Help Me Tannehill Supporters

[SSnowman]

Would you take Matt Ryan on the Dolphins right now over Tannehill?

Man I wish we could bash our qb for not winning enough playoff games and going 13-3 winning the division and having multiple playoff appearances, and a few yards from a conference championship game!! I would take that in a heart beat.

After 4 years of getting rocked in the playoffs, most people here would still be screaming to draft a new QB.

 

[Wallace17Miami]

There was nothing wrong with that assessment, unless you are a hater. Unlike the haters, people who support Tannehill don't feel the need to make redundant posts. Instead, many have given a thumbs up to the first post that spelled out how many of us feel.

By all means, carry on with the redundant, nonsensical ramblings.....

I've actually never seen a thread from a tannehill supporter, or post alone stating what they see in Tannehill. Other then the threads making excuses for him, which you like to do a lot.

Again.... rolling through page 4 with no real response yet. Great job Tannehill supporters!! Your silence speaks volumes!

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I mocked the OP and I"m not an RT fan by any stretch. The OP deserves mocking because what he's looking for can be found in any number of threads about RT but he apparently needed his own special thread.

Show one.

All I see in threads are excuses.... not what they see in Tannehill. Just excuses as to why he is not a franchise QB yet.

 

[njFinsForever]

Notice how everyone just mocks the OP. And doesn't offer any incite as to what exactly these Tannehill supporters see in him.

Speaks volumes that you guys can't even describe what you see in him. Rather you just mock the OP.

RT's last season in Miami is 2014...... NAILED IT!!

AJ Duhe gave some great incite, but yea the majority of these threads don't have well thought out discussions. Just I bunch of "I was right", "you were wrong", "I told you so" etc...3 games into the season...I think by mid season we'll have a good idea of where tannehill stands. Although it appears coach Philbin is reading this FH board with how he's reacting, what a loser

 

[Wallace17Miami]

AJ Duhe gave some great incite, but yea the majority of these threads don't have well thought out discussions. Just I bunch of "I was right", "you were wrong", "I told you so" etc...3 games into the season...I think by mid season we'll have a good idea of where tannehill stands. Although it appears coach Philbin is reading this FH board with how he's reacting, what a loser

I missed his response... thanks!

I agree with your comment on how the threads tend to go though.

 

[JTC111]

Show one.

All I see in threads are excuses.... not what they see in Tannehill. Just excuses as to why he is not a franchise QB yet.

And if I show you a thread where someone says what they like about RT, you'll shut up on the subject?

 

[Dolphins7273]

He was drafted by Jeff Ireland, so he has to be good.

 

[Wallace17Miami]

Walt, I'm going to try to give you an honest answer. I'll probably get flamed for it, but I'm going to try anyway.

You said that Tannehill has given "no indication that he's figured out the mental part of the game". I would disagree. When the coaches and analysts talk about Tannehill, most of them agree that he's not making completely boneheaded decisions with the football. For the most part, he's not throwing into coverages he shouldn't. A good example is the interception he threw against the Patriots when he tried to hit Wallace late on the deep post over the middle. Tannehill came off his primary and saw Wallace clearly, but he never set his feet correctly and instead of leading Wallace on the throw, the ball drifted on him and was picked. I see a quarterback who has the mental capacity to grasp the offense and knows decisively where he wants to go with the ball on his 2nd and even 3rd reads.

Here is where I agree with your assessment. Tannehill's accuracy is not where it should be at this point. There was mention this offseason that Lazor was working with him to improve his foot placement, and I have a feeling this work has continued into the regular season. Maybe it's because he hasn't had as many reps as other top quarterbacks, but there is something in his footwork that makes him inconsistent. On shorter throws, he often gets away with it because there is more margin for error. On the deep throws, his margin for error is smaller and this is why he misses the connection. Tannehill also needs to improve his movement in the pocket. Right now, he's just not very good at sliding around and resetting his feet. Contrary to popular belief, pocket movement can be learned.

I still have hope for this reason. Mechanically, there is nothing wrong with Tannehill. He has a gun. He has no hitch. Among current NFL starters, he's also probably in the top 5 in terms of athleticism. If he gets his feet right, I think you will see his accuracy improve dramatically. I think Tannehill has the same problem that I have in my golf swing. He can see what he's doing wrong on film, but he can't feel it consistently under fire. If he can ingrain the good feeling so it becomes second nature, he will likely have the problem corrected long-term. That said...time is running out. It better be clicking by mid-season.

Not a bad assessment. I would agree he doesn't make many bonehead decisions.

