Henne mechanics

[Fish-Head]

Merely an observation not a 'hate Henne' thread at all... I thought it might be fun... Anyone else notice this? When i saw the first pic of Henne on MD.com and in some sigs I was blown away by the position of the ball... Look at the amount of wrist action!!!

I couldn't help but compare it to the man himself... I tried to find a pic in as similar conditions as I could just for fun... You can see that the ball is vertical instead of horizontal and uses much less wrist... In fact most pics of Dan in the throwing motion the laces are down palm is up, opposite to Henne here.

I'm not an expert but I did play the position and was coached in it as well... Our coach at the time who modelled his mechanics on MArino was 'less wrist is more'... less involvement less chances things can go wrong... BUT the guys in my group who used more wrist in their motions threw a much 'hotter' ball with alot more power but a little less accuracy...

Anyone here coach the position and can comment a little more on throwing mechanics???

Having said that I thought I would be fair and include another pic of a guy whose motion compares more favorably to the Henne pic. Not a bad comparison.. lol.

 

[korl68]

Good post.

Had not watched his throwing mechanics that closely before.

 

[Paper Tigers]

Merely an observation not a 'hate Henne' thread at all... I thought it might be fun... Anyone else notice this? When i saw the first pic of Henne on MD.com and in some sigs I was blown away by the position of the ball... Look at the amount of wrist action!!!

I couldn't help but compare it to the man himself... I tried to find a pic in as similar conditions as I could just for fun... You can see that the ball is vertical instead of horizontal and uses much less wrist... In fact most pics of Dan in the throwing motion the laces are down palm is up, opposite to Henne here.

I'm not an expert but I did play the position and was coached in it as well... Our coach at the time who modelled his mechanics on MArino was 'less wrist is more'... less involvement less chances things can go wrong... BUT the guys in my group who used more wrist in their motions threw a much 'hotter' ball with alot more power but a little less accuracy...

Anyone here coach the position and can comment a little more on throwing mechanics???

Having said that I thought I would be fair and include another pic of a guy whose motion compares more favorably to the Henne pic. Not a bad comparison.. lol.

No expert myself but I have heard that his mechanics will need some tweaking for the pro level. Good post

 

[Captain Lou]

No expert myself but I have heard that his mechanics will need some tweaking for the pro level. Good post

I hope Beck wins the starting position, but I think most qbs need some sort of mechanics tweeking in the NFL.

I hope Henne becomes a great player for us. That would be a great problem to have!

 

[Paper Tigers]

I hope Beck wins the starting position, but I think most qbs need some sort of mechanics tweeking in the NFL.

I hope Henne becomes a great player for us. That would be a great problem to have!

Agreed, I still have hope in Beck though, I think he has the attitude and skills to be a great one.

 

[Fish-Head]

I thought it was interesting that the pic I found of Favre and his delivery was similar to Henne as the knocks on Favre early in his career were 'throws too hot and lacks touch'.

The college coach I worked with talked about the involvement of the wrist that though it does add power it slows the motion a little and he favored a quicker release to more power in the throws... He had us study MARINO to death and how economical his throwing motion was. Also talked about more moving parts more things go wrong, kinda like a golf swing...

 

[AZfinfan]

I would think that this is something that coaches would like to change. IMO your more prone to fumble by getting the ball knocked out. Look at Dan's pic again. He can see where his ball is at and less likely for the blind side DE to swat the ball. The long delivery makes me kringe. (Byron Leftwich) that is all I can think about. Then again if that is the way Farve throws then I'll take it. Although he did about everything from a technical stand point wrong. I guess sometimes you just have to wing it.

 

[CitizenSnips]

I would think that this is something that coaches would like to change. IMO your more prone to fumble by getting the ball knocked out. Look at Dan's pic again. He can see where his ball is at and less likely for the blind side DE to swat the ball. The long delivery makes me kringe. (Byron Leftwich) that is all I can think about. Then again if that is the way Farve throws then I'll take it. Although he did about everything from a technical stand point wrong. I guess sometimes you just have to wing it.

