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feelthepain

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We seem to have some fans here that are sure Sabans the problem with this team, even though realistically it's only his second season. We've read people here trash his ability to caoch, draft, select assitant coaches, ect. I think many of us are upset with where this team is now and we have that right, although I try to avoid the site a few hours after a loss to prevent myself from saying things out of anger.

I will be very interested to see if Saban can adjust to what he's learning from one season to the next. We seem to have struck out for the most part with the choices in the secondary and to be more specific, Saftey. I hope whatever is going on with Jason Allen, time will fix, but Tilman and Hill flat out suck. Now lets consider what was avalible to Saban and what we could afford, before we trash Saban. You can't fix everything in two season and you can't buy a Porche on a yugo budget.

I think Our Oline has had injury issues and they are playing better, even with the injuries. I think Saban tries to improve the line this coming spring, but I'm not totally against this unit thus far, give them time to build some chemistry and get healthy.

Thus far our biggest problem has been WR. We have very little to talk about from this unit other then Wes. I love his heart and ability to get open when it's needed, but lets be honest he just isn't a legit one or two, however his value is beyond important. Marty is good, but we need more then just one or two games a season from our #2 guy we can do much much better. We need to replace him without question. Now Chris Chambers, I'm sorry guy's but Chris just isn't a number 1 WR.

I watched Hines Ward yesterday and he ran out of his shoe and battled all the way to the endzone, when have you ever seen Chambers do that??? I wanted so baldly to place Chambers up in the upper relm of WR's, but I just can't do it because he doesn't deserve it. If you want to be the best you take it, you don't wait for someone to give it to you. I was all for Chris and blaming his performances on the QB, but when is it going to be his fault?? I think this year is the year he needs to take the blame.

Now the rest of the D, we need another OLB with speed and the ability to make plays especially when he's blocked. Would anyone be upset if we drafted Posluszny next year with our first?? I wouldn't!! I think the way things are going well have a shot at him. We also need to upgrade the saftey position....badly. Our Dline IMO is the best unit on the field for us, deep and full of youth.

Basically we would be a different team if we had a speedy explosive OLB, hard hitting, fast and smart S, and a WR that is a legit #1. I think Sabans third season will be a sign of his ability to coach at this level.

1) His ability to adjust to what he's learned in his first two seasons.
Or in otherwords, his ability to add NFL players to the roster. Something he didn't have to do at the college level, not every player in college has to be top notch, but in the NFL they do.

2) The ability to tell the dience between FA that will succeed and ones that won't. I think by adding players like Joey and Will Allen, Sabans shown he does his homework, not every FA will succeed.

IMO those are the two most important improvements Saban needs to make. Overall we are about a 500. ballclub, even though our record doesn't show that. I think the adjustments made from last year to this year were to dramtic, that and our expectations were to high. I think Sabans ability, Philosphy, desire, work ethic and talent are more then enough to succeed in the NFL, he just needs to put it all together and only time will give him that chance.
 
Couldn't agree more, well said. I especially like what you said about Chambers and oh how true it is. I want so badly to place him in the upper echelon of WRs, but he doesn't have that killer, I'm better than you attitude. While I'm glad he seems to be a standup guy, I think it's necessary to have an attitude as a WR. You only get the ball maybe 6 times a game if your lucky and you have to believe that you will take it to the house every time. Chambers seems content to be what he is.

And most importantly it is way to early to condemn Saban or his draft picks. Saban is in his 2nd season; what would of happened if the Pats dumped Belicheck in his 2nd season? Before the 3 superbowls. And how do we label rookies and 2nd year players as busts? They are all young players learning the game still. Most players don't even make a difference their first year, and the ones who do, its not uncommon to see a sophmore slump. It's that 3rd year and beyond that you judge from. Then and only then, if a player is struggling can you call him a bust. Not after 20 or so games for someone like Brown.
 
Great post, man. I don't know how I feel about Chambers. I really want him to be among the best in the game, but he just doesn't perform in games. He is way too inconsistent.
 
Good..

Good coate of paint, that is. Adjusment, time, change..., etc ,etc ,etc bla bla bla. This is the NFL, not your mom house. You need to step up or shoot up. If you are incapable of running thing, we don't need 6 years of all that crap. He can go home and make his assigment and let somebody else do the job they are hire to do. If he make a mistake, that's not bad, what is bad is not to correct the danm mistake and let him keep calling 62 passing plays vs 18 running plays. If your mistake was to gave the #1 spot at wr to cc then ,don't let him be the #1 and gave it to the one who diserve it. If for you to make an adjusment take 3 or 4 years, then Saban looks like his is the one. I use to like Saban last year, cause he told everybody that the weren't in the team for next year, only the ones who diserve it.
 
aleta said:
Good coate of paint, that is. Adjusment, time, change..., etc ,etc ,etc bla bla bla. This is the NFL, not your mom house. You need to step up or shoot up. If you are incapable of running thing, we don't need 6 years of all that crap. He can go home and make his assigment and let somebody else do the job they are hire to do. If he make a mistake, that's not bad, what is bad is not to correct the danm mistake and let him keep calling 62 passing plays vs 18 running plays. If your mistake was to gave the #1 spot at wr to cc then ,don't let him be the #1 and gave it to the one who diserve it. If for you to make an adjusment take 3 or 4 years, then Saban looks like his is the one. I use to like Saban last year, cause he told everybody that the weren't in the team for next year, only the ones who diserve it.


