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Here's the real scoop on Manuel Wright.

ckparrothead said:
I think its pretty obvious that the Phins remained interested all along. If you'd use a pick on the guy, you're interested. There were a lot of teams that weren't interested in Wright AND did not bother to toss in a 5th round pick for him. You can't act like we're no different from any of them. We were the highest bidder. We were the team willing to pay the most for Manuel Wright's services. No team was willing to pay a higher price than Miami for Manuel Wright.

To try and pretend that Miami still wasn't interested in him even though we gave a 5th round pick for him, the idea that we just nonchalantly tossed out the pick even though we concluded he was a turd just because the value was there, that is absurd to me.

I went on record with an article stating that Miami should take a guarded approach to him. I said some glowing things about him, and then proceeded to rip him for like 3 pages of material. The fact that he ended up in Miami anyway despite me ripping him, I've got to take my licks on that. Just like Mr. Tessler here has to take his licks for saying the Dolphins left his workout early because they were not interested. It is FAR more likely that the Dolphins left his workout early because they had enough information, and because it could have an effect on other teams' willingness to draft Wright. Remember, Miami was the market maker on this one, being the most interested team among the teams guaranteed to pick in the top third of the supplemental draft. Miami walking out of his workout early in disgust as he showed up out of shape and worked poorly would possibly convince teams that were going to pay Par+1 for Wright in order to jump ahead of Miami, that Miami is no longer a threat.

Bottom line, at his workout a lot of us turned our head in disgust at Wright, but Miami did not.
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I'm not so sure we have to be so black and white on this thing. I don't think it was a question of like or didn't like. Were we sold on this guy as a future star? Obvously not, or we don't risk losing him. It seems more like the team is taking a flyer on the guy considering our need and the guy's potential. It is a cost vs. risk assesment that lands us at a 5th rounder.

Every guy is a gamble of some kind, and that's tha gamble we made. It's always going to be risk and cost, not like or not.
 
PhinKev said:
I'm not so sure we have to be so black and white on this thing. I don't think it was a question of like or didn't like. Were we sold on this guy as a future star? Obvously not, or we don't risk losing him. It seems more like the team is taking a flyer on the guy considering our need and the guy's potential. It is a cost vs. risk assesment that lands us at a 5th rounder.

Every guy is a gamble of some kind, and that's tha gamble we made. It's always going to be risk and cost, not like or not.
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But there's a difference between evaluating a guy's market price, and buying the guy. I can look at a flashlight that is on sale for $5.99 and say "Hey, that's a pretty good deal" but that doesn't mean I went and bought it just because it's a good deal.

Many teams out there evaluated that Manuel Wright was worth a 5th round pick, and that they weren't going to bid on him whether it was 5th round, 6th round, or 7th round.

Make no mistake. Miami bid a 5th round pick on him because they felt he was worth MORE than a 5th round pick.
 
ckparrothead said:
Make no mistake. Miami bid a 5th round pick on him because they felt he was worth MORE than a 5th round pick.
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or maybe they felt he was worth exactly a fifth round pick. Pointless banter aside, there is zero risk here. If he doesnt pan out, no harm done, this will be another good measure of sabans ability as a coach.

According to everyone this guy just needs someone to keep his head on straight, keep his confidence up, he has shown the ability to be successful. Manuel Wrights success will depend a lot on Nick Sabans ability to handle him.


The only reasons i would argue miami values him as more than a 5th round pick are the following:
a) hes in camp a year earlier than our 5th rounder next year would be
b) we don't know what the 5th round next year will hold, or where well be picking
c) the "experts" believed at one point he had top DT prospect potential
d) desperate need position for us

regardless, it was definitely worth taking a flyer on him in the 5th. If he pans out, were genius, if he doesnt, nobody outside of finheaven remembers or haprs on the fact that we "wasted" a fifth round pick on someone that didnt pan out, because it happens all the time.
 
ckparrothead said:
The fact that he ended up in Miami anyway despite me ripping him, I've got to take my licks on that. Just like Mr. Tessler here has to take his licks for saying the Dolphins left his workout early because they were not interested.
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I stand by what I said. When everybody was still talking about the Dolphins drafting him high, you were the first to find out that it wasn't going to happen. People were still writing as recently as 2 days ago that the Eagles were going to select him in the 2nd round. I couldn't tell you what the other 31 teams were going to do, but I told you exactly what the Dolphins would do (pass on him through 4 rounds).
 
Brett Tessler said:
I stand by what I said. When everybody was still talking about the Dolphins drafting him high, you were the first to find out that it wasn't going to happen. People were still writing as recently as 2 days ago that the Eagles were going to select him in the 2nd round. I couldn't tell you what the other 31 teams were going to do, but I told you exactly what the Dolphins would do (pass on him through 4 rounds).
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Yes, but you also said that the Dolphins were not interested in him period, and that is why they walked out early at his workout.

You can't just pick one statement out of the statements you made and say see, I told you. I could make contradicting statements all day, and then when one of them turns out true, I don't sit here and say "I stand by what I said"
 
ckparrothead said:
Yes, but you also said that the Dolphins were not interested in him period, and that is why they walked out early at his workout.

You can't just pick one statement out of the statements you made and say see, I told you. I could make contradicting statements all day, and then when one of them turns out true, I don't sit here and say "I stand by what I said"
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:shakeno:
 
stevec said:
Practice squad this year and ENFL next?
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No way man!


If we put Wright on the PS this year, then that means that somebody can sign him off of our PS to their roster. If he looks lost this year, then yes, ENFL could be a place where he should go to get some PT.
 
ckparrothead said:
Yes, but you also said that the Dolphins were not interested in him period, and that is why they walked out early at his workout.

You can't just pick one statement out of the statements you made and say see, I told you. I could make contradicting statements all day, and then when one of them turns out true, I don't sit here and say "I stand by what I said"
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Wow, you're really amazing. When are you going to get your own thread?
 
Brett Tessler said:
Wow, you're really amazing. When are you going to get your own thread?
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:lol: :rofl3:
 
Brett Tessler said:
His workout was a huge disappointment because he was so out of shape. The Dolphins were not impressed. They did not leave early just to make people think they're not interested... they're NOT interested. I heard that he's nowhere near ready to contribute, and he'll be a major project. That's not what the Dolphins need to invest a high pick in right now. I would be SHOCKED if the Fins selected him before the 4th round (if at all).

Just because he plays a highly coveted position and he does have potential, somebody might still take a shot at him in the 2nd or 3rd... But it won't be the Dolphins.
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They were NOT interested in paying a high pick.....they DIDN't select him before the fourth round.

Throwing a 5th rounder at him is just like saying, "We'll take him if he's still here but, if he's not, oh well...."

Which translates to not VERY interested.

So, I'd say you were pretty close to right on the money.
 
They were NOT interested in paying a high pick.....they DIDN't select him before the fourth round.

Throwing a 5th rounder at him is just like saying, "We'll take him if he's still here but, if he's not, oh well...."

Which translates to not VERY interested.

So, I'd say you were pretty close to right on the money.
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Going to have to disagree there. The Dolphins were willing to pay the highest price of anyone for Wright. That doesn't sound disinterested to me.
 
I'm sure Brett has gotten the point: if he wants to impress you, he'd better craft his message board posts to be much more specific. You're reading what he wrote one way (as did others), and a number of us read it a different way.

Is it really important enough to keep going on and on about it? I'm certainly not trying to stop board discourse, but is this really how little there is going on in Dolphin-land?
 
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