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Hello Mike Shula! Am I wrong?

KB21 said:
For accuracy purposes, Mike took over a program that was hammered by NCAA sanctions. The first two recruiting classes he inherited had an average star rating of 2.4 stars. Alabama had scholarship limits at the time, could play in post season, and also wasn't getting a piece of the SEC pie.

Mike still went 10-2 in his 3rd year at Alabama. In his final year, he went 6-6. Guess what. Nick Saban came in the year after that and went 7-6 and lost to Louisiana Monroe.

So, this idea that he had unlimited resources at Alabama is not accurate.



Mike was 26-23 at Alabama with probation restrictions against SEC competition. Jim Harbaugh was 29-21 at Stanford against Pac 10 competition, but everyone wanted him when Stephen Ross treked across the country in an attempt to woo him to Miami before firing his existing coach.
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Is this the KB21 that went Miss St?If it is "Hi"..if not,I apologize.
But Mike Shula was given EVERYTHING to succeed at Bama.We loved him,but he was/is a horrible head coach.
Alabama was even going to hire Don as a advisor to Mike to help him out...Mike refused.
All Mike had to do was replace Dave Rader as O.C.
Mike aligned hisself with a pariah at Bama "Ray freaking Perkins.
Perkins was using his influence on Mike to help hisself get in line for the AD job.
Lee Roy Jordan begged Mike to listen to his dad and not Ray...Mike said Ray knows more about
college ball than my dad.
The dye was cast then.
Ray told Mike to hold his ground,said Bama wouldn't dare fire him because of all the crap Bama had been thru with
coaches and nobody else would take the job.
Back door channels let it be known that Nick wanted and would take the Bama job.He just wouldn't commit til
the end of the season.This scared the Board of Trustees....They wanted a commitment now...hence how the RichRod situation
came about.
Mal went to Rich with a lowball offer and told him,he wasn't the first or second choice...Rich eventually declines the job,setting up
Nick to Alabama.
It took Nick two years to get rid of the thugs that Mike had brought in...Mike never beat Auburn...that doesn't happen at Bama...ask
Bill Curry..
Sorry,but don't let the last name fool you...Mike is a great guy,had a English class with him in 84,but he is a horrible head coach.
 
Let's say he was ready to be a HC- could you imagine the pressure of trying to succeed in Miami where his father is a legend? Don was a very special person in the history of the league, it's not an insult that his sons aren't as good as he was(as great as he was). Mike seems to have found a nice role as an assistant. Some guys aren't meant to be HCs.
 
Yes, I am from Mississippi State.

With all due respect, I always laugh when folks say someone was a horrible coach when he wins 10 games with mediocre talent. Mike did not have the support not the resources that Nick Saban has at Alabama. Again, Alabama was under probation that started in 2002, had a two year post season ban and lost a total of 21 scholarships over 3 years. The first year that Mike was even able to have a full recruiting class was 2005. In fact, Nick's first NC at Alabama was build on players Mike recruited like Andre Smith, Justin Woodall, Brandon Deadrick, Greg McElroy, and Javier Arenas. I challenge you to find any coach that would have won at Alabama with 21 fewer scholarships over a 3 year period and had to recruit with the loom of a 2 year bowl ban over your head. I disagree with Alabama fans when they say Mike was a horrible coach. Alabama's expected F\+ was always lower than their actual F\+ during Mike's career there. In fact, I think in Mike's last year, he was something like 0.2 standard deviations above the mean for what was expected based on Alabama's talent level at that time.

You want to see what bad coaching would have done at Alabama, take a look at the job Sylvester Croom did at Mississippi State. We consistently underachieved compared to our talent under Sly with the exception of the 2007 season. Mike did not underachieve at Alabama. In fact, when he took the job, Alabama hadn't been to a bowl game in 2 years.
 
Hey buddy..long time no hear from....we use to talk back and forth on a old Dolphin forum.(the old Sporting News Dolphins forum,I think,it's been a long time)
But your not really wrong in some of the things,you brought up..But NO...Mike is a bad head coach....he would lose games with the talent that Nick has gathered.
When your Defensive C. (Joe Kines)tells you,the head coach,in front of all the players,to get the F*** out of our meetings ,cause you don't know what the hell you are
doing,there is a problem.
Mike couldn't handle anything,media,booster,alumn,...they all pushed Mike around.
Aligning hisself with Ray Perkins was the worst thing he could have done.
But,Ray was Mike's only connection to the college game...
Mike is where he is best at..the pro game,but not the head coach...He just doesn't have that "it"
that says "I'm a leader of men"
I hope the best for Mike's career...just don't want him back at Bama or with Miami.
 
iamtiv said:
I guess having Cam as your QB can make you look good, especially when he's grown and gotten better at avoiding some turnovers like his first 2 years.
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You can blame Cam's improved play on Ken Dorsey their QB coach and former QB of the University of Miami. He basically spent his entire NFL career as the 3rd string/QB coach of every team he's been on he just made it official and became a full fledged coach this year. Dorsey is on the fast track and I think he'll be an OC somewhere within the next 3 or 4 years.
 
Clipse said:
Dude failed as a head coach at Alabama of all places where he had unlimited resources, and I'm supposed to believe he's gotten good enough to coach a bad NFL team? :lol:

I don't care what his last name is. No. God no.
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unlimited resources. You do realize he coached Alabama when they were on probation.
 
Clipse said:
Dude failed as a head coach at Alabama of all places where he had unlimited resources, and I'm supposed to believe he's gotten good enough to coach a bad NFL team? :lol:

I don't care what his last name is. No. God no.
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He was just setting things up for his successor, Nick Saban to look good.
I also don't think that he's good enough. But it is interesting to note that he is finally having some success as a coach. Cam Newton's talent might have something to do with it too.
 
that was dave shula in cinci.......i dont know if mike is head coach material but i do know that philbin is an absolute joke of a head coach and should be fired a tenth of a second after the final game of the season.
 
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