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Coming into week 15 there has been on thing that has stayed as a substantially decisive hallmark in Coach Saban's beliefs -- Keeping Gus as our QB. Having this guy as our one QB and sticking with him no matter what has really been one of the contributing factors to our success of late. Granted, Sage HAS played, but largely due to Gus being injured on occassion.

Last season we were throwing guys in and out like they were going out of fashion. As much as it has been hard at times, I think we should just give Coach some credit for sticking with this and ultimately it has paid off!
 
Coming into week 15 there has been on thing that has stayed as a substantially decisive hallmark in Coach Saban's beliefs -- Keeping Gus as our QB.

Funny, that is the one thing I think shows Saban's inexperience with the pro game. After a few years in the league, he will be experienced enough to tell Lineahn to get real when he suggests bringing in a quarterback as useless as Gus.

And he didn't do what you described fully anyway. He started off camp not guaranteeing anyone the job, so that time was wasted splitting time between Gus and Feeley... a mistake Wanny made every year and I thought we were past.

And it was only Sage's abysmall performance in Cleveland that kept Saban from switching to him for the rest of the year. I greatly regret Sage's horrible performance... because starting Sage would have been the right thing to do.

Having this guy as our one QB and sticking with him no matter what has really been one of the contributing factors to our success of late.

How on earth do you figure? He has been terrible for half the games this season. Really bad. He was great in one game... SAn Diego. Ok-to-good in fours others, bad in a few more and god-freaking-awful in the rest.

His qb rating is 70.3.

70.3. Good for 27th in the league.

How on earth can you praise someone fro bringing in and starting one of the very worst qbs in football???

Last season we were throwing guys in and out like they were going out of fashion.

For five years Wanny did as you describe, save injury he trotted out a mediocore quarterback for FIVE YEARS.

I did not praise Wanny for it, and I certainly won't praise Nick for sending out game after game a QB who is DEMONSTRABLY worse than Fielder was in any of his full seasons here.


As much as it has been hard at times, I think we should just give Coach some credit for sticking with this and ultimately it has paid off!

You are confusing cause and effect. If you think Gus, of all things, one of the worst qbs in the league, is the reason we are doing better, then you should reevaluate.

FULLY HALF of the games you speak of, the "doing better as late" games, were won by Sage, not Gus - one after Gus dug us a 23-3 hole.
 
nopony said:
Funny, that is the one thing I think shows Saban's inexperience with the pro game. After a few years in the league, he will be experienced enough to tell Lineahn to get real when he suggests bringing in a quarterback as useless as Gus.

And he didn't do what you described fully anyway. He started off camp not guaranteeing anyone the job, so that time was wasted splitting time between Gus and Feeley... a mistake Wanny made every year and I thought we were past.

And it was only Sage's abysmall performance in Cleveland that kept Saban from switching to him for the rest of the year. I greatly regret Sage's horrible performance... because starting Sage would have been the right thing to do.



How on earth do you figure? He has been terrible for half the games this season. Really bad. He was great in one game... SAn Diego. Ok-to-good in fours others, bad in a few more and god-freaking-awful in the rest.

His qb rating is 70.3.

70.3. Good for 27th in the league.

How on earth can you praise someone fro bringing in and starting one of the very worst qbs in football???



For five years Wanny did as you describe, save injury he trotted out a mediocore quarterback for FIVE YEARS.

I did not praise Wanny for it, and I certainly won't praise Nick for sending out game after game a QB who is DEMONSTRABLY worse than Fielder was in any of his full seasons here.




You are confusing cause and effect. If you think Gus, of all things, one of the worst qbs in the league, is the reason we are doing better, then you should reevaluate.

FULLY HALF of the games you speak of, the "doing better as late" games, were won by Sage, not Gus - one after Gus dug us a 23-3 hole.


Firstly, it's evident that you are relatively indelicate when it comes to the logistical and appreciable basis behind team development and structure. Establishing a fundamental and effective system in the first year as a Head Coach is a difficult task and to be so arrogant as to not realize this has clearly provided you with that deficient judgement it takes to criticize such an issue.

