Hardy info Via boomer?

[SR 7]

accoridng to a poster on the finheaven we were using until this came up again (celtkin) someone said boomer had made a post on why Miami wouldn't go for Hardy the WR from Indy.

I serrched but came up empty and for some reason he wasn't even on the members list...can someone help me find that link or might fill me in as to why he woudlnt be a good fit cuz from what I've seen of Hardy, Ive loved.

 

[swampfox]

Think this is the thread http://celtkin.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3046

 

[Majpain]

WE don't need a wife beater on the team.

 

[General Tso]

Parcells, Ireland and Sparano have all emphasized character. I'm assuming that's not simply lip service, which means Hardy won't be on our draft board.

 

[SR 7]

never knew he was randy mcmichael sad to hear : / another waste of talent.

 

[Fin-omenal]

..You should always treat women good--

...signed OJ Simpson and Pac man Jones.

 

[Enforcerfin33]

This was BLOWN waaay out of proportion, it was a 2 way street. Granted it is never ok to hit a woman. And I never heard any TRUTH behind him hitting a kid. He had a stellar yr, and was trouble free. Plus you cant judge someone who was never even convicted of anything. The whole thing was dismissed.

 

[ckparrothead]

I disagree with Boomer on this one because he tends to make it sound like it is a perfectly plain and undeniable fact what happened there, when it is anything but. The charges were dropped, on condition that he attended some program of non-violence or something like that. Unfortunately, way too many people think of that as an admission of guilt, when in all reality it's an easy way to avoid a trial that would turn into he-said, she-said.

Suffice it to say, if it was such an undeniable fact that he hit his child, he would be in jail. There is no denying that. They let him off with just a class because they did not believe the charge that he hit the kid, and they most likely doubted their ability to convict him of anything period, and at that point they hand the guy a class just in case something did get out of hand between the two of them.

 

[Boomer]

The facts of the matter are thus; that the police arrived at Hardy's flat and his girlfriend was sitting on the kerb with her shirt torn, bleeding, with cuts to her face and bruises to her neck.

In the end, she didn't press charges. He may have only attacked her once, but the pattern for spousal abuse is that the spouse very rarely a) presses charges and b) walks away. Lots of peoplv say he's changed and he's grown up and if it was a one off, I fully believe that no-one should be castigated for one mistake.

But........if it was a one off, it was once too many. And he was suspended for 2 games for a non related incident. Given what Parcells, Ireland and Sparano have said about character, I don't see James being a target on draft day.

 

[SR 7]

The facts of the matter are thus; that the police arrived at Hardy's flat and his girlfriend was sitting on the kerb with her shirt torn, bleeding, with cuts to her face and bruises to her neck.

In the end, she didn't press charges. He may have only attacked her once, but the pattern for spousal abuse is that the spouse very rarely a) presses charges and b) walks away. Lots of peoplv say he's changed and he's grown up and if it was a one off, I fully believe that no-one should be castigated for one mistake.

But........if it was a one off, it was once too many. And he was suspended for 2 games for a non related incident. Given what Parcells, Ireland and Sparano have said about character, I don't see James being a target on draft day.

boomer how long ago was this? b/c last i recall parcells still wetn to VT to tell em he doesnt want thugs and so forth...last i recall we have JP and RW. Last i recall Sparano said he wont judge em until he talks to them in person.

If parcells didnt care for the talent b/c they were thugs n' criminals he would not have wasted his time to go to VT and inform them. He basically did that to get htem to straighten up adn get their acts together.

So one offense on Hardys behalf esp long ago (assuming it was over a year ago) shouldn't justify who he is. How do u know she didnt pull a knife for instance on him? or she didn't beat him until he just lost his mind? You never know what happened since its a dead issue apparently w/out much details.

 

[Boomer]

boomer how long ago was this? b/c last i recall parcells still wetn to VT to tell em he doesnt want thugs and so forth...last i recall we have JP and RW. Last i recall Sparano said he wont judge em until he talks to them in person.

If parcells didnt care for the talent b/c they were thugs n' criminals he would not have wasted his time to go to VT and inform them. He basically did that to get htem to straighten up adn get their acts together.

So one offense on Hardys behalf esp long ago (assuming it was over a year ago) shouldn't justify who he is. How do u know she didnt pull a knife for instance on him? or she didn't beat him until he just lost his mind? You never know what happened since its a dead issue apparently w/out much details.

Hardy is 6'7 and 226lbs.

His girlfriend isn't.

She was covered in bruises. He didn't have a mark on him.

I wasn't there, so I don't know what happened. But I've been following the draft for a long, long time and this will hurt his stock. A domestic battery arrest will do that to you. He lied to the police and said nothing physical happened, then when confronted with her state, he admitted pushing and striking her. The court papers showed that he'd struck the child also.

She dropped charges.

It happened in 2006.

And Ricky Williams isn't a thug. He has a social anxiety disorder. That doesn't make him a gangbanger.

