his hands without even touching him. He should have run over him - instead gets the ball punched out.

I can't believe I am reading all this positive about White - really? You take Henne out to put this guy in to run an option. C'mon folks - do you really think the option is a legit play in the nfl? It worked once - big deal. This guy is 150lbs and is NOT an NFL QB!!! What they are doing is screwing Henne though but continuing to take him out of the game and not letting him get into the flow. He has to learn - this kid is the franchise. You don't groom a Brady or Brees by taking them out all the time for the wildcat. Oh wait it's 3rd and 8 so let's bring Henne back in - now that is good coaching.

One last vent - Outside of 3 LB's, 2 WR's, a TE, and NT - we need a game changing safety. Wilson is terrible. Should be an interesting offseason. Porter and Wilson have to be gone.

 

[nick1]

Clemons did alright, gave help to I believe it was vontae davis perfectly on one long pass to moss. play Clemons over Wilson, thats one solution. Clemons is everywhere when he plays

 

[nick1]

and dont go blaming our LBs, not all of them suck. Torbor did pretty good, was consistently around the ball, got a pass deflection at the line. played as well as anybody, Adoyle is also one guy you never have to worry about. He does his assignment and does it well. what we need are better outside LBs. almost no pressure has come from Taylor and Porter. I do agree let Wake play. also, our d-line does their job. in our defense their main job is to stop the run and occupy blockers, the blitzing LBs have to get to the QB

 

[Geofferic]

Here's someone that talks sense.

We need 1 shutdown corner, 1 safety that can make plays, at least 1 receiver (why don't we have any receivers on our football team? Isn't that a standard position for football?), I think we can get away with one great LB and just two fast guys if we get a great NT.

Oh and don't forget a DC. We could really use a guy that knows more than two plays.

 

[Rich22]

Totally agree with Clemons - forgot to mention him. Kid looks good and with Bell we could have a tough secondary there. Still early with him but he may be the answer at safety. I could see WAllen be the nickel next year and they might not be bad in the secondary - just need depth at that point.

 

[Rich22]

and dont go blaming our LBs, not all of them suck. Torbor did pretty good, was consistently around the ball, got a pass deflection at the line. played as well as anybody, Adoyle is also one guy you never have to worry about. He does his assignment and does it well. what we need are better outside LBs. almost no pressure has come from Taylor and Porter. I do agree let Wake play. also, our d-line does their job. in our defense their main job is to stop the run and occupy blockers, the blitzing LBs have to get to the QB

Don't agree at all here. Do you watch the dominant D's arround the league? Our ILB's make almost no plays every game. What do they do? Every running play where are they. NE was ripping off runs in the 1st half - where were our LB's? Torber had a nice deflection but are you kidding me - that was his highlight? I don't want my LB's invisible during a game. Doing their assignment - no way! Fill the gaps and stop the run! How about covering a TE just one game! Our I:B's would not even be backups for other teams. You should have LB's hitting 10 tackles a game and some behind the line of scrimmage.

Our starting 4 LB's had 17 tackles all game combined!! That is adding up all of the tackles all 4 had during 4 qtrs of football - are you kidding me? And I don't remember how the heck Ayodele had 7 tackles - must have gone to the bathroom or something becuase I don't rememebr those. Also keep in mind we play a 3-4 which allows the LB's to make plays!

 

[bpackers13]

I'll be positive to start:

Rookie DB's are going to be very good! These two are tough and are playing against the best in the NFL and hanging in there. I don't blame Davis yesterday - I blame the idiot PP for game planning to have VD 1 on 1 with the best WR in the NFL.

Henne to me looks like a star in the making. Kid has a gun, looks comfortable back there and delivers a ball the WR's should be catching.

Okay on with the Bad:

How many games can we have where our LB's make ZERO plays? To say our LB's as a group suck is the biggest understatement of the year. We focus on OLB but our ILB's are worse. They NEVER stuff the run. Let Wake play (stick a fork in Porter), and get 3 new LB's or better yet play a 4-3!!!

Do i even have to mention the WR's. Ginn doesn't even belong on the field as a WR. When you see Bess, Camarillo, and Hartline out there - now that is embarrassing for a group of your top 3 WR's!! They consistently let Henne down with drops.

We went to camp with 10 TE's it seemed and this is the best we have? Did Fasano play? Seriously - Joey Haynos is our playmaking TE? Has it come to this really? A 6'7" tree that has a safety punch the ball out of his hands without even touching him. He should have run over him - instead gets the ball punched out.

I can't believe I am reading all this positive about White - really? You take Henne out to put this guy in to run an option. C'mon folks - do you really think the option is a legit play in the nfl? It worked once - big deal. This guy is 150lbs and is NOT an NFL QB!!! What they are doing is screwing Henne though but continuing to take him out of the game and not letting him get into the flow. He has to learn - this kid is the franchise. You don't groom a Brady or Brees by taking them out all the time for the wildcat. Oh wait it's 3rd and 8 so let's bring Henne back in - now that is good coaching.

