Harrington over Daunte???

[Butterfrog 2.0]

LoL, I just don't understand this. I've seen people say he couldn't be worse, but....... YES HE COULD. What can Joey do physically that Daunte can't or actually what can Joey even come close to physically when compared to Daunte??? You could try to bring up the mental part, and that's where Daunte is hurting the team right now, which if that's your opinion then ok that's fine, but Joey hasn't ever showed he can make good decisions either. You know, I could almost see/understand people screaming/crying for Cleo Lemon over Daunte just because Cleo is unknown and who knows what he will or can do, but Joey has played for quite some time in the NFL and he has not proven to be half the starting calibre QB that Daunte is. Some of you that hated Daunte before he even got here because he had ONE bad season last year after many many Great ones are the same ones that are screaming to start Harrington when every season he's ever had has been bad.

Now despite my little rant here, I'm not saying without a doubt that Joey Can't get it done, but there's no reason IMO to think that he will fair any better than Daunte right now, and it is WAY too early to give up on our starting QB anyway.

 

[TampaFinsFan01]

LoL, I just don't understand this. I've seen people say he couldn't be worse, but....... YES HE COULD. What can Joey do physically that Daunte can't or actually what can Joey even come close to physically when compared to Daunte??? You could try to bring up the mental part, and that's where Daunte is hurting the team right now, which if that's your opinion then ok that's fine, but Joey hasn't ever showed he can make good decisions either. You know, I could almost see/understand people screaming/crying for Cleo Lemon over Daunte just because Cleo is unknown and who knows what he will or can do, but Joey has played for quite some time in the NFL and he has not proven to be half the starting calibre QB that Daunte is. Some of you that hated Daunte before he even got here because he had ONE bad season last year after many many Great ones are the same ones that are screaming to start Harrington when every season he's ever had has been bad.

Now despite my little rant here, I'm not saying without a doubt that Joey Can't get it done, but there's no reason IMO to think that he will fair any better than Daunte right now, and it is WAY too early to give up on our starting QB anyway.

It is not too early to give up on any player thats not producing. If you want to look at past performances to make a case against Joey, lets look at his last start, which was ironically against the Steelers. He played much better than Duante has in over since 2004. I think Joey should get consideration, but whether hes better or not isn't really the point. DC is a failure. He must be replaced and its NS's job to find someone better, not mine.

 

[theFreak41]

It is not too early to give up on any player thats not producing. If you want to look at past performances to make a case against Joey, lets look at his last start, which was ironically against the Steelers. He played much better than Duante has in over since 2004. I think Joey should get consideration, but whether hes better or not isn't really the point. DC is a failure. He must be replaced and its NS's job to find someone better, not mine.

Let's not be ridiculous. If you want to go back to last year, let's look at Duante's last complete game from last year, shall we? He was 23-31 (as opposed to Joey's 17-33) for 280 yards and 2 TD's (Joey threw for 212 yards and 3 TD's).

At any rate, that's not the point. He's a new QB in a new system and he deserves some time to acclimate himself. He also needs the recievers to step up and start coming back to him when he's in trouble, he needs the line to actually block for him, and he needs the coaches to make his job easier by calling plays that make his life easier (3 step drop, quick slants).

Joey Harrington is a terrible quarterback and has never been proven otherwise. He's never completed more than 57% of his passes for goodness sake! Even now, as poorly as he's doing, Duante's completing 59.4% of his passes.

Cleo Lemon would at least offer an unknown element. I can understand people calling for him to start, but Joey freaking Harrington? The guy is terrible! Come on, people...

 

[SCall13]

i really don't want to get into a QB debate, but right now the biggest thing it boils down to is confidence. There is no question in my mind that Harrington showed more confidence and played better than Culpepper in the preseason. Confidence in your play is HUGE as a QB. Not only does LACK of it effect your play, but it effects everyone around you. Joey Harrington may not have quite the arm strength that Culpepper does, but he can make ALL the throws an NFL QB needs to make. And right now, Culpeppers advantage in arm strength means nothing because he's been throwing everything off his back foot. (YES, EVEN WHEN HE HAS ALOT OF TIME). Harrington, in preseason was throwing some ropes downfield to recievers - beautiful throws. A lot of them were dropped. Harringtons completion percentage is lower than Culpeppers, but don't let that fool you. Culpepper, during the preseason and upt o now, has been throwing higher percentage passes - meaning that the passes he is throwing are easy completions to the RBs, to the TEs to the flats, or the simple crossing patterns to the WRs.
I would rather a QB have a 58% completion percentage and make some big plays than a QB with a 68% comp. percentage and never take any shots down field. This offense, right now, is not moving. And alot of it can be blamed on Culpeppers lack of trying to make any plays. He has constantly went with the safe throws and it's really bogging down the offense.