If you think this isn't going to red flag him, especially in Roger Goodell's brave new world, then you're crazy.

 

[Regan21286]

Never knew the argument would carry over to Finheaven from celtkin.com but here goes. (hopefully without the personal insults)

Hardy is 6'7 and 226lbs.

His girlfriend isn't.

She was covered in bruises. He didn't have a mark on him.

I wasn't there, so I don't know what happened. But I've been following the draft for a long, long time and this will hurt his stock. A domestic battery arrest will do that to you. He lied to the police and said nothing physical happened, then when confronted with her state, he admitted pushing and striking her. The court papers showed that he'd struck the child also.

She dropped charges.

It happened in 2006.

And Ricky Williams isn't a thug. He has a social anxiety disorder. That doesn't make him a gangbanger.

If you think this isn't going to red flag him, especially in Roger Goodell's brave new world, then you're crazy.

His shirt was allegedly torn according to officers at the scene. And from what I gather, Kyra Nolan, his girlfriend, had a brother who was there when it happened. If there was spousal abuse and the victim did not fully press charges, surely a relative at the scene would have.

But really, no one knows what really happened. Really have to agree with CK there. And in this country, you're innocent until you're proven guilty, which hasn't happened. Hardy's been through the courses, got his own counseling out of his own pockets, and has integrated himself in community service. Considers the mother of his son as a "blessing". His coach, players, and members of his community are applauding his growth from a troubled youngster whose dad had been in prison for 8 years to a mature person (I have included links to the articles in the Bloomington, Indiana papers that verify that in the celtkin.com thread). And so far he's been clean enough to warrant having the proverbial albatross removed from his neck.

Are the Dolphins going to draft him? Probably not unless all the top big target WR's are gone. Even so, one could judge a person in an interview, run a very thorough background check, and ask all the right people about him.

 

[Aqua4Ever04]

Hardy is 6'7 and 226lbs.

He also runs a 4.6 and caught 36 touchdowns in 3 years at Indiana. In his Junior season (final season) he had 79 catches 1125 yards and 16 TDs. The dude can play, if he falls all the way to 32 and we haven't already made a play on a WR in FA/a trade, I think we'd be nuts to pass him up. The dude is a Calvin Johnson clone.

As for the legal issues, I tend to agree with CK. There's always a two way street and two sides to a story and while I don't know much about the situation, I've heard that Hardy isn't that kind of a guy. Randy McMichael had spousal battery issues and after that he stayed out of trouble; 2nd chances guys, 2nd chances.

 

[Boomer]

Never knew the argument would carry over to Finheaven from celtkin.com but here goes. (hopefully without the personal insults)



His shirt was allegedly torn according to officers at the scene. And from what I gather, Kyra Nolan, his girlfriend, had a brother who was there when it happened. If there was spousal abuse and the victim did not fully press charges, surely a relative at the scene would have.

But really, no one knows what really happened. Really have to agree with CK there. And in this country, you're innocent until you're proven guilty, which hasn't happened. Hardy's been through the courses, got his own counseling out of his own pockets, and has integrated himself in community service. Considers the mother of his son as a "blessing". His coach, players, and members of his community are applauding his growth from a troubled youngster whose dad had been in prison for 8 years to a mature person (I have included links to the articles in the Bloomington, Indiana papers that verify that in the celtkin.com thread). And so far he's been clean enough to warrant having the proverbial albatross removed from his neck.

Are the Dolphins going to draft him? Probably not unless all the top big target WR's are gone. Even so, one could judge a person in an interview, run a very thorough background check, and ask all the right people about him.

I cannot believe you you can continue to justify this. You have mates at Indiana....wow. I have mates at FSU and Gino Hayes is still a tool.....wow. I don't care what he says about the mother of his son now. I'm sure Ted Bundy said nice things about his victims.

The bottom line and the reason this thread is here is about his draft stock. If you don't think it will then you know nothing about the draft.

Nothing.

 

[Boomer]

He also runs a 4.6 and caught 36 touchdowns in 3 years at Indiana. In his Junior season (final season) he had 79 catches 1125 yards and 16 TDs. The dude can play, if he falls all the way to 32 and we haven't already made a play on a WR in FA/a trade, I think we'd be nuts to pass him up. The dude is a Calvin Johnson clone.

As for the legal issues, I tend to agree with CK. There's always a two way street and two sides to a story and while I don't know much about the situation, I've heard that Hardy isn't that kind of a guy. Randy McMichael had spousal battery issues and after that he stayed out of trouble; 2nd chances guys, 2nd chances.

He's nothing like Calvin Johnson. He isn't quick or fast and has issues getting off the line.

And how you can in one line say that you agree with Chris and in the next say you know nothing about the situation, is frankly beyond me.

But hey ho.

I'm frankly less than interested......all I care about is his draft status, which will take a hit and get him red flagged.