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Graham: Fine first impression from Turner

I have serious doubts about this guy getting open in the NFL.
 
I know a lot of people have questions about him, but he was the only player the Dolphins drafted that I got a little excited about. He's the Dolphins best draft pick IMO.
 
I have serious doubts about this guy getting open in the NFL.

all he has to do is catch the ball and move the chains/out-jump CBs he has 6-7 inches on. He is not a speed guy at all, or a go-to guy, he is a possession guy and a good blocker. He wasn't drafted to be a go-to guy, all we need him to be is a poor man's Keyshawn Johnson. We don't need him to be the man.
 
the Mike Williams effect has haunted this guy, he could be the next Colston

good thing Kiper is not our GM
 
i don't think he'll be a superstar, more like a 50rec, 700yrd, 6 TD guy, and thats fine.

I'm not expecting superstar status, but he should be an effective Possesion WR.
 
I have serious doubts about this guy getting open in the NFL.


How open does a 6ft 5" guy have to be in order to be successful? All he has to do is use his big body to shield defenders away from the ball in order to make a catch, or out jump a shorter corner on a fade route in the end zone. Besides, I've been reading that Turner has quick feet and runs good routes. That alone should be enough to create space for the QB.
 
Let's be honest though, Camarillo is both faster and much quicker than Turner. The only advantage Turn has over Camarillo--and it's a big one--is that Turner is so tall. There are 2 advantages to having big receivers:

1) Ability to bail out an inaccurate QB by making the target much larger (especially in the red zone and on 3rd down),
2) Ability to have a catch zone at all when fully covered.

He has those things, and they're his strengths. But, the most important things about a receiver are:

1) Ability to get separation,
2) Ability to catch the ball when delivered,
3) Ability to run good routes because that maximizes receptions and minimizes interceptions, and
4) Ability to run after the catch.

I see Turner as having a lot of difficulty with 1) Separation ... and that concerns me. He has 2) Hands, and I will give him the benefit of the doubt and say he has 3) Route Running too, but honestly, he's not the guy to make yards after the catch and most importantly he's not the guy who gets open a lot, so I see him relying on his height very much and negating the wide target area for a less accurate QB.

Right now we have Pennington, and he can get the ball to Turner just fine ... just as he has shown he can get the ball to Camarillo and Bess as well. In the red zone we tend to rely on our TE's who are all big like Turner. So, I don't see Turner adding that much that a kid like London doesn't already add--size.

When Henne takes over, we may use that enlarged target area, but if he is routinely covered like a glove by the CB, it's not going to be as big as a WR who gets separation, so again he'll be limited to 3rd downs and in the red zone. So, IMHO, Turner is really competing as much with our receiving TE's as he is with our WR's. His lack of separation really gimps him for a starting WR in the NFL.

I didn't like the pick, but hey, I'd be ecstatic if this guy is one of those late-round gems. Ditto for Hartline or any of the guys drafted on the 2nd day ... but I'm more intrigued by kids like Nalbone who have the measurables to blossom into something significant than the kids that we know will be nothing more than role-players. Even if this 'potential' guy doesn't pan out, eventually one of those guys will.
 
I give you a little known tid bit on Turner, comming out of High School he was rated the 2nd BEST prospect in America. I think the reputaion of Mike Williams and Dwayne Jarrett puts a black cloud over any big body reciever comming out of USC.


BG12
 
Let's be honest though, Camarillo is both faster and much quicker than Turner. The only advantage Turn has over Camarillo--and it's a big one--is that Turner is so tall. There are 2 advantages to having big receivers:

1) Ability to bail out an inaccurate QB by making the target much larger (especially in the red zone and on 3rd down),
2) Ability to have a catch zone at all when fully covered.

He has those things, and they're his strengths. But, the most important things about a receiver are:

1) Ability to get separation,
2) Ability to catch the ball when delivered,
3) Ability to run good routes because that maximizes receptions and minimizes interceptions, and
4) Ability to run after the catch.

I see Turner as having a lot of difficulty with 1) Separation ... and that concerns me. He has 2) Hands, and I will give him the benefit of the doubt and say he has 3) Route Running too, but honestly, he's not the guy to make yards after the catch and most importantly he's not the guy who gets open a lot, so I see him relying on his height very much and negating the wide target area for a less accurate QB.

Right now we have Pennington, and he can get the ball to Turner just fine ... just as he has shown he can get the ball to Camarillo and Bess as well. In the red zone we tend to rely on our TE's who are all big like Turner. So, I don't see Turner adding that much that a kid like London doesn't already add--size.

When Henne takes over, we may use that enlarged target area, but if he is routinely covered like a glove by the CB, it's not going to be as big as a WR who gets separation, so again he'll be limited to 3rd downs and in the red zone. So, IMHO, Turner is really competing as much with our receiving TE's as he is with our WR's. His lack of separation really gimps him for a starting WR in the NFL.

I didn't like the pick, but hey, I'd be ecstatic if this guy is one of those late-round gems. Ditto for Hartline or any of the guys drafted on the 2nd day ... but I'm more intrigued by kids like Nalbone who have the measurables to blossom into something significant than the kids that we know will be nothing more than role-players. Even if this 'potential' guy doesn't pan out, eventually one of those guys will.

Well let's see... Pat White at QB, Ronnie Brown in the backfield, 2 TEs and Turner and Bess/Ginn at WR in the red zone provides for a LOT of options. Turner will get plenty of looks because the QB just needs to throw the ball up and have Turner go get it If Turner runs good routes--he will get open and be a good player to move the chains. He is just going to be another concern for the defense to worry about opening up the offense for others.
 
I have serious doubts about this guy getting open in the NFL.

I am the exact opposite...

I think he will end up being our #2 within 2 seasons. He has enough speed to get the job done like any other WR that does not run a 4.3-4.4... He runs a low 4.6...it is not impossible for him to pan out. I have faith the FO knows how to use him.

His height and hands will be his best asset...

Unless your name is AL Davis...not sure why you said that. If you are AL Davis, then I understand he did not break the sound barrier on his 40ty.
 
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