Call it what you want, but DW didn't leave this team a SB contender. Especially on O. Saban has to build a winner if we are to be winners. You don't do that in a year and a half, especially a rookie HC. There are more things wrong with this team then can be fixed in a season and a half. Time is what it will take, wether you like it or not. We just have to deal with it. All the whining in the world won't fix things faster, it is what it is and it will take time to be, what was.
 
CC is not one of the best WR. He may be #15. He is a #1 though. He had 1100 yards last year. He is on pace for 684 this year. The dolphins simply aren't getting him the ball. Mularkey is to blame for that.

Ronnie Brown is 25th in Rushing Attempts. He is a big buy who needs lots of carries. Mularkey's fault again.

The dolphins are scoring 1.4 PPG in the first qtr... this is playcalling and game planning. It is down from 2.75 PPG last year. This is Mularkey's fault again.
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As for Saban, he's had 2 years to fix the o-line, and the best thing we have to show for it is RG LJ Shelton. The offense is practically untouched in 2 years. It was historically bad then. It is even worse now. This is Saban's fault. Hiring Mularkey was Saban's fault.

ps. Ronnie Brown was a good Saban addition on offense. But you can't fix a bad offense with one new player.
 
He is one of the top five coaches in the NFL, every single front office in this league has said so, i dont care if it takes five or ten years he will build a winner again here
 
Look..

Bonedoc7777 said:
He is one of the top five coaches in the NFL, every single front office in this league has said so, i dont care if it takes five or ten years he will build a winner again here

I'm not saying that Saban is bad, all i'm saying is that in this type of rebuilding he could make us loss in this bye weekend. That's all. GO DOLPHINS!!:mad: :dolphins:
 
aleta said:
I'm not saying that Saban is bad, all i'm saying is that in this type of rebuilding he could make us loss in this bye weekend. That's all. GO DOLPHINS!!:mad: :dolphins:

Hell, we will lose to the cheerleaders on bye week?????
 
Rich said:
CC is not one of the best WR. He may be #15. He is a #1 though. He had 1100 yards last year. He is on pace for 684 this year. The dolphins simply aren't getting him the ball. Mularkey is to blame for that.

Ronnie Brown is 25th in Rushing Attempts. He is a big buy who needs lots of carries. Mularkey's fault again.

The dolphins are scoring 1.4 PPG in the first qtr... this is playcalling and game planning. It is down from 2.75 PPG last year. This is Mularkey's fault again.
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As for Saban, he's had 2 years to fix the o-line, and the best thing we have to show for it is RG LJ Shelton. The offense is practically untouched in 2 years. It was historically bad then. It is even worse now. This is Saban's fault. Hiring Mularkey was Saban's fault.

ps. Ronnie Brown was a good Saban addition on offense. But you can't fix a bad offense with one new player.


7 dropped passes by WR's yesterday, yep all MM's fault. Since you're doling out blame, how bout credit for the 400 yards Joey threw for yesterday. Or are you here just to complain?? As for the Oline, 6 different injuries to the Oline this year and the multiple position changes??? I guess injuries don't matter either huh??? Do you understand the game of football??
 
feelthepain said:
7 dropped passes by WR's yesterday, yep all MM's fault. Since you're doling out blame, how bout credit for the 400 yards Joey threw for yesterday. Or are you here just to complain?? As for the Oline, 6 different injuries to the Oline this year and the multiple position changes??? I guess injuries don't matter either huh??? Do you understand the game of football??

That was awesome, the deal is that he threw 3 ints... and he seems to fall short of the endzone every time...
 
josekareh said:
That was awesome, the deal is that he threw 3 ints... and he seems to fall short of the endzone every time...

He actually threw one INT, the other two bounced off McMichaels hands. He seems to have people dropping passes every time.
 
He actually threw one INT, the other two bounced off McMichaels hands. He seems to have people dropping passes every time.

Exactly. Joey hasn't exactly been the 2nd coming of Marino, but he hasn't been our biggest problem either. The real problem is that we have been so inconsistent in SO many areas that we just can't sustain drives and score points.

Every week it's something different; receivers dropping passes, tipped balls for INTs, overthrown passes, fumbles, sacks... it's maddening because each player on offense has shown ability (at times ) to play at a level where we could win. But each player has also shown the prospensity to f%# up at
the most inopportune times.

I swear, all my hair is gonna turn grey and/or I'm going to have a heart attack before I turn 35, all because of the Dolphins. :(
 
When was the last time you saw a QB hit Chambers in stride?

I have seen him open chasing, jumping, reaching, divig for overthrown balls.

I have seen him twist back to come back for balls behind him.

I have seen him jump for high balls on the sidelines or back of the endzone and then stick his toes inbounds before falling out.

When was the last time you saw a QB hit him in stride? he has been open. He has made moves with the ball running that FRICKIN' reverse!, but he doesn't get many chances to run under a rainbow and take it down the sideline.

I think Sage was the only one I recall doing it.

You can't fairly evaluate a player who is under utilized by the OC and poorly worked with by the QB.
 
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