Bringing in Gus was done for a number of reasons -
  • Our system was raw and impartial. Coach Saban felt it was necessary to implement new schemes (and rightfully so), including Linehan as our Offensive Coordinator. Due to the invariability and large intake of new coaches and players, a period of haste and unfamiliarity was always going to lead to 'growing pains' of some kind. Assuming that any other Quarterback was not going to experience these growing pains is supercilious and unreasonable. Gus was the right fit for RIGHT NOW in regard to primarily having a familiarty with Linehan's system.
  • Another property of Nick Saban's new role and responsiblity involves the injection of youth and depth into the team. Granted, Gus isn't young but by signing Gus, we were able to focus on other areas of need, namely Running Back and Offensive Line. Signing Gus was also a cap friendly option. This helps with the future development, structure and depth of our team.
It is obvious from your irreverant post with a judgementally insolent tone that you're a Sage fan with an overbearing disability to accept the larger picture -- the importance of developing this team, finding a solid base for consistency and a resonating understanding amongst players and coaches as to which direction we are heading.

My post related to the certain aspect of team chemistry that has led to our success, not the individual accomplishments of Gus and the comparative nature of this season's chemistry to last season's.

To conclude that with an insinuation of cause and effect is demeaning and illogical. One player does not decide a game, but the aforementioned team chemistry can change the entire organization who can have the greater ability to win games.

I'm still uncertain as to why you demean Nick Saban's judgement relating to this issue. We're a 7-7 .500 organization at the moment. I ask you to not make crude judgement and moreso deliberate the relevance of unspoken topics before using a weak frame of reference to beseech mine. I never gave detriment to Sage for any of his accomplishments this season; Again, I was merely making reference to the aspect of team chemistry amongst the players and coaches due in the relative large part of the consistency with our Quarterback -- The players know what to expect and have more of a rythym created due to this.

We are currently in the important faze of finding our identity as a football team. In order to do this, we must ignite an overt reaction in the period between stimulus and response. To take greater action in finding a quarterback in Coach Saban's first season is an unfounded and unneeded action -- As Coach has said, what happens this season doesn't matter. Finding our identity; building a foundation for the future that will result in long-term success, and the intromittent synthesis of that which builds the nature of the team are the acts that are emergent and relevant at this time.

I ask only for you to not take irrational, sophistic tone when providing a basis of opinion unrelated to the actual comment. If you choose otherwise, I am more than willing to debate any obtuse remark you brand my opinion with.

Thank you.
 
I will give you this on your post, it was a thing of beauty(damn my professor would be pissed by the use of thing in a sentence but oh well this is a message board) I mean that with no sarcasm. Was a well worded as any post I ever read although many will have to break out a dictionary to understand it( I did quiz me lol) I disagree with your asserations about Qb though and think we must all realize that Gus cannot even be called average as starter. Starting Gus this year without a QB to tutor I feel is a mistake. I will tell you why now.


Ok we have had Gus for 1 year and had no one to teach the offense to. The average draft pick at QB takes more than a year to be ready to start. So we have wasted one year of Gus's precious few left. So where we pick there will be no stud Qb's unless there is a freefall. Vince Young and Matt Leinhart are the only surefire studs are highly draftable in many minds that will be in this draft. Leinhart does not really fit our so called system according to many on this board I disagree and he is moot since we will not draft him without trading alot. So any other Qb;s are probably more than a year away from starting. Do you advocate a plan that could have Frerotte starting for three years. Would that be truly beneficial? I don't think the plan is now for Frerotte to groom the QB or we would have drafted or traded for one IMO.
 
Firstly, it's evident that you are relatively indelicate when it comes to the logistical and appreciable basis behind team development and structure. Establishing a fundamental and effective system in the first year as a Head Coach is a difficult task and to be so arrogant as to not realize this has clearly provided you with that deficient judgement it takes to criticize such an issue.

How delightful.

Ironic, considering how much effort you put into sounding educated, that you start off with an entire paragraph of one of the primary logical fallacies.

