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Have faith in Philbin/Sherman, if we draft Tannehill that means they believe in him

DolfanDuBbZ~ said:
This pick will determine if Philbin is another Cam Cameron or the next big thing IN MIAMI. It is that simple. I personally like the Philbin pick as HC, but Sherman is tainted. He failed at TAM and he did it with Tannehill.
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Tannehill is still the 3rd best QB in the draft after Luck and RGIII. Maybe he failed by NOT meeting expectations, but in other areas, I would not call this a failure..
 
Have faith in Philbin/Sherman, if we draft Tannehill that means they believe in him


IMHO ... that's all imaginary logic. You can read anything into anything to support your views.

Even if it were true ... the odds of the 3rd QB drafted becoming a Franchise QB are loooooong. Heck, Sherman's already been fired by the NFL & College for not "getting 'er done", as have most coaches.

IMHO ... it will be much simpler ... they'll look at best available & if they don't have a clear stud choice ... they may gamble Tannehill, as the pressure to draft a QB is huge.

I seriously doubt anyone in the NFL is sold on Tannehill being a sure-fire Franchise QB (like the other 2) ... but many figure he's worth a gamble, BUT at what price??? ... TOP 10 is a steep price to pay!!
 
JerryD said:
Have faith in Philbin/Sherman, if we draft Tannehill that means they believe in him


IMHO ... that's all imaginary logic. You can read anything into anything to support your views.

Even if it were true ... the odds of the 3rd QB drafted becoming a Franchise QB are loooooong. Heck, Sherman's already been fired by the NFL & College for not "getting 'er done", as have most coaches.

IMHO ... it will be much simpler ... they'll look at best available & if they don't have a clear stud choice ... they may gamble Tannehill, as the pressure to draft a QB is huge.

I seriously doubt anyone in the NFL is sold on Tannehill being a sure-fire Franchise QB (like the other 2) ... but many figure he's worth a gamble, BUT at what price??? ... TOP 10 is a steep price to pay!!
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There is no such thing as a 'sure-fire franchise QB' and that includes Luck and RG III. This has been discussed ad nauseum on other threads.
Getting an Elway, Manning, Aikman requires BOTH timing and luck. You have to be really lousy the right year.
Picking at 8 isn't the same as 1st overall pick and the odds of the Phins gettng a 1st overall pick the next time a highly regarded QB prospect comes along is very low. Therefore, you have to take a chance on the Flacco's, Roethlisbergers of the world and in this draft, that is Tannehill.
 
The biggest problem with drafting him is the #8. Most draftnicks think 8 is too high and I think other teams are playing games to force our hand. I'd like to see us take Coples and then trade back in to the 1st and take him later (ahead of KC) even if it costs us a mint to get him (we need help for Wake right away). If he's taken before that, somebody else has to face the heat for a QB that still has to learn the 'game'. Our guy's have had a gracious plenty of that. The 'experts' say he needs to sit a year and we need too many other players to get over the top. JMHO on this.
 
thesparanos13 said:
The idea of drafting Ryan Tannehill on this forum is pretty polarizing. Some of us want to stay at #8 at take him, some of us wanna move up for him, some of us wanna stay at 8 and take coples, ingram, floyd, and some of us want to trade down and possibly select weeden/cousins/osweiler later in the draft. But whatever happens, I urge you all to just let the process play out. Philbin and Sherman both know quarterbacks and have been around some pretty good one's in their career's like Favre, Rodgers. So if we do take Tannehill that means both Sherman and Philbin believe in the kid, that means they both believe he can be a Franchise QB and carry the organization on his back. Sherman knows the kid more than anybody, he knows his work ethic, practice habits, how he studies film, how he interacts with his teammates, is he a leader? can he command a lockerooom? Sherman knows the answer to all these questions. So if we don't take Tannehill that means they both do not believe he can develop into a franchise QB, but if we do that means they believe in this kid. We all know Tanny will have to sit for a year and develop but he has tremendous upside, kid ran a 4.58/40, can make all the throws, has good size, accurate, he is dynamic.

All I know is this decision will decide Philbin's career, he knows that his success will ride on the QB he chooses, this is a very serious decision for Philbin, if he takes Tannehill than I'm all for it because I put my trust in Philbin, if we move up for him I wont be too happy but that means Ireland/Philbin/Sherman Identified their guy and went and got him. The Giants gave up picks for Manning and how did that turnout 2 Superbowl's later. If Tannehill develops into the QB that Mayock, McShay, Cossell, and Polian all say he can be, then in a couple years nobody will care about the picks we gave up if we finally have our "Franchise QB". So like I said, let it play out, if we take the kid then that means Sherman and Philbin believe in him, if we don't, that means they don't believe in him and we move on, but I have faith.
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Exactly....I care far more about what Mike Sherman thinks of Tannehill than the opinion of any paid or amatuer draft expert.


I vividly remember being in a big minority on this board that wanted Aaron Rogers over Ronnie Brown in 2005......how did that work out?

So I really don't care what the Anti-Tannehill crowd thinks on this subject, because as you say, if they draft him you know its because they really like him....and nobody knows him better.
 
josekareh said:
The team is making the pick.. The have 5 hour meetings on a daily basis for a reason. This is a team effort..
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No way. That's not the way any Draft Rooms work that I've ever heard of. Never really heard any team-effort Draft rooms in the NFL ... although everyone pays lip service to it.

