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One thing that worries me in a search for a head coach is locking into a guys who is propped up artificially by a star QB.

Hey, who is looking good because he IS good? Patrick Maholmes has the ability to make an OC look better than he really is. Like Manning did with Gase.

It’s only when the tide goes out can you see who has been swimming naked.

Thoughts..?
 
That is a great question- how would Shula's tenure have looked from 1983 on if he hadn't drafted Marino?
Now, Shula is a great coach, but man would it have been different.
In the case of Mahomes and Andy Reid, Reid is awesome at developing QB's- he has made plenty of backup QB scum look good, and then trade them(cough AJ Feeley, cough) among some others in there. I also think he made McNabb better- that drop off when McNabb went to Washington was precipitous. Plus Reid has a lot of history to draw from; but what about McCarthey? How would he have faired without Rodgers? Tomlin without Roethlisberger?
I think McCarthey is a guy to stay away from- just for this reason. I don't know about the other re-treads we might be looking at, but it is a question that merits being asked.
 
Track record of winning, developing quarterbacks, strong defenses, and assembling and promoting staffs.

Has to be essentially an offensive guy because he will have to manage time of possession, limit turnovers, keep the ball rolling, and score. Those are crucial aspects. Defensive guys, especially without experience, are lost on that. -- they have no experience with that.

Urban Meyer is an example of winning, developing and playing quarterbacks who overperform, has strong defense, and staffs.
 
LargoFin said:
Track record of winning, developing quarterbacks, strong defenses, and assembling and promoting staffs.

Has to be essentially an offensive guy because he will have to manage time of possession, limit turnovers, keep the ball rolling, and score. Those are crucial aspects. Defensive guys, especially without experience, are lost on that. -- they have no experience with that.

Urban Meyer is an example of winning, developing and playing quarterbacks who overperform, has strong defense, and staffs.
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I'm not sure if you brought up urban bc you are interested in him for the job, but urban won't be coaching again

I don't think most people know this bc they just lump it into his little dance he did at Florida to get out of there, but urban actually has a cyst growing on his brain and its affecting him greatly. He went against all advice to retire mid season, which honestly was kinda dumb but hey it's over now. Urban has a serious health issue and he won't be coaching anywhere in the near future, and it's very likely he'll never work a high stress job again - especially coaching
 
Bopkin02 said:
That is a great question- how would Shula's tenure have looked from 1983 on if he hadn't drafted Marino?
Now, Shula is a great coach, but man would it have been different.
In the case of Mahomes and Andy Reid, Reid is awesome at developing QB's- he has made plenty of backup QB scum look good, and then trade them(cough AJ Feeley, cough) among some others in there. I also think he made McNabb better- that drop off when McNabb went to Washington was precipitous. Plus Reid has a lot of history to draw from; but what about McCarthey? How would he have faired without Rodgers? Tomlin without Roethlisberger?
I think McCarthey is a guy to stay away from- just for this reason. I don't know about the other re-treads we might be looking at, but it is a question that merits being asked.
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Especially true since after pick 27 in 1983, not very many good Qb's were drafted until Troy Aikman in 1989. Less than a handful and some took YEARS to develop! The list (or lack thereof) is quite shocking actually.

http://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/positions/qb
 
LargoFin said:
Shula went to SB with Woodley.
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In the 7-2 season
We were 27th in passing attempts out of 28 teams
27th in passing yards out of 28 teams
23rd in passing tds

1st in rush attempts
3rd in rushing yards
8th in rushing tds

Our pass defense wasn't bad
1st in pass attempts
1st in passing yards
2nd in least amount of passing tds allowed
1st in interceptions

We made the superbowl in spite of Woodley
 
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Doesn't seem like people posting in this thread know about Shula's history before Dan Marino.

The man took two different teams to the Super Bowl, went to 5 SBs, won 2 of them, in 18 years before Marino had one losing season, had thirteen seasons of 10 or more wins, went 17-0 and still stands as the only perfect season.

I think Shula would have been just fine without Marino.
 
Eesti said:
Especially true since after pick 27 in 1983, not very many good Qb's were drafted until Troy Aikman in 1989. Less than a handful and some took YEARS to develop! The list (or lack thereof) is quite shocking actually.

http://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/positions/qb
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I don't know of anyone that was as huge of a "Record Dan" fan as I was but Shula/Fins may have won another super bowl or more if they hadn't lucked into getting Marino. Some of those qbs on that list won the big one or had respectable careers.
Of course with Dan on another team that might have kept fins from getting there or winning it all. We'll never know and kinda fun to think about/discuss and it sure was fun watching him fling the ball all over and almost never feeling like we didn't have a shot. Maybe some players/coaches/scouts/defense etc. didn't do all they could, maybe unconsciously, because we had a hall of famer to bail us out or get most of the credit. JMO
 
I couldn’t agree more with you on Bieniemy.

That has such a huge potential to be fool’s gold. If he was the OC during Alex Smith’s run last year I’d say sure maybe this success can be attributed to his role. But he was not. He also works under a brilliant offensive mind in Reid.

Hard pass, stay away.
 
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Proven, experienced leader of grown arse men.
 
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