Since you clearly are a man of letters I'm sure you can figure out which one.
Bringing in Gus was done for a number of reasons -
  • Our system was raw and impartial. Coach Saban felt it was necessary to implement new schemes (and rightfully so), including Linehan as our Offensive Coordinator. Due to the invariability and large intake of new coaches and players, a period of haste and unfamiliarity was always going to lead to 'growing pains' of some kind. Assuming that any other Quarterback was not going to experience these growing pains is supercilious and unreasonable. Gus was the right fit for RIGHT NOW in regard to primarily having a familiarty with Linehan's system.

That "famialiarity" has goten him a whopping 70.3 quarterback rating and ranking him among the very worst in football.

And any quarterback that couldn't, given an entire offseason to prepare, "be familiar" with Linehan's system shouldn't even be in uniform.

He is here because Linehan, unwisely, vouched for him.

He has failed.

But again, if his advantages could only bring him up to "one of the worst in the NFL", how big of an advantage are they, really?
  • Another property of Nick Saban's new role and responsiblity involves the injection of youth and depth into the team. Granted, Gus isn't young but by signing Gus, we were able to focus on other areas of need, namely Running Back and Offensive Line. Signing Gus was also a cap friendly option. This helps with the future development, structure and depth of our team.
There were other options with the same advantages and with the further advantage of not being Gus Ferotte.

None of that either applies to Gus alone OR, which was the point, justifies your original post.

It is obvious from your irreverant post with a judgementally insolent tone that you're a Sage fan with an overbearing disability to accept the larger picture -- the importance of developing this team, finding a solid base for consistency and a resonating understanding amongst players and coaches as to which direction we are heading.

I am not a Sage fan, actually. I am a Dolphin fan. I don't think Sage is the answer. But I know for certain that Gus isn't. And, thanks for the condescension, but I understand all of that perfectly. What you do not understand is this:

None of that requires that you use one of the worst quarterbacks in football. None of it. You make a flawed assumption that Gus helps with anyone's development or helps the team as a whole.

Gus is wildly overvalued right now, for no good reason.

And Gus has been anything but consistent.

And the last four games disprove your point entirely. It has been the most INCONSISTENT period of the season and it has also been when we have performed the best.

My post related to the certain aspect of team chemistry that has led to our success, not the individual accomplishments of Gus and the comparative nature of this season's chemistry to last season's.

Ah, the old I'm losing this argument so I'll pull out an unprovable assumption trick.

You have absolutely no basis for claiming that GUS had anything to do with it. All we know for sure is that he, personally, has been terrible. To make some unjustifiable claim that "yeah, he's terrible, but he makes everybody else better" is unfounded.

To conclude that with an insinuation of cause and effect is demeaning and illogical. One player does not decide a game, but the aforementioned team chemistry can change the entire organization who can have the greater ability to win games.

That's why we start a winning streak almost as soon as he isn't playing regularly, right? Becuase he's important to the team chemistry.

It's just coincedence that he goes 3-7 and then when we start to see less of him the team goes 4-0.

Yeah, Go GUS!

I'm still uncertain as to why you demean Nick Saban's judgement relating to this issue. We're a 7-7 .500 organization at the moment. I ask you to not make crude judgement and moreso deliberate the relevance of unspoken topics before using a weak frame of reference to beseech mine. I never gave detriment to Sage for any of his accomplishments this season; Again, I was merely making reference to the aspect of team chemistry amongst the players and coaches due in the relative large part of the consistency with our Quarterback -- The players know what to expect and have more of a rythym created due to this.

Again... as soon as we were off of the "Gus starts every game" we did much better... you see how that disproves your entire thesis?

And let me get this straight... as soon as I disagree with Saban's judgement I am demeaning him? Get real. No one is infallible. Not Shula, not Lombardi, not Saban.

Your "how dare you!" tone is laughable.

I think Saban is one of the best things to ever happen to this team. Do I think that means he will never make a mistake? Of course not. He will make many. No one doesn't.

We are currently in the important faze of finding our identity as a football team. In order to do this, we must ignite an overt reaction in the period between stimulus and response. To take greater action in finding a quarterback in Coach Saban's first season is an unfounded and unneeded action -- As Coach has said, what happens this season doesn't matter. Finding our identity; building a foundation for the future that will result in long-term success, and the intromittent synthesis of that which builds the nature of the team are the acts that are emergent and relevant at this time.