Well it just goes to show you howmany throws a QB makes that arent just stand back and chuck. Favre was the king at getting it to the WR at any cost. It's what made him him.

Now Henne is not like Favre in that sense. When the pocket breaks down, so will Henne. Hence building an oline for him first before we put him out there.

 

[Fish-Head]

I would think that this is something that coaches would like to change. IMO your more prone to fumble by getting the ball knocked out. Look at Dan's pic again. He can see where his ball is at and less likely for the blind side DE to swat the ball. The long delivery makes me kringe. (Byron Leftwich) that is all I can think about. Then again if that is the way Farve throws then I'll take it. Although he did about everything from a technical stand point wrong. I guess sometimes you just have to wing it.

I agree the chances of a defender getting his hand in there is a concern... Actually Henne's ball is pointed exactly opposite to how it will leave his hand... AMAZING. If you try that just standing still (not so easy) and watch your wrist you can see how much it is involved in the motion and you can also see the extra power in the throw.

It was interesting to look at Favre as well... You can see when they load the wrist like that, it is actually VERY difficult to take something 'off' the throw which can translate into a lack of touch. You always hear how Favre used to 'break fingers' in practice...

 

[AZfinfan]

I agree the chances of a defender getting his hand in there is a concern... Actually Henne's ball is pointed exactly opposite to how it will leave his hand... AMAZING. If you try that just standing still (not so easy) and watch your wrist you can see how much it is involved in the motion and you can also see the extra power in the throw.

It was interesting to look at Favre as well... You can see when they load the wrist like that, it is actually VERY difficult to take something 'off' the throw which can translate into a lack of touch. You always hear how Favre used to 'break fingers' in practice...

I would imagine if you had a pic of a touch pass he wouldn't be in the same position.

 

[Fish-Head]

I would imagine if you had a pic of a touch pass he wouldn't be in the same position.

Hard to say, maybe yes... And I'm not implying Henne's mechanics are bad... I'm only talking about the tendancies of that throwing motion.

Again when you compare it to Marino's it is interesting... Marino almost always holds the ball vertically or has it with the end pointed downfield, exactly as it will leave his hand. Everyone talks about his 'quick release' but rarely broke it down... We were always told it was really a 'quick wrist'.

 

[Johnny Blaze]

i cant wait for all three qb to fight it out this off season should be very intresting

 

[Awsi Dooger]

The college coach I worked with talked about the involvement of the wrist that though it does add power it slows the motion a little and he favored a quicker release to more power in the throws... He had us study MARINO to death and how economical his throwing motion was. Also talked about more moving parts more things go wrong, kinda like a golf swing...

Extremely similar to a golf swing. In fact, that's the comparison I was going to make, before seeing your post.

Henne has a long delivery, not ideal. Kiper mentioned that during the draft coverage. Ask any golf instructor and they'll tell you they shorten hundreds of swings for every one or two they lengthen.

It's indeed a case of too many moving parts and it probably means Henne is destined not to be extremely accurate. He'll groove at times but will toss in the inexplicable bad throws due to poor mechanics. So prepare to be frustrated. From what I noticed at Michigan, it seems to surface more on short throws, ones he needs to get rid of quickly but the long delivery can throw off his timing. Downfield he seems more natural.

Still, I don't see it as a disqualifying flaw. I've watched guys like Tim Couch in college and thrown him out immediately in terms of top pick NFL legitimacy. With Henne it's more of a regulator.

 

[Mr. Magoo]

It's not a great release, but it's not terrible. He just brings it back too far. It's not low, like Beck's was before this offseason, and it's not a windmill-type motion in the Byron Leftwich/Andre Woodson/Kerry Collins mode. But heck, a quick release isn't everything. Harrington has a pretty fast release, but under pressure his brains turn into egg yolks.

 

[Dorfdad]

I like the LOOK Henne has compare the stare to Marino or Farve and you will see what I mean. It shows the heart of the man. I do not recall Beck showing that Emotion and the team feeds off emotion.

If henne will get in your face and scream at the linemen and has a commanding presence than Im all for him. I think beck is good but he seems timid.