I could keep on and on about this. I'm not really ready to give up on Pep yet. But if he struggles again, HE HAS TO BE PULLED. We can not throw a potentially successful season away because our QB has gotten happy feet, lost confidence, making bone-head mistakes, etc. The NFL season is too short. Two games is already to big a margin for error.

 

[Silentobserver]

Take a look at Joey's old team. The only receiver that is back is Roy Williams, the rest got cut. Wow, that's amazing. BMW can't even make it on the active roster, their 1st round pick 2 years ago. Charles Rogers the 2nd over all pick 4 years ago was cut and can't even make a roster spot anywhere. If folks can't see that Joey was surrounded by not only untalented but lazy untrying receivers then you have to be blind. Joey was in a winnless situation in Detroit only the throw 3 TD passes against the soon to be superbowl winners. Yup, Joey should and will be the Miami QB soon enough, then we'll have our man.

 

[SCall13]

Let's not be ridiculous. If you want to go back to last year, let's look at Duante's last complete game from last year, shall we? He was 23-31 (as opposed to Joey's 17-33) for 280 yards and 2 TD's (Joey threw for 212 yards and 3 TD's).

At any rate, that's not the point. He's a new QB in a new system and he deserves some time to acclimate himself. He also needs the recievers to step up and start coming back to him when he's in trouble, he needs the line to actually block for him, and he needs the coaches to make his job easier by calling plays that make his life easier (3 step drop, quick slants).

Joey Harrington is a terrible quarterback and has never been proven otherwise. He's never completed more than 57% of his passes for goodness sake! Even now, as poorly as he's doing, Duante's completing 59.4% of his passes.

Cleo Lemon would at least offer an unknown element. I can understand people calling for him to start, but Joey freaking Harrington? The guy is terrible! Come on, people...

A new QB in a new system? Culpepper has been in this system and has said on NUMEROUS occasions that he was very comfortable in the offense and was feeling good in it. This is the same offense that Linehan ran with Culpepper in Minny. So there is no excuse.
In defense of Harrington: He has never NEVER played behind even an average offensive line. Yes, his completion percentage is lower than Culpepper's but there are alot of factors that can be attributed to that.

There were several times in the past two games that plays were called with quick drops and Culpepper held the ball, double pumped and was very indecisive. I don't understand what the deal is, but we can't continue to let this team faulter. It may not be all of Pep's fault but alot of it is. The offense could use a spark.

As for Lemon going ahead of Harrington? :shakeno:

 

[theFreak41]

If Joey Harrington's our man, it's going to be an insanely disgusting season. Think Wannstadt's last year...

 

[TampaFinsFan01]

Let's not be ridiculous. If you want to go back to last year, let's look at Duante's last complete game from last year, shall we? He was 23-31 (as opposed to Joey's 17-33) for 280 yards and 2 TD's (Joey threw for 212 yards and 3 TD's).

At any rate, that's not the point. He's a new QB in a new system and he deserves some time to acclimate himself. He also needs the recievers to step up and start coming back to him when he's in trouble, he needs the line to actually block for him, and he needs the coaches to make his job easier by calling plays that make his life easier (3 step drop, quick slants).

Joey Harrington is a terrible quarterback and has never been proven otherwise. He's never completed more than 57% of his passes for goodness sake! Even now, as poorly as he's doing, Duante's completing 59.4% of his passes.

Cleo Lemon would at least offer an unknown element. I can understand people calling for him to start, but Joey freaking Harrington? The guy is terrible! Come on, people...

Come on, People?

Tell me, amigo, what JH have done worse than DC....exactly what would you be afraid of, that we might be 0-2?

DC isn't getting it done. And its not just this year, look back at last year. When is the last time he played well? Right now, the OVERWHELMING evidence is that is normal for him to be substandard and an aberration if he plays well.

And for all of you that say "he didn't have protection", blah, blah, blah.....No way. I will not allow that to stand unchallenged. On his first pass, he couldnt even make a throw with no pressure whatsoever. He looked more like the old Brock Berlin than he did the old Daunte Culpepper.

There will be no excuses for substandard play. Talk radio, the internet, the local media are going to crucify him when he sucks. And right now he does. And he's going to have to deal with the pressure of past performances as well as the general pressure of playing QB in this league. Thats just the way it is. If he can't handle it (and all evidence is that he cannot) he should be benched.

 

[BLITZKRIEG]

Here's the sad part behind all of this.....

Even though Harrington hasn't even played, he still looks better than Culpepper. He looks better, because Culpepper can't get any worse. I haven't given up on Culpepper completely, but he can't afford to have another game like he did on Sunday if he plans on keeping the starting job....