Many words that say nothing. there is no reason that must be done with a bad quarterback. No reason at all.

And I find the premise that everybody else needs to figure stuff out, but we'll deal with the quarterback later totally ridiculous.

I ask only for you to not take irrational, sophistic tone when providing a basis of opinion unrelated to the actual comment. If you choose otherwise, I am more than willing to debate any obtuse remark you brand my opinion with.

"Unrelated to the actual comment"? Good grief. I replied EXACTLY to your original comment.

Thank you.

You're very welcome.

And I just re-read my original post. There was nothing at all rude or offensive in it, not sure why your dander is so up.

By the way, if you're original post had been true, and we had used Gus iall game, every game this year, our record would be 5-9.

So I guess you could argue that starting Gus is the best thing for this team because the more he plays the better our draft position gets. That would be reasonable.
 
nopony said:
How delightful.

Ironic, considering how much effort you put into sounding educated, that you start off with an entire paragraph of one of the primary logical fallacies.

Since you clearly are a man of letters I'm sure you can figure out which one.


That "famialiarity" has goten him a whopping 70.3 quarterback rating and ranking him among the very worst in football.

And any quarterback that couldn't, given an entire offseason to prepare, "be familiar" with Linehan's system shouldn't even be in uniform.

He is here because Linehan, unwisely, vouched for him.

He has failed.

But again, if his advantages could only bring him up to "one of the worst in the NFL", how big of an advantage are they, really?


There were other options with the same advantages and with the further advantage of not being Gus Ferotte.

None of that either applies to Gus alone OR, which was the point, justifies your original post.



I am not a Sage fan, actually. I am a Dolphin fan. I don't think Sage is the answer. But I know for certain that Gus isn't. And, thanks for the condescension, but I understand all of that perfectly. What you do not understand is this:

None of that requires that you use one of the worst quarterbacks in football. None of it. You make a flawed assumption that Gus helps with anyone's development or helps the team as a whole.

Gus is wildly overvalued right now, for no good reason.

And Gus has been anything but consistent.

And the last four games disprove your point entirely. It has been the most INCONSISTENT period of the season and it has also been when we have performed the best.



Ah, the old I'm losing this argument so I'll pull out an unprovable assumption trick.

You have absolutely no basis for claiming that GUS had anything to do with it. All we know for sure is that he, personally, has been terrible. To make some unjustifiable claim that "yeah, he's terrible, but he makes everybody else better" is unfounded.



That's why we start a winning streak almost as soon as he isn't playing regularly, right? Becuase he's important to the team chemistry.

It's just coincedence that he goes 3-7 and then when we start to see less of him the team goes 4-0.

Yeah, Go GUS!



Again... as soon as we were off of the "Gus starts every game" we did much better... you see how that disproves your entire thesis?

And let me get this straight... as soon as I disagree with Saban's judgement I am demeaning him? Get real. No one is infallible. Not Shula, not Lombardi, not Saban.

Your "how dare you!" tone is laughable.

I think Saban is one of the best things to ever happen to this team. Do I think that means he will never make a mistake? Of course not. He will make many. No one doesn't.



Many words that say nothing. there is no reason that must be done with a bad quarterback. No reason at all.

And I find the premise that everybody else needs to figure stuff out, but we'll deal with the quarterback later totally ridiculous.



"Unrelated to the actual comment"? Good grief. I replied EXACTLY to your original comment.



You're very welcome.

And I just re-read my original post. There was nothing at all rude or offensive in it, not sure why your dander is so up.

By the way, if you're original post had been true, and we had used Gus iall game, every game this year, our record would be 5-9.

So I guess you could argue that starting Gus is the best thing for this team because the more he plays the better our draft position gets. That would be reasonable.


I agree with your breakdown of his arguement. Still seems like he put some effort as far as writing wise so I gave him props on his form. Now substance can often be disguised with a nice place setting or a pretty garnish. I truly think there is no real arguement to stick with Frerotte. If you want to say chemistry well the season is almost over and who knows what will change next year. Gus is definately replaceable and a rookie may take too long to replace him. Why does everyone think a rookie drafted around 20 will be ready in a year? This is not the norm.
 
nopony said:
How delightful.

