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Have rule changes skewed the game too much?

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Watching the Giants-Cowboys finish, I can't help but wonder why we appear to be witnessing more games where teams that lose the TO battle still win the game. Take last year's SB - Seattle won the TO battle and outrushed the Pats massively. Feels like more and more, how many yards you rush for, how many TOs you get (even when you score points off them) that it carries less weight than it used to in determining the outcome of a game. The game is so pass-heavy I don't know if the game is better or worse for the changes that have tilted the game in favor of the pass. I'm not change-resistant but I think the sport was more interesting when balance mattered. Curious how others see this?
 
It's got more mass appeal, but the game is headed in a bad direction. A correction is coming as college QBs are becoming more and more run based. The age of the pocket passer may be coming to an end.

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It's got more mass appeal, but the game is headed in a bad direction. A correction is coming as college QBs are becoming more and more run based. The age of the pocket passer may be coming to an end.

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If by "run based" you mean guys like RG3, then i strongly disagree.

The last "running quarterback" to win a Superbowl was Steve Young. And that was only after he developed into an MVP passer.
Running quarterbacks have always been a fad. People, perhaps, became more feverish about it in recent history, but like in the past its pretty much died down again. Michael Vick was supposed to revolutionize the NFL and won 2 playoff games. Vince Young was supposed to be the next great quarterback and is remembered more for his idiotic Dream Team declaration then his play. The final nail in the coffin just went into RG3's Washington career. And Johnny Manziel? Oh Johnny Manziel...

The only one who is considered a franchise quarterback is Cam Newton. And the Panthers have actively demanded he play from the pocket. Of course Newton is considered a bust to most of this forum, so theres that.

One might point out that Marcus Mariota and Jameis Winston are running quarterbacks but id disagree. If this preseason and week 1 are any indication, then Whisenhunt(a man who historically covets pocket passers) is going to force Mariota to win games with his arm. And Winston was most definitely a pocket passer, it might just appear like he runs because his offensive lines have been complete and utter **** of late.

As long as there is an NFL, the "run first" quarterback fad will never truly die. At some point someone, somewhere, will make some dazzling plays with his legs that will look absolutely brilliant in a highlight reel and send a jolt down coaches spines. And once the drool is mopped up, the losses start piling, and their seats become warm, the coach who bent heaven and earth to draft this phenom will discover they really didn't "figure it out" this time and the only way they can win is by throwing it.


Anyways, as far as the OP's question is concerned, consider this: while the league has undoubtedly changed, and to some(myself included) those changes are often seen as negatives, this might be the only way there is football period. Concussions aren't going away anytime soon. While most of the rule adjustment are absolutely about sensationalism, they've also made it easier to cultivate safety rules. Its easier to avoid hitting someone in the head in the open field then it is in the middle of a pile. It will continue to be this way until medical science finds a cure to CTE or someone creates a concussion proof helmet.
 
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It's got more mass appeal, but the game is headed in a bad direction. A correction is coming as college QBs are becoming more and more run based. The age of the pocket passer may be coming to an end.

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i disagree.... college is different due to the talent and talent levels so spread out and vast... differnet type of game.

in the NFL pocket passers will always be extremely important. if the QBs are taking the hits, dont expect those type of QBs to ever last in the NFL.


now i am not saying it isnt good to have a QB that can scramble, because it is a necessity i think, a great ability to have, and make plays, keep defenses honest and focused on the QB more. Look at Big Ben... he can make plays with his size and ability to escape. Tannehill has a great ability to scramble if needed for our running game, he had a nice run on a read play.... but you dont want to be doing that consistently... we will lose our QB in time.

Kaepernick, Vick, RG3, Manziel, Newton, these are the running style QBs i can think on. but i hope i understood your post correctly too.
 
Good feedback and discussion about the QB position. What about these teams winning games while losing the TO battle and/or rushing for no yardage etc? Should you be able to win being one dimensional? That's where I'm viewing this rule-skewing as having a detrimental impact to how interesting the game is. You can get beat even if you win all three phases of the game, but come 2 min left its a one score game and the other guys go down the field passing every down - like Dallas last night. It just doesn't feel right to me meaning, the team who played better didn't win. And this is becoming too common suggesting something is out of balance to me.
 
To answer the initial question, yes. It has not just skewed the game but is outright biased for the offense.

Case in point, The early MNF game tonight... After the trading of Int's in the late 2nd Q, Philly strips the ball out of Melty's hands, only to be negated by a ticky tack illegal contact call on Alonso.

Don't get me wrong; I like games like the Atl/philly game tonight or even the 38-31 type of games. I'm not wild about 67-56 type games (except when B12 & P12 square off during bowl season). Further, I'd rather watch paint dry or Julia Roberts movie than a 13-9 game (typical Ravens/stealers scrum).

...One might point out that Marcus Mariota and Jameis Winston are running quarterbacks but id disagree. If this preseason and week 1 are any indication, then Whisenhunt(a man who historically covets pocket passers) is going to force Mariota to win games with his arm. And Winston was most definitely a pocket passer, it might just appear like he runs because his offensive lines have been complete and utter **** of late.


As long as there is an NFL, the "run first" quarterback fad will never truly die. At some point someone, somewhere, will make some dazzling plays with his legs that will look absolutely brilliant in a highlight reel and send a jolt down coaches spines. And once the drool is mopped up, the losses start piling, and their seats become warm, the coach who bent heaven and earth to draft this phenom will discover they really didn't "figure it out" this time and the only way they can win is by throwing it.

I agree 100% w/ spesh and would like to add that Favre drove Holmgren nuts w/ his antics; the Pack did not achieve success until BF "calmed down" The same can be said for Elway & the donkeys

Historically speaking, The NFL really did not take off until the forward pass became en vogue.

MM & JW are mobile QB's as is Ryan and it helps keep the D honest.

Look at Kaepernick in the new system in SF; the transition will take time but he has outlasted Tebow and will probably outlast Bob in DC too. Honestly, Kaepernick isn't all that great.

Types like Marino, Peyton, Montana, Luck, Kelly, & the deflater in Foxboro will always be the prototypical QB's.
 
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I think Bob Griese only threw it about 14 times in our SB win over the Skins. I love passing, but I grew up watching the great RB's of the 70's and 80's. Needs to be more balanced.
 
And now for some irony....

Harbaugh ran a college type system in SF. Since going back to Ann Arbor, Capt Comeback employs a pro style system.
 
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