Harrington 20% improvement =

[SCall13]

Just kicking around the idea that Harrington will improve alot with the Dolphins organization. I think he will come closer to realizing the potential he had coming out of college. I just thought I'd figure about a 20% improvement over his career averages. (Just the main stats) Here's what a came up with. **This is numbers projected over a full season** We knowhe will not likely play that much, but I thought it might give a better idea of my point to extend it out.

Here are his career averages:

YARDS: 2560. Comp.% 54.7 TDs 15 INTs 15.5

With a 20% improvement on these numbers, here's what we'd get:

YARDS: 3072 Comp.% 65% (a bit high in comparison. A bit more realistic: 60%) TDs 18-20 INTs 12


Those TD numbers could be even better with the balance we have and the talent we have at the WR position and the fact that he will have more time behind our line than he did behind Detroits.

Again, I'm not suggesting Harrington will play over Culpepper, if he gets to play at all. But just for the hell of it, I wanted to throw the thought out there. It's basically to solidify the fact that we potentially got one helluva steal in this deal and a very solid and talented QB corp.

 

[feelthepain]

Just kicking around the idea that Harrington will improve alot with the Dolphins organization. I think he will come closer to realizing the potential he had coming out of college. I just thought I'd figure about a 20% improvement over his career averages. (Just the main stats) Here's what a came up with. **This is numbers projected over a full season** We knowhe will not likely play that much, but I thought it might give a better idea of my point to extend it out.

Here are his career averages:

YARDS: 2560. Comp.% 54.7 TDs 15 INTs 15.5

With a 20% improvement on these numbers, here's what we'd get:

YARDS: 3072 Comp.% 65% (a bit high in comparison. A bit more realistic: 60%) TDs 18-20 INTs 12


Those TD numbers could be even better with the balance we have and the talent we have at the WR position and the fact that he will have more time behind our line than he did behind Detroits.

Again, I'm not suggesting Harrington will play over Culpepper, if he gets to play at all. But just for the hell of it, I wanted to throw the thought out there. It's basically to solidify the fact that we potentially got one helluva steal in this deal and a very solid and talented QB corp.

I wish it were so easy to make that kind of an upgrade right out of the gate, but he is a WC QB and we don't run a WCO. Not that he won't be able to play in our system, my point is not only will he have to lean a whole new system, but he'll have to get used to a whole new set of WR's. In year two we may be able to see the 20% increase, but I would be happy.....(as a backup or starter) if he stepped in and played equal to what we had in Gus last year as a starter, which ironically is similar to Joey's numbers in Detroit last year.

 

[first&goal]

Yes Saban did a good job to get Harrington, reading your projections, I also feel that would be possible for him to improve with our team.

 

[dolfan4eva]

I wish it were so easy to make that kind of an upgrade right out of the gate, but he is a WC QB and we don't run a WCO. Not that he won't be able to play in our system, my point is not only will he have to lean a whole new system, but he'll have to get used to a whole new set of WR's. In year two we may be able to see the 20% increase, but I would be happy.....(as a backup or starter) if he stepped in and played equal to what we had in Gus last year as a starter, which ironically is similar to Joey's numbers in Detroit last year.

He isn't a WCO QB. That's one of the main reasons he didn't do well in Detroit. I'm not saying he's going to do any better, but another system that plays to his strengths is what he needs.

 

[feelthepain]

He isn't a WCO QB. That's one of the main reasons he didn't do well in Detroit. I'm not saying he's going to do any better, but another system that plays to his strengths is what he needs.

If I'm not mistaken he's from Oregon, and they are one of the division 1-A teams that run a WCO, it's also where AJ went to school.

 

[MrClean]

If I'm not mistaken he's from Oregon, and they are one of the division 1-A teams that run a WCO, it's also where AJ went to school.

You are mistaken about the Ducks offense when Joey was there. Did you watch Joey QB the Ducks? Their passing attack was predominantly vertical in nature, more similar to Miami's current offense than to the one he ran in Detroit. The two primary WRs during Joey's tenure were Samie Parker and Keenan Howry, both smaller slender fast guys who would never survive long in a WCO.

 

[thejetssuck]

He isn't a WCO QB. That's one of the main reasons he didn't do well in Detroit. .

BINGO!!!!! WE HAVE A WINNER!!!!!! SOMEONE ELSE FINALLY GETS IT!!!!
I am not guaranteeing Harrington will flourish in our system , but think about this. How well do you think Dan Marino would do in a West coast offense people? Food for thought, now......DIGEST!!!!

 

[DoggPhin]

Oregon's 2001 offense under Mike Belotti and Jeff Tedford wasn't WCO at all - did borrow a few elements - but was more vertical. Considered a "Pro" style offense however - Joey behind shotgun a lot.

In the NFL, there's the WCO - and then there's the WCO. Mike Holmgren's offense is a bit different from Andy Reid's who runs it different from Jon Gruden. However the WCO in Detroit under Steve Mariucci had to be one of the WORST offenses in NFL history!!

The "Mooch" in Detroit proved himself to be a fraud, IMO. Hard to imagine this guy coaching again ... It was like, hey, maybe this guy just inherited a great veteran Niner team from Bill Walsh and George Siefert ... but was revealed as a total clown in Detroit.