Ironic, considering how much effort you put into sounding educated, that you start off with an entire paragraph of one of the primary logical fallacies.

Since you clearly are a man of letters I'm sure you can figure out which one.


That "famialiarity" has goten him a whopping 70.3 quarterback rating and ranking him among the very worst in football.

And any quarterback that couldn't, given an entire offseason to prepare, "be familiar" with Linehan's system shouldn't even be in uniform.

He is here because Linehan, unwisely, vouched for him.

He has failed.

But again, if his advantages could only bring him up to "one of the worst in the NFL", how big of an advantage are they, really?


There were other options with the same advantages and with the further advantage of not being Gus Ferotte.

None of that either applies to Gus alone OR, which was the point, justifies your original post.



I am not a Sage fan, actually. I am a Dolphin fan. I don't think Sage is the answer. But I know for certain that Gus isn't. And, thanks for the condescension, but I understand all of that perfectly. What you do not understand is this:

None of that requires that you use one of the worst quarterbacks in football. None of it. You make a flawed assumption that Gus helps with anyone's development or helps the team as a whole.

Gus is wildly overvalued right now, for no good reason.

And Gus has been anything but consistent.

And the last four games disprove your point entirely. It has been the most INCONSISTENT period of the season and it has also been when we have performed the best.



Ah, the old I'm losing this argument so I'll pull out an unprovable assumption trick.

You have absolutely no basis for claiming that GUS had anything to do with it. All we know for sure is that he, personally, has been terrible. To make some unjustifiable claim that "yeah, he's terrible, but he makes everybody else better" is unfounded.



That's why we start a winning streak almost as soon as he isn't playing regularly, right? Becuase he's important to the team chemistry.

It's just coincedence that he goes 3-7 and then when we start to see less of him the team goes 4-0.

Yeah, Go GUS!



Again... as soon as we were off of the "Gus starts every game" we did much better... you see how that disproves your entire thesis?

And let me get this straight... as soon as I disagree with Saban's judgement I am demeaning him? Get real. No one is infallible. Not Shula, not Lombardi, not Saban.

Your "how dare you!" tone is laughable.

I think Saban is one of the best things to ever happen to this team. Do I think that means he will never make a mistake? Of course not. He will make many. No one doesn't.



Many words that say nothing. there is no reason that must be done with a bad quarterback. No reason at all.

And I find the premise that everybody else needs to figure stuff out, but we'll deal with the quarterback later totally ridiculous.



"Unrelated to the actual comment"? Good grief. I replied EXACTLY to your original comment.



You're very welcome.

And I just re-read my original post. There was nothing at all rude or offensive in it, not sure why your dander is so up.

By the way, if you're original post had been true, and we had used Gus iall game, every game this year, our record would be 5-9.

So I guess you could argue that starting Gus is the best thing for this team because the more he plays the better our draft position gets. That would be reasonable.


I'm not even going to respond with rebuttal. This was not a debate. This was my opinion, and for some reason you felt that you were required to attack my character and further attempt to diminish any validity in my opinion -- followed by completely disagreeing with every point I made, adding crude and immature attacks on my style.

Nice. Maybe you should focus less on trying to make others look and/or feel bad, making disrespectful remarks, shutting down peoples opinions and focus a little more on the Miami Dolphins.

Also, please don't ever question my style of emphasis, and never ever question my education.
 
Just be glad that Boomer or his sources did not disagree with you. Ouch

:sidelol: :sidelol: :sidelol:
 
HysterikiLL said:
Firstly, it's evident that you are relatively indelicate when it comes to the logistical and appreciable basis behind team development and structure. Establishing a fundamental and effective system in the first year as a Head Coach is a difficult task and to be so arrogant as to not realize this has clearly provided you with that deficient judgement it takes to criticize such an issue.

