Hoofbeats said:Your straw man argument is flawed for two reasons 1) I did NOT say Dilfer and Johnson or anybody of that caliber was better. Stop saying I did; and 2) Yes, it IS acceptable to judge the QB by his surroundings because part of his job is to make everyone else better. Good QB's win games and great ones win playoff games but the GREATEST win it all. That doesn't mean some good to great QB's with tons of talent around them might not sneak in there now and then. But Marino can't claim his "surroundings" were against him. He had MORE talent than Elway had to work with, a better head coach BY FAR, and a terriffic system perfectly suited for his talents.
We had Sammy Winder, Gerald Willhite, Steve Sewell, Clarence Kay, Vance Johnson, Mark Jackson...all journeyman mediocre talent guys. Marino had more tools to work with and accomplished less, regardless of what his stats say.
Wagon Circler said:Dolphins will be 0-1, but the broncos still suck.
Like what?CashInFist said:Care to place a wager on that?
CashInFist said:Care to place a wager on that?
Wagon Circler said:come up with some terms.
I'll make it better....Dolphins start 0-1, bills start 1-0. Lets bet.
I'll make it easy on you guys.DolphinDevil28 said:But when you do a double bet like that, what happens if the Dolphins and the Bills start 1-0? Because that's what I think will happen.
Wagon Circler said:Like what?
Wagon Circler said:come up with some terms.
I'll make it better....Dolphins start 0-1, bills start 1-0. Lets bet.
Wagon Circler said:I'll make it easy on you guys.
Anything other than 0-1 fins and 1-0 bills you win.
Come up with some terms and I'm all for it.
Haha, let's go easy on it for the first bet of the season.DolphinDevil28 said:How about 10 bucks or a case of beer? Come on, lets do something good instead of avatars and ****.