One last vent - Outside of 3 LB's, 2 WR's, a TE, and NT - we need a game changing safety. Wilson is terrible. Should be an interesting offseason. Porter and Wilson have to be gone.

Nothing personal man, but I can point out several things in this post that are untrue. might want to go back to the drawing board, or would you like me to point everything out? up to you.

 

[Rich22]

Nothing personal man, but I can point out several things in this post that are untrue. might want to go back to the drawing board, or would you like me to point everything out? up to you.

Go ahead - it's your opinion - I'd be interested in another perspective. No way are there several things untrue here but let's hear it.

 

[bpackers13]

I'll be positive to start:

Rookie DB's are going to be very good! These two are tough and are playing against the best in the NFL and hanging in there. I don't blame Davis yesterday - I blame the idiot PP for game planning to have VD 1 on 1 with the best WR in the NFL.

Henne to me looks like a star in the making. Kid has a gun, looks comfortable back there and delivers a ball the WR's should be catching.

Okay on with the Bad:

How many games can we have where our LB's make ZERO plays? To say our LB's as a group suck is the biggest understatement of the year. We focus on OLB but our ILB's are worse. They NEVER stuff the run. Let Wake play (stick a fork in Porter), and get 3 new LB's or better yet play a 4-3!!!

Do i even have to mention the WR's. Ginn doesn't even belong on the field as a WR. When you see Bess, Camarillo, and Hartline out there - now that is embarrassing for a group of your top 3 WR's!! They consistently let Henne down with drops.

We went to camp with 10 TE's it seemed and this is the best we have? Did Fasano play? Seriously - Joey Haynos is our playmaking TE? Has it come to this really? A 6'7" tree that has a safety punch the ball out of his hands without even touching him. He should have run over him - instead gets the ball punched out.

I can't believe I am reading all this positive about White - really? You take Henne out to put this guy in to run an option. C'mon folks - do you really think the option is a legit play in the nfl? It worked once - big deal. This guy is 150lbs and is NOT an NFL QB!!! What they are doing is screwing Henne though but continuing to take him out of the game and not letting him get into the flow. He has to learn - this kid is the franchise. You don't groom a Brady or Brees by taking them out all the time for the wildcat. Oh wait it's 3rd and 8 so let's bring Henne back in - now that is good coaching.

One last vent - Outside of 3 LB's, 2 WR's, a TE, and NT - we need a game changing safety. Wilson is terrible. Should be an interesting offseason. Porter and Wilson have to be gone.

1. Moss is not the bes WR in the NFL.
2. Joey Haynos is 6'8". I don't see why you are bashing this guy. Just because he isn't a household name, he sucks? Come on man. ANd by the way he did get hit on that play.
3. Pat White is 190lbs. I do get what your saying though about putting him in the middle of drives though. I agree. But it sounds to me like your hating on him because he is being put in at the wrong times. Hate on the coaching staff for that.

 

[Rich22]

1. Moss is not the bes WR in the NFL.
2. Joey Haynos is 6'8". I don't see why you are bashing this guy. Just because he isn't a household name, he sucks? Come on man. ANd by the way he did get hit on that play.
3. Pat White is 190lbs. I do get what your saying though about putting him in the middle of drives though. I agree. But it sounds to me like your hating on him because he is being put in at the wrong times. Hate on the coaching staff for that.

Your opinion is Moss isn't the best WR but if you really believe that you aren't watching football. He can score on any given play and there is not 1 guy that can shut him down 1 on 1. He is 6'4" and possibly the fastest guy on the field still at his age. He can outleap probably anyone out there easily. He has arguably the best hands in the game and can make and has made more acrobatic catches than anyone at WR. Are tehre some good WR's in the game - sure are - but ones that can change the game like he can - very few! NE stole him for a 4th and that changed this division for years. Brady is laughing all the way to the bank with Moss just like Culpepper did in Minnesota.

I did not say Haynos sucked - my point was is he is our main TE threat then we are in trouble. Is he a good #2 TE in a double TE set - maybe. But when you play teams with Gonzalez, and Watson, and Shockey that are killing us down the middle with their TE's and all we have to counter is Haynos - c'mon! Does that mean he sucks - no - it means we need a better pas catching TE threat!

I am not bashing White as a player. I am bashing BP and co for picking him when we needed help at WR and LB more importantly. I am bashing the coahcing staff for using him at times when I believe we need to let Henne get into the flow of the game and learn. Want to run the wild cat - then use RB - he is great at it. WHite is too small to play QB in the NFL IMO.

 

[3rdandinches]

I throw this out there for a solution......

