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I was watching a video on profootballweekly about 'whispers' in Miami...
The guy was talking about Hennings style of offence, that it desperately needs an H-Back and a big offensive line, he said Ronnie is exactly the back they need, and that a franchise QB is not necessary, Beck just needs to take care of the ball.

This is along the lines of what Jay Fiedler did for us.


My question is where do we get the H-back, is he on the team, in the draft?

our current FB is not the guy, he is a lead blocker, thats all I know...IMO
 
i dont see how and where this scheme was from... i trying to think of panthers rosters... when did they ever have a big blocking h-back??? Brad Hoover would be the only guy coming to my mind.

henning likes to go down field with the ball at times, but is a run first oriented offense he runs. so we'll see a lot of 2 back sets featuring 2 play-makers, kinda like what he did with Stephen Davis and DeShaun Foster. i think we are set at rB for this... Brown, Chapman (should sign), Williams, and Booker

fix the o-line a bit, need a WR, TE.... in time this could be a consistant offense to move down field... gotta be able to be patient with it, tends to be conservative at times with Henning.
 
I think Justin Peele has some experience at H-back, but he isn't what I would consider to be "big". I hope Dan Henning doesn't forget about Reagan Mauia and the progressions he went through his rookie season, because Reagan and Ronnie in the backfield makes a powerful combination. The Juggernaut has the potential to be one of the few youngsters in the NFL that carries the FB tag proudly.
 
pelle is actaully a decent h back heis a relatively good blocker and has the size to be an h back with good pass catching ability
 
Dolfan4life34 said:
pelle is actaully a decent h back heis a relatively good blocker and has the size to be an h back with good pass catching ability
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I agree with his pass catching abilities. Last year he proved he could catch the ball consistently and at times proved that he should be the starter over David "Dropsies" Martin.
 
I don't want him to be conservative! I want an aggressive passing/running combo. I hate conservative offenses but if we are winning I wont complain.
 
Dfan06 said:
I don't want him to be conservative! I want an aggressive passing/running combo. I hate conservative offenses but if we are winning I wont complain.
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Henning is run first, and if we pound it well it can open up the passing game, in which he loves to strike downfield at times. so it could open up a lot, but he can be conservative often too. watch a lot of ins and outs and curls... hopefully we can open up the vertical game often though too!!!
 
Teams that generally use an H-Back also use a Fullback, and kind of split up their duties between them.

An H-Back will generally be more involved as a receiver and do more pass blocking, and the run blocking will sometimes, and the fullback will more often have pure I-formation duties.

Peelle has been an H-Back before, but he's not that great. Jim Kleinsasser is a guy to keep an eye on. I think it's more likely one of the taller guys who can handle pass protection in the draft will be a target.
 
Again, I think people are getting a little confused with Henning's offense. People are immediately coming to the conclusion that Henning will run some sort of power football game in the vein of Wanny ball, and that's not entirely true.

Henning comes from the 'Air' Coryel lineage of coaches, just like Cameron and Norv Turner when they coached under Gibbs in Washington. It all starts with the QB and his ability to make quick decisions and get rid of the ball in a hurry, while at the same time making sure that pretty much every play had someone going deep. It's exactly what Cameron was looking for when he drafted Beck, and the reason he drafted so many game breaking accessories to assist in the short to intermediate passing game, as well as the deep ball i.e. Booker and Ginn.

Cameron worked it in almost the opposite direction in San Diego since he had LT and could use him to open up the passing game. He used the same Coryel philosophy, but molded it to fit the personnel. While Henning had an effective Davis in Carolina, he also had Delhomme and Smith, so in many respects he operated the Coryel offense by the book.

As stated, Parcells and Co. want to fit the system to the players, and considering Cameron already installed a proven offense, it just makes sense to build upon the work that was started, with the players we already have in place to, hopefully, operate it. Ronnie's recovery will have a lot to do with how we run the offense or, at least, it's basic structure under the Coryel methodology, but none of that will matter unless we address the defense first, which I fully expect Parcells and Ireland to do.
 
