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where one-dimensional, one-move-having, situational pass rushers

that get rag-dolled in the run game become top 25 picks

. . . . . . welcome


http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/sec/university-of-missouri/article118210233.html


elite feet
http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2017/3/23/15040742/charles-harris

ridiculous upside
http://slantsports.com/nfl/2017-nfl-draft-reviewing-missouri-de-charles-harris/

scheme neutered
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/campus-corner/article147079619.html

attention received
http://www.rockmnation.com/2016/9/1...ouri-defensive-end-double-teams-jordan-harold

teammates untouched
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/sec/university-of-missouri/article147664594.html

worked out draft day
http://fox4kc.com/2017/04/27/kansas...is-prepared-to-hear-name-called-at-nfl-draft/

neighborhood watch
http://www.kshb.com/news/local-news/nfl-watch-party-in-honor-of-lincoln-prep-standout


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you should love it here
 
I don't understand the negativity I've seen on this board towards Harris. The 2 main gripes that I've seen people have with the Harris selection are :
1. He didn't test super well at the combine
And
2. He will (barring injury) be limited to a pass rush specialist role this year, while a Lamp or Rueben Foster at 22 would have supposedly made a bigger impact year 1.
Allow me to address both of these issues.

1. NFL personnel people have a long and illustrious history of buffoonery in passing up great football players because according to some arbitrary metric or algorithm, said players didn't run in a straight line fast enough, didn't jump high enough, or didn't lift a relatively heavy metal rod off of their chests enough times. This has always allowed some lucky team to take advantage of a poor combine showing to steal an outstanding football player far lower in the draft than he should have gone.
Examples of this run from Anquan Boldin to Zach Thomas to Jerry Rice to Vontaze Burfict and the list goes on and on. If you put on the tape, Harris (much like Jerry Rice) plays a hell of a lot faster than he times, and is a passionate, firey beast on the field that loves the game and wants to be one of the greats. I frankly do not give a **** how fast a defensive end can run 40 yards in a straight line in his underwear. It has virtually no bearing on the position and it tells me absolutely nothing about Harris' repertoire of pass rush moves, his work ethic, his love for the game, his functional strength and intensity at his position, or his overall talent level. Harris just needs to improve his technique against the run and he'll be an elite DE in football for at least a decade.

2. So what? You don't draft a kid for what he will do as a rookie, you draft him for his long term outlook for his entire career. Any gm that spends a first rounder on a player over another better player at a position of higher value because mjjiumjjmjjhimimjcmjmicfljhe would (probably) plahzi7jnmighernjmcmmmiijmmhmuihumuy more as a rookie should be instantly ****in fired. Foster was a better prospect than Harris but he had huge red flags, and Harris plays a position of greater value... He obviously plays a position of much greater value than Lamp too. Basically if all of these guys pan out, you take the great end over the great mlb or G.
 
You contradict your own analysis in the links provided!

Thanks for providing proof that Harris has more tricks (rip and swim moves) in his arsenal other than a spin move!!


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Yea we already have a underrated draft prospect on our team that never got drafted by the name of Cam Wake whom is a great example that many of these combine stats are way over rated. Look if/ when we loose Wake and eventually we will sooner than later we better be prepared. Davis was a very smart step in that direction. He might not be the "guy" but at least we are preparing. Also all this talk about Lamp whom fell to the 2nd round should have been our pick is over the top as 32 other teams didn't rate drafting a guard that high.
 
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Superself said:
You contradict your own analysis in the links provided!

Thanks for providing proof that Harris has more tricks (rip and swim moves) in his arsenal other than a spin move!!


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yeah, the "one-move-having" thing didn't make sense...
 
insomnia411 said:
I don't understand the negativity I've seen on this board towards Harris. The 2 main gripes that I've seen people have with the Harris selection are :
1. He didn't test super well at the combine
And
2. He will (barring injury) be limited to a pass rush specialist role this year, while a Lamp or Rueben Foster at 22 would have supposedly made a bigger impact year 1.
Allow me to address both of these issues.