Bringing in Gus was done for a number of reasons -
  • Our system was raw and impartial. Coach Saban felt it was necessary to implement new schemes (and rightfully so), including Linehan as our Offensive Coordinator. Due to the invariability and large intake of new coaches and players, a period of haste and unfamiliarity was always going to lead to 'growing pains' of some kind. Assuming that any other Quarterback was not going to experience these growing pains is supercilious and unreasonable. Gus was the right fit for RIGHT NOW in regard to primarily having a familiarty with Linehan's system.
  • Another property of Nick Saban's new role and responsiblity involves the injection of youth and depth into the team. Granted, Gus isn't young but by signing Gus, we were able to focus on other areas of need, namely Running Back and Offensive Line. Signing Gus was also a cap friendly option. This helps with the future development, structure and depth of our team.
It is obvious from your irreverant post with a judgementally insolent tone that you're a Sage fan with an overbearing disability to accept the larger picture -- the importance of developing this team, finding a solid base for consistency and a resonating understanding amongst players and coaches as to which direction we are heading.

My post related to the certain aspect of team chemistry that has led to our success, not the individual accomplishments of Gus and the comparative nature of this season's chemistry to last season's.

To conclude that with an insinuation of cause and effect is demeaning and illogical. One player does not decide a game, but the aforementioned team chemistry can change the entire organization who can have the greater ability to win games.

I'm still uncertain as to why you demean Nick Saban's judgement relating to this issue. We're a 7-7 .500 organization at the moment. I ask you to not make crude judgement and moreso deliberate the relevance of unspoken topics before using a weak frame of reference to beseech mine. I never gave detriment to Sage for any of his accomplishments this season; Again, I was merely making reference to the aspect of team chemistry amongst the players and coaches due in the relative large part of the consistency with our Quarterback -- The players know what to expect and have more of a rythym created due to this.

We are currently in the important faze of finding our identity as a football team. In order to do this, we must ignite an overt reaction in the period between stimulus and response. To take greater action in finding a quarterback in Coach Saban's first season is an unfounded and unneeded action -- As Coach has said, what happens this season doesn't matter. Finding our identity; building a foundation for the future that will result in long-term success, and the intromittent synthesis of that which builds the nature of the team are the acts that are emergent and relevant at this time.

I ask only for you to not take irrational, sophistic tone when providing a basis of opinion unrelated to the actual comment. If you choose otherwise, I am more than willing to debate any obtuse remark you brand my opinion with.

Thank you.

That's the best case argument I have come to make for Saban choosing Gus. Very well said by the way. Intelligent and to the point and I appreciate the people here who don't instantly insult someone who doesn't agree with them. Still I kinda agree with NOPONY. I personally don't think the system is so complicated that only Gus could have played in it. I still believe that Sage or AJ wouldve done better over the course of the season if they were given the opportunity. Nontheless that's all in the past and I do think that Saban deserves great credit for turning around the team and making them play hard every week. I think we're well positioned for 2006 if we can bring in a few more players and the playoffs can finally be revisited
 
adamprez2003 said:
That's the best case argument I have come to make for Saban choosing Gus. Very well said by the way. Intelligent and to the point and I appreciate the people here who don't instantly insult someone who doesn't agree with them. Still I kinda agree with NOPONY. I personally don't think the system is so complicated that only Gus could have played in it. I still believe that Sage or AJ wouldve done better over the course of the season if they were given the opportunity. Nontheless that's all in the past and I do think that Saban deserves great credit for turning around the team and making them play hard every week. I think we're well positioned for 2006 if we can bring in a few more players and the playoffs can finally be revisited

I have no problem with his arguement, I just don't necessarily agree that Gus is the right one to perform the job. My motto is attack the arguement not the person.
 
was my opinion, and for some reason you felt that you were required to attack my character and further attempt to diminish any validity in my opinion -- followed by completely disagreeing with every point I made, adding crude and immature attacks on my style.

Excuse me? Read it again.

You were the one who stooped to ad hominum, not me. I disagreed with your points, I backed it up and I explained.

You started in insulting me and then, like a kid on a playground complained that "he hit me back first!"

Please, read the exchanges again. There was nothing insulting or offensive at all in my rejoinder. The same cannot be said for yours.

I did not say "Firstly, it's evident that you are relatively indelicate when it comes to the logistical and appreciable basis behind team development and structure. Establishing a fundamental and effective system in the first year as a Head Coach is a difficult task and to be so arrogant as to not realize this has clearly provided you with that deficient judgement it takes to criticize such an issue."...

