Henne's started 5 games against Top-6 Pass defenses

[burger13]

Tough road early on.

Using QB rating against, Henne has faced 4 of the top-6 pass defenses in his first 5 starts:


1 New Orleans Saints 55.8
2 Buffalo Bills 59.7
3 New York Jets 65.4
4 Indianapolis Colts 70.1
5 Philadelphia Eagles 70.9
6 New England Patriots 75.0

Combined those defenses have posted a 61.8 QB Rating against.

Henne's QB rating over those 5 games? 82.4


Too early to proclaim Henne the next Marino or the next Joey Harrington....but the one thing you can say is he's faced some pretty stiff competition so far.

 

[Oraclepz]

wow.. good stat.

 

[Xeus24]

Wow and thats with the worst Recievers in the League and no TE

 

[Geofferic]

These stats mean nothing until later in the season. It's like saying every team we lost to has at least one win.

 

[skipp2myloo13]

These stats mean nothing until later in the season. It's like saying every team we lost to has at least one win.

What? We lost all of our games to good to great teams. This stat is very telling to how Henne handles pressure as a rookie (first year). Normally QB's dont regress from their first season and if he has looked this good as a reserve, imagine what he can do with a whole season of reading D and preparing to be the starting QB

 

[Pachyderm_Wave]

I think you also have to consider the "Wildcat factor" here....or it's not comparing apples to apples...

Henne is the only QB these defenses are facing that is either hindered/helped by coming off the field in favor of a gimmick package...

Some will argue that Henne is helped by coming off the field....talking to the coach...seeing what the defense is doing etc....

Others will argue that he's hindered by it as it doesn't allow him to get into a rhythm.....less reps with his receivers...etc..

Whether he's hurt or helped by this must first be determined before it's legitimate by comparison....

Two things are evident to me though....I don't think Henne likes coming off the field in favor of the WC.....and he doesn't get any help from his receivers when he is on the field...

I find it impressive that Henne is able to come in and convert 3rd downs as often as he does and not turn the football over...

 

[burger13]

These stats mean nothing until later in the season. It's like saying every team we lost to has at least one win.

We are half way through the season...each of those teams has played 8 games.

and all except the Saints would have even BETTER numbers if you take out what Henne did against them.

 

[burger13]

I think you also have to consider the "Wildcat factor" here....or it's not comparing apples to apples...

Henne is the only QB these defenses are facing that is either hindered/helped by coming off the field in favor of a gimmick package...

Some will argue that Henne is helped by coming off the field....talking to the coach...seeing what the defense is doing etc....

Others will argue that he's hindered by it as it doesn't allow him to get into a rhythm.....less reps with his receivers...etc..

Whether he's hurt or helped by this must first be determined before it's legitimate by comparison....

Two things are evident to me though....I don't think Henne likes coming off the field in favor of the WC.....and he doesn't get any help from his receivers when he is on the field...

I find it impressive that Henne is able to come in and convert 3rd downs as often as he does and not turn the football over...

the Wild Cat factor would be just one of MANY factors to consider....I would contend that the quality (of lack thereof) of his receivers is a bigger factor than coming on and off the field for wild cat plays.

...how much better would his numbers look with 1 or 2 less drops? if teams weren't able to get as much pressure on him? if he had a true deep threat?

too many factors to even pretend that you are considering them all...

stats NEVER tell the whole story....but they keep them anyway.

 

[Pachyderm_Wave]

the Wild Cat factor would be just one of MANY factors to consider....I would contend that the quality (of lack thereof) of his receivers is a bigger factor than coming on and off the field for wild cat plays.

...how much better would his numbers look with 1 or 2 less drops? if teams weren't able to get as much pressure on him? if he had a true deep threat?

too many factors to even pretend that you are considering them all...

stats NEVER tell the whole story....but they keep them anyway.

Absolutely....which is why I don't evaluate QB's by stats...

Henne passes the "eye ball" test to me....and similar to anything tangible that can be measured.....too many factors in this for me to list them all....

I'd rather base my evaluation of Henne's progress based on 60 minutes of quarterback play.....but that may not happen anytime soon...

A quarterback who is asked to score points and manage the game on a full time basis is an entirely different animal than one that is pulled in favor of RB's taking snaps and....well....RB's taking snaps....

 

[JT-forpresident]

I think you also have to consider the "Wildcat factor" here....or it's not comparing apples to apples...

Henne is the only QB these defenses are facing that is either hindered/helped by coming off the field in favor of a gimmick package...

Some will argue that Henne is helped by coming off the field....talking to the coach...seeing what the defense is doing etc....

Others will argue that he's hindered by it as it doesn't allow him to get into a rhythm.....less reps with his receivers...etc..