1. NFL personnel people have a long and illustrious history of buffoonery in passing up great football players because according to some arbitrary metric or algorithm, said players didn't run in a straight line fast enough, didn't jump high enough, or didn't lift a relatively heavy metal rod off of their chests enough times. This has always allowed some lucky team to take advantage of a poor combine showing to steal an outstanding football player far lower in the draft than he should have gone.
Examples of this run from Anquan Boldin to Zach Thomas to Jerry Rice to Vontaze Burfict and the list goes on and on. If you put on the tape, Harris (much like Jerry Rice) plays a hell of a lot faster than he times, and is a passionate, firey beast on the field that loves the game and wants to be one of the greats. I frankly do not give a **** how fast a defensive end can run 40 yards in a straight line in his underwear. It has virtually no bearing on the position and it tells me absolutely nothing about Harris' repertoire of pass rush moves, his work ethic, his love for the game, his functional strength and intensity at his position, or his overall talent level. Harris just needs to improve his technique against the run and he'll be an elite DE in football for at least a decade.

2. So what? You don't draft a kid for what he will do as a rookie, you draft him for his long term outlook for his entire career. Any gm that spends a first rounder on a player over another better player at a position of higher value because mjjiumjjmjjhimimjcmjmicfljhe would (probably) plahzi7jnmighernjmcmmmiijmmhmuihumuy more as a rookie should be instantly ****in fired. Foster was a better prospect than Harris but he had huge red flags, and Harris plays a position of greater value... He obviously plays a position of much greater value than Lamp too. Basically if all of these guys pan out, you take the great end over the great mlb or G.
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AMEN

Same goes for Raekwon Macmillan, oh he doesn't have the speed to cover in space or oh he didn't do well at this test at the combine and oh he isnt a 3 down LB...let me ask you this, what teams out there dont take a LB off the field on 3rd downs or obvious passing situations? sorry but unless u take a LB or DL off the field you can't add that 5th DB......I bet that he is more athletic to stay on the field on 3rd downs than Timmons will be this year......

it is not a secret that drafting college atheletes for any sport is NOT an exact science, there will always be huge misses and huge steals..no team will ever have a fullproof plan or strategy that ensures they will 100% of the time draft great or even average players....i feel like this is common sense...with that said, lets calm down and wait untill November to see how all draft picks are playing and maybe we can do an analysis after the first year and again after year 2
 
Yessir said:
Anyone who says Charles Harris has one move is lying their ass off.
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Those are the people who heard what someone else said and are just repeating it.




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Harris is a project. He's got things to learn in the run game and his pass rush needs a better timed bend and a counter move for that filthy spin move he's got. There were higher upside players at that position and some studs at other positions of great need. Not the pick I would have made but oh well.

I also wouldn't have picked Ted ginn Jason Allen Jamal Fletcher John Avery Jared odrick dion Jordan and so on so I won't be silenced by the"they're the experts so atfu" rhetoric.
 
Dsteve said:
Harris is a project. He's got things to learn in the run game and his pass rush needs a better timed bend and a counter move for that filthy spin move he's got. There were higher upside players at that position and some studs at other positions of great need. Not the pick I would have made but oh well.

I also wouldn't have picked Ted ginn Jason Allen Jamal Fletcher John Avery Jared odrick dion Jordan and so on so I won't be silenced by the"they're the experts so atfu" rhetoric.
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Lol and I'd guess that your mock drafts throughout the years are chock full of pro bowlers too huh?

Nobody likes to list the players they missed on.


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If Harris can become 70% of what Wake is I'd be happy.

Yes, he can't defend the run, and I hope he can learn some run defensive techniques, but if he never defends the run (like Wake), he'd still be worth a number one pick. Looking back at Wake's career - he's played like a 1st rounder no doubt.

Falcons fans were about to call Vic Beasley a bust after his first year sack total....then, in Year 2 (last year), he led the league. Give the kid a year or two, to learn some moves, get confident, then we can reevaluate this thing.
 
kcbrown said:
Falcons fans were about to call Vic Beasley a bust after his first year sack total....then, in Year 2 (last year), he led the league. Give the kid a year or two, to learn some moves, get confident, then we can reevaluate this thing.
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Excellent point. Those expecting instant success and pro bowl status in year one are delusional. Very few rookies make that kind of monster impact year one.
 
Dsteve said:
Harris is a project. He's got things to learn in the run game and his pass rush needs a better timed bend and a counter move for that filthy spin move he's got. There were higher upside players at that position and some studs at other positions of great need. Not the pick I would have made but oh well.

I also wouldn't have picked Ted ginn Jason Allen Jamal Fletcher John Avery Jared odrick dion Jordan and so on so I won't be silenced by the"they're the experts so atfu" rhetoric.
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A project because he has one hole in his game? To me, a project is a guy who won't give you anything outside of special teams until further developed, if ever. Harris with this new and improved front 7 can give you 10 sacks right now with the right amount of snaps.

That's not a project. kpassagnon is a project.
 
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