You did.

I attacked GUS. I didn't attack you. You did, however, attack me. And then, faced with arguments you cannot answer, complained that I was being rude. Come on.
 
Intelligent and to the point and I appreciate the people here who don't instantly insult someone who doesn't agree with them.

Do you really think this:

"Firstly, it's evident that you are relatively indelicate when it comes to the logistical and appreciable basis behind team development and structure. Establishing a fundamental and effective system in the first year as a Head Coach is a difficult task and to be so arrogant as to not realize this has clearly provided you with that deficient judgement it takes to criticize such an issue."...

Was not an insult? Couching an insult in flowering language does not make it any less an insult.
 
For what its worth....

Im defintaley wanted Feeley as our QB. Was absolutely not on the Gus Bus. And for the first part of the season....Gus made me want to vomit.

Now...maybe his poor play was from the lack of play over the last two years....

But in the last four weeks I think Gus has played much better. Much. He looked great against the Pats...and the Raiders and the Bolts. The Bills game he wasnt terrible..but he had no time. He was pretty good before leaving the Jets game also.

So...I think you need to look at his performance...much as in the same way as you look at the teams....things started coming together for everyone.

I am glad Saban stuck with Gus. It only gives me more confidence that Saban will make the right decision with our future QB.
 
But in the last four weeks I think Gus has played much better. Much. He looked great against the Pats...and the Raiders and the Bolts. The Bills game he wasnt terrible..but he had no time. He was pretty good before leaving the Jets game also.

Gus Ferotte's quarterback ratings for the last seven weeks:

51.9
83.6
39.6
93.6
54.9
128.8
58.3

The last four weeks you think he has been playing better he has put up two ratings in the fifties. That's awful. He had a career game against San Diego... but he really hasn't gotten a lot better.

So...I think you need to look at his performance...much as in the same way as you look at the teams....things started coming together for everyone.

I am glad Saban stuck with Gus. It only gives me more confidence that Saban will make the right decision with our future QB.

Two of those four games... HALF... were won because Saban finally couldn't stick with Gus. No debating that Sage won two of those games. If Gus hadn't had to go out, if Saban had been allowed to "stick with Gus"... we would not have won four in a row right now. Remember he had us down 23-3 in Buffalo.

Don't you think it's funny that things started to "come together for us" as soon as Sage was playing half the time?

Gus has nothing to do with this team starting to become very good.

Well, that's not entirely true... I was at the San Diego game and Gus was fantastic. But for some reason the winning streak, even though it was half Sage, has made people think Gus is so much better than he is.

It's weird. It's like the reverse of the Fieldler effect... everyone thought he was worse than he was and everyone thinks Gus is better.

Low expectations, I guess.

But Gus is one of the five worst starting quarterbacks in football. It's highly doubtful that he would start on any other team. He's that bad.
 
I believe that starting Gus was like having another coach on the field. He knew the system better than anyone but Linehan. This allowed the rest of the team to learn and have a leader help them learn the new system. Most teams after changing offensive philosophies have trouble in the beginning. Gus unfortunately is blessed only with the knowledge of the system and not the skills to implement it. He has had his ups and downs and has fairly erratic over the year. My one question is, who would you have rather brought in to run the team? Warner, Johnson or any other QB would have had to learn the system along with the team. Frerotte was able to talk to the other skill players and let them know what they missed. In the earlier games he did this on many occasions. They actually showed it in a few games this year where you could see hi explaining what the player had done wrong. I wish we would of had a better QB this year but I feel there really wasn't another option in FA. Also with the debate on drafting a QB, I feel that there was no option when we drafted in each round. Obviously Saban would have loved to add a young QB but decided that when we drafted he would take the player that we did instead of reaching for a player. Wrong or right, we don't know. Some of the young QBs have played well when we could of drafted them. I think there is always going to be a player that we could of had that has a great year or career and they were available. But do we know they would have a great year on our team. Hard to say. I hope we get a young QB this offseason, I jsut hope we don't reach or overpay for him.
 
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