But I do not think he has a handle on the game. I think he is easily fooled into checking down, and can't read coverage.

I also don't think saying he is a great athlete is something to look for in a QB. There are two great QB's that I would not consider great athletes.... Brady and Manning. You aren't looking for a super athletic guy for the QB position unless you are looking to run an offense like the seahawks. You are looking for a guy that can read defense & is very accurate with pocket awareness.

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And if I show you a thread where someone says what they like about RT, you'll shut up on the subject?

no.

 

[JTC111]

no.

I didn't think so.

But I'll show you one anyway.
2nd post in this thread:
http://www.finheaven.com/showthread.php?358027-Why-Not-Rol-Thill-Out&p=1065172061#post1065172061

This is my number one beef with the offensive system so far this year. I hated when it was not a staple the last two years and just assumed it would be incorporated this year. He is too good and throwing on the run to not use it. Look at the pass to Wallace 40 plus yards on the move that should have been caught for a TD in the first game.

There you go. Someone saying what they like about RT in a thread about RT. The OP can find what he wants all over the place. He's just too lazy to read the threads that are already there.

 

[Trucanes99]

Walt, I'm going to try to give you an honest answer. I'll probably get flamed for it, but I'm going to try anyway.

You said that Tannehill has given "no indication that he's figured out the mental part of the game". I would disagree. When the coaches and analysts talk about Tannehill, most of them agree that he's not making completely boneheaded decisions with the football. For the most part, he's not throwing into coverages he shouldn't. A good example is the interception he threw against the Patriots when he tried to hit Wallace late on the deep post over the middle. Tannehill came off his primary and saw Wallace clearly, but he never set his feet correctly and instead of leading Wallace on the throw, the ball drifted on him and was picked. I see a quarterback who has the mental capacity to grasp the offense and knows decisively where he wants to go with the ball on his 2nd and even 3rd reads.

Here is where I agree with your assessment. Tannehill's accuracy is not where it should be at this point. There was mention this offseason that Lazor was working with him to improve his foot placement, and I have a feeling this work has continued into the regular season. Maybe it's because he hasn't had as many reps as other top quarterbacks, but there is something in his footwork that makes him inconsistent. On shorter throws, he often gets away with it because there is more margin for error. On the deep throws, his margin for error is smaller and this is why he misses the connection. Tannehill also needs to improve his movement in the pocket. Right now, he's just not very good at sliding around and resetting his feet. Contrary to popular belief, pocket movement can be learned.

I still have hope for this reason. Mechanically, there is nothing wrong with Tannehill. He has a gun. He has no hitch. Among current NFL starters, he's also probably in the top 5 in terms of athleticism. If he gets his feet right, I think you will see his accuracy improve dramatically. I think Tannehill has the same problem that I have in my golf swing. He can see what he's doing wrong on film, but he can't feel it consistently under fire. If he can ingrain the good feeling so it becomes second nature, he will likely have the problem corrected long-term. That said...time is running out. It better be clicking by mid-season.

Forget setting his feet... he needs to use his feet A LOT more often. The 2nd and 1 play in the second half of the Chiefs game was the best example of this. Inexplicably, we called a passing play.... tannehill was flushed out of the pocket and instead of running for the first down with a wide open lane in front of him, he decided to throw a ridiculous incomplete pass. He needs to learn when to run because he is more than capable of scrambling. He is trying to do too much with his arm.

 

[Vaark]

Would you take Matt Ryan on the Dolphins right now over Tannehill?

Man I wish we could bash our qb for not winning enough playoff games and going 13-3 winning the division and having multiple playoff appearances, and a few yards from a conference championship game!! I would take that in a heart beat.

yeah, I would but I'd take Flacco who has demonstrated that no big win or go home is too big for him before either of 'em. And certainly Rogers and/or Brees, 2 even bigger bonehead decisions (not coincidentally by the same in over his head defacto GM/HC that WV also thinks can do no wrong).....And I'd sure take 2 elite WRs (one of which was a 1000 yard receiver before Melty arrived) and the GOAT TE who didn't seem to lose a step over what we've had to work with here. The assumption is that Melty would have done well here with the cards he was given; my argument is simply that if he reliably melts under the glare of the biggest spotlight and the clock clicking down with the elite cadre of offensive weapons he has to work with in the playoffs, it's naive to think he'd be successful as a plug and play QB as being the only difference... or that he wouldnt have been drummed out of town before now.