FA - K.Dansby ILB, K.Walter WR, C.Henry WR

Trade - (I know I'm dreaming!!!!)

C.Crowder, Y.Bell (he'd be easier to trade then Wilson), P.Merling (you gotta give up something to get something), Mosses and Ginn to KC for their 1st to get E.Berry FS

I know I'll get Maddened over this trade but it would help KC transition to the 3/4 easier and 4 of the players are young.

Draft -

1, E.Berry FS
1, R.McClain ILB
2, S.Kindle OLB
3, BRobinson NT

Retain - Fasano, M.Roth, R.Brown, J.Ferguson, L.Polite

DL - Starks, Ferguson, Langford
LB - Wake, Dansby, McClain, Roth
CB - Davis, Smith
S - Wilson, Berry

WR - Walter, Henry, Hartline, Cam, Turner

Torch away but this is what I`d try, unless somehow V.Wilfork was available then I`d sellout for him.

 

[bpackers13]

Your opinion is Moss isn't the best WR but if you really believe that you aren't watching football. He can score on any given play and there is not 1 guy that can shut him down 1 on 1. He is 6'4" and possibly the fastest guy on the field still at his age. He can outleap probably anyone out there easily. He has arguably the best hands in the game and can make and has made more acrobatic catches than anyone at WR. Are tehre some good WR's in the game - sure are - but ones that can change the game like he can - very few! NE stole him for a 4th and that changed this division for years. Brady is laughing all the way to the bank with Moss just like Culpepper did in Minnesota.

I did not say Haynos sucked - my point was is he is our main TE threat then we are in trouble. Is he a good #2 TE in a double TE set - maybe. But when you play teams with Gonzalez, and Watson, and Shockey that are killing us down the middle with their TE's and all we have to counter is Haynos - c'mon! Does that mean he sucks - no - it means we need a better pas catching TE threat!

I am not bashing White as a player. I am bashing BP and co for picking him when we needed help at WR and LB more importantly. I am bashing the coahcing staff for using him at times when I believe we need to let Henne get into the flow of the game and learn. Want to run the wild cat - then use RB - he is great at it. WHite is too small to play QB in the NFL IMO.

Wide Receivers better than Moss
1. Larry Fitzgerald
2. Andre Johnson
3. Chad Johnson
4. and in my opnion Anquan Boldin.

 

[bpackers13]

I throw this out there for a solution......

FA - K.Dansby ILB, K.Walter WR, C.Henry WR

Trade - (I know I'm dreaming!!!!)

C.Crowder, Y.Bell (he'd be easier to trade then Wilson), P.Merling (you gotta give up something to get something), Mosses and Ginn to KC for their 1st to get E.Berry FS

I know I'll get Maddened over this trade but it would help KC transition to the 3/4 easier and 4 of the players are young.

Draft -

1, E.Berry FS
1, R.McClain ILB
2, S.Kindle OLB
3, BRobinson NT

Retain - Fasano, M.Roth, R.Brown, J.Ferguson, L.Polite

DL - Starks, Ferguson, Langford
LB - Wake, Dansby, McClain, Roth
CB - Davis, Smith
S - Wilson, Berry

WR - Walter, Henry, Hartline, Cam, Turner

Torch away but this is what I`d try, unless somehow V.Wilfork was available then I`d sellout for him.

Hey Eric Barry is a great S, but since we just drafted one who seems like he is going to be solid, what do you think about drafting Earl Thomas the safety out of Texas? He is rock solid, and I think he will be able to be picked up late 2nd early 3rd.

 

[spiketex]

Well we see somethings totally different.
(1) I thought that Pat White made real progress and he has potential to be a contributor. He is not 150lbs - more like 197lbs and is much tougher than he appears. Henning and David Lee are bringing him along. Please be patient - he can be a significant contributor. He took the record as the greatest ever rushing yardage QB in NCAA history - don't be fooled by his appearance. Pat White has ice running through his veins.
(2) I don't understand the hate towards Joey Haynos - he has made good progress from last year and he is contributing. The biggest disappointment on the TE's has been Fasano's apparent regression. I don't understand it. He looked great in some games last year.

 

[bpackers13]

Well we see somethings totally different.
(1) I thought that Pat White made real progress and he has potential to be a contributor. He is not 150lbs - more like 197lbs and is much tougher than he appears. Henning and David Lee are bringing him along. Please be patient - he can be a significant contributor. He took the record as the greatest ever rushing yardage QB in NCAA history - don't be fooled by his appearance. Pat White has ice running through his veins.
(2) I don't understand the hate towards Joey Haynos - he has made good progress from last year and he is contributing. The biggest disappointment on the TE's has been Fasano's apparent regression. I don't understand it. He looked great in some games last year.

Thank you kindly sir. These are the same words I have used in previous posts. Glad im not the only one who see this.