Dfan06 said:
I don't want him to be conservative! I want an aggressive passing/running combo. I hate conservative offenses but if we are winning I wont complain.
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Personally, I'm a big fan of the smash mouth approach that Sparano practices. I'm glad we are getting back to the old school type of football, because the Phins have been viewed as a "soft" team for too long. We need an injection of attitude into this franchise.
 
Disgustipate just gave an accurate description of the typical H-back. But I wanted to add that Henning's offense doesn't desperately need an H-back, as that article stated. The whole thought behind employing an "H-back" is if you've got that much talent at TE then you want them on the field. It's really more a matter of emphasizing the team's strengths. Henning's offensive philosophy is not a rigid thought that will only work if you have a certain kind of player; it's more about being flexible and taking what you have and emphasizing your team's strengths.
A lot of fans are so sure that we are going to see this huge makover and our offense is going to be "this" and our defense is going to be "that".
I believe what we're going to see is an offense and defense that emphasizes strengths and hides weaknesses to the best of their ability.
Of course we're going to see some 2 TE sets. Just about every team has them. Cam ran some last year. The Colts run a lot of them. Different teams have different terms for the 2nd TE, though. Flexed out TE, F-back, etc.
 
DrunkenFan said:
Again, I think people are getting a little confused with Henning's offense. People are immediately coming to the conclusion that Henning will run some sort of power football game in the vein of Wanny ball, and that's not entirely true.

Henning comes from the 'Air' Coryel lineage of coaches, just like Cameron and Norv Turner when they coached under Gibbs in Washington. It all starts with the QB and his ability to make quick decisions and get rid of the ball in a hurry, while at the same time making sure that pretty much every play had someone going deep. It's exactly what Cameron was looking for when he drafted Beck, and the reason he drafted so many game breaking accessories to assist in the short to intermediate passing game, as well as the deep ball i.e. Booker and Ginn.

Cameron worked it in almost the opposite direction in San Diego since he had LT and could use him to open up the passing game. He used the same Coryel philosophy, but molded it to fit the personnel. While Henning had an effective Davis in Carolina, he also had Delhomme and Smith, so in many respects he operated the Coryel offense by the book.

As stated, Parcells and Co. want to fit the system to the players, and considering Cameron already installed a proven offense, it just makes sense to build upon the work that was started, with the players we already have in place to, hopefully, operate it. Ronnie's recovery will have a lot to do with how we run the offense or, at least, it's basic structure under the Coryel methodology, but none of that will matter unless we address the defense first, which I fully expect Parcells and Ireland to do.
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Yeah that, except you type faster.
 
SweetLou said:
I think Justin Peele has some experience at H-back, but he isn't what I would consider to be "big". I hope Dan Henning doesn't forget about Reagan Mauia and the progressions he went through his rookie season, because Reagan and Ronnie in the backfield makes a powerful combination. The Juggernaut has the potential to be one of the few youngsters in the NFL that carries the FB tag proudly.
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I hope none of you have forgotten about our 250-270lb Samoan FB who referred to himself as The Juggernaut.i agree with you on him&Ronnie being a powerful combination,and worth a look as a combo.
 
The Panthers had Nate Goings he may have fit that role. So I guess we would be looking for a player of that style.
 
i really want to draft dev hester from lsu in a late round. he could be that h-back. he's a great blocker,can catch well,a team player and would come cheap. some say he may even go undrafted but i don't know about that.

while maui maybe a good blocker we haven't seen much else catching wise due to the cast. i never understood why green kept throwing him the ball when it was obvious the cast was restricting his catching skills so im still not sold on him until we see with the cast off..and it's nice to have competion.

as for peele he maynot be here next year. i can only hope we draft a te with the 3rd. martin is probly good as gone so maybe peele stays on as a #2 where he belongs.
 
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