One person is in charge & makes the decisions, PERIOD. Of course he listens to opinions & all help Grade ... but that's NOT a Team effort.

Ireland makes our decisions, PERIOD. He can over-rule anyone one & any opinion & any fact, PERIOD!!

Some notable examples: That meddler Jethro Jones makes the Dallas decisions. Matt Millen made them in Detroit. Al Davis in Oakland. Tuna spewed teamwork, then drafted Pat White!! lol Ton more of examples, too!!
 
jlfin said:
There is no such thing as a 'sure-fire franchise QB' and that includes Luck and RG III. This has been discussed ad nauseum on other threads.
Getting an Elway, Manning, Aikman requires BOTH timing and luck. You have to be really lousy the right year.
Picking at 8 isn't the same as 1st overall pick and the odds of the Phins gettng a 1st overall pick the next time a highly regarded QB prospect comes along is very low. Therefore, you have to take a chance on the Flacco's, Roethlisbergers of the world and in this draft, that is Tannehill.
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Agree totally with this. There is no way Sherman, Philbin, Ireland or anyone else knows if Tannehill will be a franchise QB, never mind anyone else. I remember reading that Billick said Jamarcus Russell was the highest rated player they ever rated when in Baltimore. He may have totally stunk it up in Oakland, but had he ended up in Baltimore who knows how he would have ended up.
 
JerryD said:
No way. That's not the way any Draft Rooms work that I've ever heard of. Never really heard any team-effort Draft rooms in the NFL ... although everyone pays lip service to it.

One person is in charge & makes the decisions, PERIOD. Of course he listens to opinions & all help Grade ... but that's NOT a Team effort.

Ireland makes our decisions, PERIOD. He can over-rule anyone one & any opinion & any fact, PERIOD!!

Some notable examples: That meddler Jethro Jones makes the Dallas decisions. Matt Millen made them in Detroit. Al Davis in Oakland. Tuna spewed teamwork, then drafted Pat White!! lol Ton more of examples, too!!
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I think it is a team effort right up until draft day. The coaches, scouts and Ireland come to a score on each player and Ireland uses it to decide who to draft. If they have Tannehill highly scored by Philbin and co then there is a good chance he gets drafted at 8 if he is there. But tbh I don't know much on the process, but that's how I understand it.
 
I worry more about Miami's chance at taking Tannehill than whether they like him or not. Evey year for the past 5 it seems the same trend is followed, 1 to 3 Qb's are highly touted and then a few weeks before the draft 2 to 3 second rounders are shoved up the big board by the talking heads.

Then suddenly a team who is on the fence about an incumbent QB decides to overshoot and draft a QB way ahead of their projected landing spot which sets off a **** storm of panic for every other team who wanted a QB at a reasonable rate driving up all the stock, save that one lonely QB that drops to the later rounds because of who knows why.

So in summary two teams get starters and four teams get backups at starter prices. Now I am not saying Tannehill is a backup but I don't Miami to have to trade up to get him either, if they want him at 8th, I'm OK with that.
 
andyahs said:
We tried this approach with Matt Flynn but Ireland got blasted because we 'low-balled' a two game starter.
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It gets worse....after Manning and then Flynn, now the media is setting up Miami to be ridiculed when we pass on Tannehill.
 
Elle Clouds said:
I remember past regimes believing in Chad Henne, Pat White, Jason Allen, Eddie Moore and Ted Ginn. At this point, I want a proven player and bpa.
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That's the thing. When you're drafting in the top 10 of the first round, you have to hit on your picks. If you don't, you risk destroying your entire draft. Even if you hit on a 5th rounder, you'll always look back and wonder how much better could your team have been if you had hit on that top 10 pick also.

As much as most of us want to see resources being given to the QB problem, we have to be realistic. Simply saying "we'll find one in the draft" only makes us feel better about losing out on Peyton, then Flynn, then even Alex Smith. At that point, it didn't matter who player X was. If he played QB and we wanted him and missed, the taste of failure is still one that is decades old.

The fact is the draft has 2 1st round QBs and a couple of 2nd round QBs. But teams in need or GMs desperate to make a splash will reach and inflate the risk/reward of Tannehill and Weeden during the draft. These 2 guys started out as 2nd round possibilities on most draft experts boards after the season was over.

Yet, a few combines and pro days later and these guys are suddenly 1st round material. What could they possible show out of pads that is more important than what they did in them? Did Weeden get younger? Did Tannehill look better with no defenders rushing him in passing drills that he did with them in a game at the college level?

And this Brandon Weeden buzz reeks of desparation. This kid will be 29 in October. He has learning to do. Do you want a 30 or 31 year old QB who's starting to round out into shape? And might hit his stride a few years later? Chris Weinke failed for several reasons. But he was on such a short time table that he wsn't afforded the same window of opportunity as other QBs.

Weeden is a stop gap and Tannehill needs time to learn. Both spell 2nd round.

We need impact players in the top 10. We can't afford to miss on these.
 
You have two of the best offensive minds in the NFL...if we pick the guy,I don't think they will.allow him to bust
 
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