Whether he's hurt or helped by this must first be determined before it's legitimate by comparison....

Two things are evident to me though....I don't think Henne likes coming off the field in favor of the WC.....and he doesn't get any help from his receivers when he is on the field...

I find it impressive that Henne is able to come in and convert 3rd downs as often as he does and not turn the football over...

gotta agree with all of that...

and i think the wildcat and all the gadget formations are just a temporary solution to
1- gain yardage/ generate points
2- generate interest/ size up the fan base/ make money
while we try to devellop henne and this passing offence (and get a good WR ... !)

with all the talent henne can possibly have (and i think he has a lot), he just can't put it at use with this WR group ... it's ridiculous, cornerbacks face fitzgerald, moss, owens, calvin johnson, andre johnson, steve smith, desean jackson, houshmandzadeh, reggie wayne, santonio holmes, hines ward, santana moss, wes welker, lee evans, roy williams, dwayne bowe, roddy white , the list goes on and on... and when they face miami, they go up against the dreadful camarillo, bess, hartline and ginn...

We need to draft a big time WR next year like bryant or benn ... i know there's elite defensive talent that will be available in the first round (mcclain, spikes, berry, suh, mccoy, cody, hughes, the DE from florida, etc. etc. ) but this offence is going nowhere without a friggin WR

 

[ArmyFin7]

Absolutely....which is why I don't evaluate QB's by stats...

Henne passes the "eye ball" test to me....and similar to anything tangible that can be measured.....too many factors in this for me to list them all....

I'd rather base my evaluation of Henne's progress based on 60 minutes of quarterback play.....but that may not happen anytime soon...

A quarterback who is asked to score points and manage the game on a full time basis is an entirely different animal than one that is pulled in favor of RB's taking snaps and....well....RB's taking snaps....

I have to agree with you. I was never opposed to the WC, but I definately want it gone now...

Works fine as a formation....but we have gotten WAY to dependent on it. A team stops the WC, we immediately go to the air...playing to our weakness and most of the defenses we've played strengths.

If a team stops the WC, throw something else at them that havn't seen much of from us...try an I-formation!!!!

 

[PeepinTom]

Absolutely....which is why I don't evaluate QB's by stats...

Henne passes the "eye ball" test to me....and similar to anything tangible that can be measured.....too many factors in this for me to list them all....

I'd rather base my evaluation of Henne's progress based on 60 minutes of quarterback play.....but that may not happen anytime soon...

A quarterback who is asked to score points and manage the game on a full time basis is an entirely different animal than one that is pulled in favor of RB's taking snaps and....well....RB's taking snaps....

I agree with other "factors" to see if Henne is a quality qb but the wildcat is a running package period. All it does is take the qb out of the factor on the handoff. We have passed three maybe four times out of it. If we didn't have the wildcat, Henne would be handing the ball off on 90-95% of those plays anyways.

 

[Pachyderm_Wave]

I agree with other "factors" to see if Henne is a quality qb but the wildcat is a running package period. All it does is take the qb out of the factor on the handoff. We have passed three maybe four times out of it. If we didn't have the wildcat, Henne would be handing the ball off on 90-95% of those plays anyways.

Precisely.....and defenses know the WC is a running package period....same as we do....

The threat of the pass is minimum at best....

I'd rather see Henne in there learning to check out of a passing play and just "hand it off".....if the end result is going to be a hand off anyway...

Or vice versa....check out of a bad running play into a quick 3 step drop....get the ball out on a quick slant..etc..

Personally, I'm not a huge fan of what they're asking Henne to do....

I'd rather see him have to clean up his own mess on 3rd and 10+ than to have to clean up the WC's mess on 3rd and the concession stand...

 

[AdamD13]

Tough road early on.

Using QB rating against, Henne has faced 4 of the top-6 pass defenses in his first 5 starts:


1 New Orleans Saints 55.8
2 Buffalo Bills 59.7
3 New York Jets 65.4
4 Indianapolis Colts 70.1
5 Philadelphia Eagles 70.9
6 New England Patriots 75.0

Combined those defenses have posted a 61.8 QB Rating against.

Henne's QB rating over those 5 games? 83.6

Too early to proclaim Henne the next Marino or the next Joey Harrington....but the one thing you can say is he's faced some pretty stiff competition so far.

Just wondering if the 61.8 QB rating is inclusive of Henne's stats or not? If not, then the defenses QB rating would drop into the 50s when subtracting Henne's numbers...

 

[nopokerinoot]

those stats are kind of misleading. when thopse teams have played the dolphins they have been focused on stopping the run and henne hasnt done ****.