Over and over. Game after game. Plays were called in from the sideline and Joey Harrington ran the plays... Screens on third and long, Check downs to two-yard routes when they needed eight. Safe, Vanilla ... BORING. Someone wrote "Harrington looks like a programmed robot out there".

Mooch was SO bad in Detroit his first year - they brought in another S.F. Mooch buddy, Ted Tollner - realizing that Mariucci had problems calling his own offense - Tollner was given the OC. Total failure, also. O-Line coach Patrick Morris could not get his Line to run block OR pass block. Rumors were the guys didn't "buy into" his blocking schemes. The Lions then got Greg Olson to call plays in 2004 - Joey had some big 300+ yard games under Olson.

COACHING. That's the story with Harrington - Steve Mariucci was given the job of developing a #3 pick QB - and totally flopped. He did NOT do his job - he did NOT motivate the Team - his Offense totally stunk - and he was fired! THREE YEARS!!!

COACHING alone, under Nick Saban and Mike Mularkey and Jason Garrett - is gonna make Joey Harrington into a great NFL Quarterback ... add a veteran group of players, a winning attitude - get ready for PLAYOFFS!!

 

[Alex44]

Thing is that 20% improvment is assuming he plays 16 games....so can you scale it down somehow to show a 20% improvment and what his stats would be for 3 to 5 games? That way we get a better Idea of what to expect

 

[tkPhinFan]

You are mistaken about the Ducks offense when Joey was there. Did you watch Joey QB the Ducks? Their passing attack was predominantly vertical in nature, more similar to Miami's current offense than to the one he ran in Detroit. The two primary WRs during Joey's tenure were Samie Parker and Keenan Howry, both smaller slender fast guys who would never survive long in a WCO.

You're right, we all love Eva. And the other stuff too.....:D

 

[SCall13]

Thing is that 20% improvment is assuming he plays 16 games....so can you scale it down somehow to show a 20% improvment and what his stats would be for 3 to 5 games? That way we get a better Idea of what to expect

OK, let's take those numbers and break it down into 5 games. (for the sake of not breaking down the percentage to EXACT, let's say that he plays 30% of the 16 game season.


921 yards.
62-65% Comp. %
6 TDs
3.5 Ints

Not bad. But if his completion percentage truly does increase to 60% or better, then his TDs would almost automatically go up even more. IF he remains steadily accurate, his INT total might also come down. There are alot of ifs, but it's fun to kick around.

 

[Alex44]

OK, let's take those numbers and break it down into 5 games. (for the sake of not breaking down the percentage to EXACT, let's say that he plays 30% of the 16 game season.


921 yards.
62-65% Comp. %
6 TDs
3.5 Ints

Not bad. But if his completion percentage truly does increase to 60% or better, then his TDs would almost automatically go up even more. IF he remains steadily accurate, his INT total might also come down. There are alot of ifs, but it's fun to kick around.

Im a harrington fan, Ive always thought he took to much heat for things that werent his fault. If he throws 3.5 int's I will be impressed

 

[SCall13]

Im a harrington fan, Ive always thought he took to much heat for things that werent his fault. If he throws 3.5 int's I will be impressed

LOL. ME too! Noone would ever do that again!!

 

[PhinBeck]

Getting Joey for a cond sixth was a steal. He is not a WC offense guy. People think because AJ was a WC guy and played with Joey at Oregon that makes Joey a WC guy. AJ got the WC from Philli. AJ also had other issues that made him fail. Joey did not have them in college, AJ had neagative factors back to college starting with the injury. Joey was great in college, got to Detroit and then they sucked. Joey did better than anyqb in Detroit that I can remember, and still wasnt good.

Now he comes in here with the pressure off, he isnt the one looked to be the savoir, he isnt the face of the franchise. Even if he never plays, he provides a solid backup option. For him he can recharge his batteries, relax and revive his career.

 

[LarryFinFan]

I wish it were so easy to make that kind of an upgrade right out of the gate, but he is a WC QB and we don't run a WCO. Not that he won't be able to play in our system, my point is not only will he have to lean a whole new system, but he'll have to get used to a whole new set of WR's. In year two we may be able to see the 20% increase, but I would be happy.....(as a backup or starter) if he stepped in and played equal to what we had in Gus last year as a starter, which ironically is similar to Joey's numbers in Detroit last year.

Pain...that's a good assessment for him. The thing about a WC QB, historically, they don't convert back to other types of offenses very easily. Look at what Garcia has done when NOT in a WCO ?? AJ Feeley never grasped the route reading either. The WCO is one in which the QB's job is to dump the ball off quickly and the recievers determine the routes. There is one basic route tree for each reciever...depending on the coverage the reciever picks the specific route in the tree and the QB looks for the open guy. In most standard offenses, the route is called in the huddle or at the LOS when the defense is determined. Each reciever has a specified route. There is a predetermined first, second and third read of recievers... For some reason, most WCO QBs tend to have problems when changing back to other types of offenses. In Joey's and AJ's case, they ran the Tedford offense in college and it is more similar to Linehan's offense than others, so perhaps he'll adjust easier...but I can't actually think of a QB that has been successful immediately after changing offenses...