PHINZ RULE!!!!

 

[Coral Reefer]

Cleo Lemon would at least offer an unknown element. I can understand people calling for him to start, but Joey freaking Harrington? The guy is terrible! Come on, people...

:sidelol:

Love this place!
PURE ENTERTAINMENT.

He understands if people called for Lemon to start. :sidelol:

Bring back Brock Berlin!

 

[theFreak41]

First of all, I'm not calling for Cleo Lemon, I'm saying that at least he offers something new. We don't know what he's capable of. Personally, I think we need to stick with Culpepper for a bit longer, because I think he's our best QB.

Second of all, Harrington is crap. He's never done anything in his career to warrant any faith, at all. Completing 57% as your best year is terrible. The guy can't throw straight. I know he had poor recievers, but what did Daunte have last year? He still managed to complete 64.4% of his passes!

Daunte's struggling because their is new personell and their is a terrible offensive line. Say what you want about his years with Moss, even that Moss made him the player he was (which is BS, BTW), but with Moss, he knew who to throw to. Chambers and Booker have been awful to this point. They haven't gotten open.

Wes Welker has been our best reciever, and that's not good...

 

[theFreak41]

Tell me, amigo, what JH have done worse than DC....exactly what would you be afraid of, that we might be 0-2?

No, that we might go 4-12. I think Culpepper makes us a better team than Joey Harrington could do for a high school team.

DC isn't getting it done. And its not just this year, look back at last year. When is the last time he played well? Right now, the OVERWHELMING evidence is that is normal for him to be substandard and an aberration if he plays well.

Oh, this I'd like to hear. Where's the overwhelming evidence? Is it the fact that his career QB rating is 90.9 (2.8 points lower than Peyton Manning's!). Is it the fact that he threw for 4700 yards in one season, to go with 39 touchdowns?

Or maybe, you meant to say that Joey Harrington is the substandard player? Unless you consider a 68.1 QB rating as a positive sign?

And for all of you that say "he didn't have protection", blah, blah, blah.....No way. I will not allow that to stand unchallenged. On his first pass, he couldnt even make a throw with no pressure whatsoever. He looked more like the old Brock Berlin than he did the old Daunte Culpepper.

I'm not denying that he's looked terrible, I'm pointing out that he's had very little support around him.

There will be no excuses for substandard play. Talk radio, the internet, the local media are going to crucify him when he sucks. And right now he does. And he's going to have to deal with the pressure of past performances as well as the general pressure of playing QB in this league. Thats just the way it is. If he can't handle it (and all evidence is that he cannot) he should be benched.

For who?!?!?!?!? Joey FREAKING Harrington?!?!?!?!?! He collapsed when his team mates criticized him, how the hell is he going to handle the fans trashing the hell out of him? The man is a wuss! Jeez, some of you people need to learn a thing or two about who you're supporting...

 

[emocomputerjock]

Ok, quick recap of the situation for you:

Culpepper comes back from a horrible injury. He starts for us. He's not 100% yet. His mechanics are awful, his head isn't in the game, and he doesn't have confidence in himself right now because of the injury.

I could say that this means start Joey, let Daunte practice and gain confidence in his knee and abilities again and get back on the field in his own due time. I could say that Daunte should start because he needs to take the hits, he needs to play to readjust to the speed of the game, he needs to learn how to use his body to the fullest it can be now.

Then again, I have no idea which option is correct, because they're coaching decisions. Neither side is actually wrong in their reasoning, but there's no way we can know which option is right. I have a funny feeling, however, that come Sunday Daunte will be starting again.

 

[zonk4ever]

give cpep one more week. the game may not even be on tv. we lose to the titans, and cpep stinks, he's out. joey's emotional make-up is fragile, too fragile. we HAVE to beat the mighty, mighty titans.

 

[Butterfrog 2.0]

Right now Daunte IS the starter, and it is probably going to stay that way unless he gets injured or continues to play worse for a long period of time. You don't give up on your "Franchise" QB after 2 games under any circumstances and even though he's not playing too well, he is still better than any QB we've had here since Marino. I had to listen to a ******ed Bills fan at work yesterday talk about how Culpepper was Always a bad QB because he never won a superbowl. Well then by his arguement over 95% of the QB's in the NFL are bad QB's and that includes......Peyton Manning, Jake Delhome, Donavan Mcnabb, Carson Palmer etc..... I'm sorry but some of the arguements against the man are just plain dumb. Dolphins fans want him to fail because they wanted Brees instead and they don't want to be proven wrong, and other fans want him to fail because of how good Miami could be if he didn't.