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I again say I am no expert on football. I often go by what in can see on the tv on game days but may not always get it right.

Last night watching Andrew Whitworth get totally beat by Carlos Dunlap for a sack, I was thinking, am I too critical on our o-line many games?

I have seen Eichenberg get beat like that or pushed flat onto the ground, but my gut says that he has been fairly solid for the most part in the last number of games.

Same with Austin Jackson, this guy looked so awful and again for the last few games I have barely noticed him....isn't that a good thing?

Deiter seems to have solidified the middle

Hunt- I am unsure where I am trending with him

Davis- the biggest weak link, but again the only play I really noticed for him in the last while was a great run block that opened up a huge run.

A question I have.....Does it take a few years to have young linemen bulk up and build their strength to be able to compete with veteran, fully physically developed NFL talent?

If so, I think we may have a line coming together and growing and a QB who is getting more pocket aware.

I see that many are very critical of the O-Line and what replacements everywhere. I am just not sure they will be needed and wonder if this line has the talent to grow together and become a solid unit.

I really don't think I can see Davis be a part of this line.....but the other 4, including Jackson.....I hope I can and just wonder again if I am totally off on all this.

Look forward to hearing others thoughts.
 
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Hey BC, my stance on Davis is he’s a back up at best snd his next contract will hopefully reflect that.

One of my very few criticisms of our HC is that he left a bunch of 1st and 2nd year rookies to learn from Davis!!!!

I know many of our family don’t like AJ snd LE but I personally think they’ll both turn out really good players for us,

I apply a logic to this which I apply to myself. How good was I at my job when I first started out compared to where I am now in the industry 21 years later. I laugh at my younger version, I was so flawed. Obviously Jesse is trying to disprove my logic but the rest are proper talents I think
 
Moving Jackson to guard certainly helped and I would say they are playing much better than earlier in the season

Still lots of room for improvement and a top FA tackle next year to replace Davis would be the way to go
 
Yes, look around, there have been many convos.

Liam is our future RT.

Hunt is our best OLineman, at RG.

Deiter appears to be fine at C.

Austin may be the future at LG, or back at LT if he can get it figured out.

So, we either need an LT or an LG depending on Austin.

(At minimum).
 
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Jackson seems to be settling in at guard as does Hunt, they could find homes there For awhile. Eichenberg seems to be playing a little better although there was nowhere to go but up. He needs an off-season of training at least. I would be looking for a center and at least one, probably two tackles this year
 
BC Phins4Life said:
I again say I am no expert on football. I often go by what in can see on the tv on game days but may not always get it right.

Last night watching Andrew Whitworth get totally beat by Carlos Dunlap for a sack, I was thinking, am I too critical on our o-line many games?

I have seen Eichenberg get beat like that or pushed flat onto the ground, but my gut says that he has been fairly solid for the most part in the last number of games.

Same with Austin Jackson, this guy looked so awful and again for the last few games I have barely noticed him....isn't that a good thing?

Deiter seems to have solidified the middle

Hunt- I am unsure where I am trending with him

Davis- the biggest weak link, but again the only play I really noticed for him in the last while was a great run block that opened up a huge run.

A question I have.....Does it take a few years to have young linemen bulk up and build their strength to be able to compete with veteran, ally physically developed NFL talent?

If so, I think we may have a line coming together and growing and a QB who is getting more pocket aware.

I see that many are very critical of the O-Line and what replacements everywhere. I am just not sure they will be needed and wonder if this line has the talent to grow together and become a solid unit.

I really don't think I can see Davis be a part of this line.....but the other 4, including Jackson.....I hope I can and just wonder again if I am totally off on all this.

Look forward to hearing others thoughts.
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Good post BC. My answer is the next three games will tell us as those opponents aren't pushovers like some of our last opponents.
 
I already covered this in a thread but people ignored it. Our sacks allowed since our winning streak are among top 5 in best, not worse. When we keep talking about our offensive line sucking still then we are spreading lies.

Winning Streak:


2.5 sacks texans


4 sacks against ravens


0 sacks against Jets 1st game


2 against panthers


2 against Giants


1 against the Jets




Last 3 games:



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BC Phins4Life said:
I again say I am no expert on football. I often go by what in can see on the tv on game days but may not always get it right.

Last night watching Andrew Whitworth get totally beat by Carlos Dunlap for a sack, I was thinking, am I too critical on our o-line many games?

I have seen Eichenberg get beat like that or pushed flat onto the ground, but my gut says that he has been fairly solid for the most part in the last number of games.

Same with Austin Jackson, this guy looked so awful and again for the last few games I have barely noticed him....isn't that a good thing?

Deiter seems to have solidified the middle

Hunt- I am unsure where I am trending with him

Davis- the biggest weak link, but again the only play I really noticed for him in the last while was a great run block that opened up a huge run.

A question I have.....Does it take a few years to have young linemen bulk up and build their strength to be able to compete with veteran, ally physically developed NFL talent?

If so, I think we may have a line coming together and growing and a QB who is getting more pocket aware.

I see that many are very critical of the O-Line and what replacements everywhere. I am just not sure they will be needed and wonder if this line has the talent to grow together and become a solid unit.

I really don't think I can see Davis be a part of this line.....but the other 4, including Jackson.....I hope I can and just wonder again if I am totally off on all this.

Look forward to hearing others thoughts.
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Improved- maybe
Good- Nope
 
juniorseau55 said:
I already covered this in a thread but people ignored it. Our sacks allowed since our winning streak are among top 5 in best, not worse. When we keep talking about our offensive line sucking still then we are spreading lies.

Winning Streak:


2.5 sacks texans


4 sacks against ravens


0 sacks against Jets 1st game


2 against panthers


2 against Giants


1 against the Jets




Last 3 games:



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Sorry, I did not see your post or forgot
glad you added some stats here, as I am too lazy to look or don't know where to look

@Fin-Loco, I fully agree we have a test upcoming, crossing my fingers that we pass it with high grades

Glad to hear others think we have some solid prospects and really haven't dropped the ball that much in drafts not including the most recent.
 
They have improved however, some of that could be match-up based. It is a much needed growth heading into a pivotal 3 game stretch that may change the course of many careers in the coaching and front office.
 
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