 

[dlockz]

Im not going to get into this Matt Ryan Tannehill debate. Ryan is a very good qb and he has made the Falcons a better team, all good qb's have good weapons. What people forget is that no Qb does it all himself. Marino was the greatest of all time in my book and even that was not good enough to win a superbowl.
Tannehill is not the main problem in Miami but he does need to play better. We don't have a better qb on the roster so we have no choice but see how he plays out this year. I have faith that Tannehill can be a good NFL qb, no faith that Philbin will ever be a good NFL head coach

 

[Spiff]

Walt, I'm going to try to give you an honest answer. I'll probably get flamed for it, but I'm going to try anyway.

You said that Tannehill has given "no indication that he's figured out the mental part of the game". I would disagree. When the coaches and analysts talk about Tannehill, most of them agree that he's not making completely boneheaded decisions with the football. For the most part, he's not throwing into coverages he shouldn't. A good example is the interception he threw against the Patriots when he tried to hit Wallace late on the deep post over the middle. Tannehill came off his primary and saw Wallace clearly, but he never set his feet correctly and instead of leading Wallace on the throw, the ball drifted on him and was picked. I see a quarterback who has the mental capacity to grasp the offense and knows decisively where he wants to go with the ball on his 2nd and even 3rd reads.

Here is where I agree with your assessment. Tannehill's accuracy is not where it should be at this point. There was mention this offseason that Lazor was working with him to improve his foot placement, and I have a feeling this work has continued into the regular season. Maybe it's because he hasn't had as many reps as other top quarterbacks, but there is something in his footwork that makes him inconsistent. On shorter throws, he often gets away with it because there is more margin for error. On the deep throws, his margin for error is smaller and this is why he misses the connection. Tannehill also needs to improve his movement in the pocket. Right now, he's just not very good at sliding around and resetting his feet. Contrary to popular belief, pocket movement can be learned.

I still have hope for this reason. Mechanically, there is nothing wrong with Tannehill. He has a gun. He has no hitch. Among current NFL starters, he's also probably in the top 5 in terms of athleticism. If he gets his feet right, I think you will see his accuracy improve dramatically. I think Tannehill has the same problem that I have in my golf swing. He can see what he's doing wrong on film, but he can't feel it consistently under fire. If he can ingrain the good feeling so it becomes second nature, he will likely have the problem corrected long-term. That said...time is running out. It better be clicking by mid-season.

Exactly. I'd like to add that he looks pretty good when running the no-huddle offense in the two-minute drill. I mentioned in another thread that in the first preseason game against the Falcons, Tannehill played one drive and on all the plays of that drive we snapped the ball with at least 12 seconds left on the play clock (actually 12 was only on one play, the average would be at around 16 seconds left). We never did something like this in the regular season. We even had a delay of game in the Bills game. And I still can't figure why we're not playing faster.

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Im not going to get into this Matt Ryan Tannehill debate. Ryan is a very good qb and he has made the Falcons a better team, all good qb's have good weapons. What people forget is that no Qb does it all himself. Marino was the greatest of all time in my book and even that was not good enough to win a superbowl.
Tannehill is not the main problem in Miami but he does need to play better. We don't have a better qb on the roster so we have no choice but see how he plays out this year. I have faith that Tannehill can be a good NFL qb, no faith that Philbin will ever be a good NFL head coach

I think that Matt Ryan would be the same QB as Ryan Tannehill with Tannehill's offensive line. You saw that last year when the Falcons had a pretty ****ty line.

 

[Sarnics13]

In what way does he have abilities of a big time QB. It's not in arm strength, I guess he has the height?

Struggling in a new offense shouldn't cause you to suddenly become inaccurate.... he's been inaccurate. ESPECIALLY on the deep ball.

I agree with at least if Tannehill falls flat on his face we at least get a high draft pick out of it.

Maybe I am misunderstanding what you're saying.......because among all of his struggles he has shown this season, to say that he doesn't possess Elite arm strength is got to be the most asinine assessment I have ever seen. He has the definition of elite arm strength.

 

[Wallace17Miami]

Forget setting his feet... he needs to use his feet A LOT more often. The 2nd and 1 play in the second half of the Chiefs game was the best example of this. Inexplicably, we called a passing play.... tannehill was flushed out of the pocket and instead of running for the first down with a wide open lane in front of him, he decided to throw a ridiculous incomplete pass. He needs to learn when to run because he is more than capable of scrambling. He is trying to do too much with his arm.

I would love to see him tuck and run, keep the defense honest. He is a good runner.

 

[Fins1971]

Maybe I am misunderstanding what you're saying.......because among all of his struggles he has shown this season, to say that he doesn't possess Elite arm strength is got to be the most asinine assessment I have ever seen. He has the definition of elite arm strength.

Then why are most of his long passes short?